Might we unwittingly be perpetuating the worst case scenario

[Emmanuel]

Might we unwittingly be perpetuating the worst case scenario?

Yes. why? Because we have different aims and objectives and are often sidetracked by splintered arguments.

You could argue 9/11 was perhaps perpetuated by the nation of the USA itself. They consented to it by putting so much power and importance on the dollar bill.
maybe this is the only way of subverting NWO domination. by not consuming their products and working for their stupid slave companies. Im generalising if course

[Samantha J Fox]

[ian neal]

Some further reading for those interested in the related science

Quantum Jazz, The Tao of Biology What quantum coherence has to say about the organism, ethics, and ultimate reality Dr. Mae-Wan Ho, 2nd May 2007

Life & the Universe After the Copenhagen Interpretation The ultimate reality beyond the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics is also beyond ordinary physics. Dr. Mae-Wan Ho, 30th April 2007

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On a less scientific bent I found these 2 books to be interesting in that they reinforced a lot of what I intuitively believe. They are 'channelled material' so will in all likelihood be dismissed by those who are into more evidence based 'rational' explanations of what's going on

But for me part of their appeal is how their message (which is remarkably similar to many ancient belief systems and a 101 other 'new age' spiritual books I could mention) 'confirms' the thinking of systems thinkers and 'new sciences' as found in 'what the bleep' and many other sources.

1) Conversations with God

You can hear some of what NDW has to say here

PS Big Picture is a great resource of inspiring speakers

2) Matthew books

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Regardless of whether or not you buy into this type of stuff, an important issue is raised by this thread.

It is certainly my experience having attended events where these type of ideas are explored (such as bethechange in 2004 where 'what the bleep' received its UK premiere) that there is a resistence in 'new age' circles to look at conspiracy theories and 'the dark side'

Partly this is due to the general reluctance to be considered a 'conspiracy theorist'. But a big part is the belief that by 'giving our attention' to the dark fear driven agendas of the NWO psychos, we are empowering them and disempowering ourselves.

This is obviously not a view I hold but it is worth being aware of since it explains some of the resistence to '911 truth' in 'new agey/hippy' circles. A solution to this resistence would be to communicate why 911 truth is a transforming and empowering movement and not one driven by fear and irrational paranoia.

Perversely the same universal laws described books like CWG also suggest that what we continue to deny we actually attract towards us and at a common sense level we can see this to be true. If collectively we continue to deny that reality of that the world is run by war mongering psychos we will indeed allow them to perpetuate their wickedness.

Now where I have a lot of sympathy for David and others that dismiss this as new age mumbo-jumbo clap trap, is that discussion of these ideas should not come anywhere near a professional campaign for 911 truth

But then we all need to recognise that this forum is not representative of any campaign and the campaign site will only present hard evidence relating only to 9/11. Now where did I put my tin foil hat?

[ian neal]

Further examples of this mumbo jumbo in different fields

Systems thinking in spirituality and new sciences
Conscious evolution
Brian Godwin, From Control to Participation
Contributors to What the Bleep
Bethechange conferences

Systems thinking in natural sciences
Big picture clips on Interconnectedness, Elisabet Sahtouris, (2), Satish Kumar and of the lecturers at Schumacher College, Biomimicry,

Systems thinking in farming/energy
ISIS Dream Farm model, Permaculture models

Systems thinking in business and organisational learning
Frank Dixon, Total corporate responsibility, global system change, (2) and leading from Peter Senge’s Learning Organisations, CDRA’s writings on NGOs as learning organisations and Capacity building – shifting the paradigms of practice.

The way I look at it, all these writers are saying very similar things but from different perspectives. This book is very good. The only thing it stops short of is calling the system it describes as a global monetocracy as a conspiracy but it comes pretty close and I like the 'solutions' it proposes