The problem and the solution?

[Craig W]

The problem:

www.moneyasdebt.net

Link


The solution:

PEOPLE FOR MATHEMATICALLY PERFECTED ECONOMY
www.perfecteconomy.com

[ian neal]

The biggest lie we were ever sold is 'there isn't enough': as in there isn't enough stuff, enough love, enough money to go round, so we have to fight for it, dog eat dog, survival of the fittest all that bs. So much stems from this lie: the rat race, consumerism, wars, etc. The truth is there is more than enough for everyone's need but obviously not for everyone's greed

If we want a conspiracy we need look no further than global poverty. The world didn't end up by accident with the bottom 60% sharing just 6% of the global income while the top 20% get over 85% and controlling the supply of debt based money is the primary tool of the money masters (or money changers as someone onmce called them) to keep us money slaves. But the thing that keeps us enslaved to money most is our collective ignorance and mentality of fear[/img]

[Craig W]

Please help. I am confused.

Can anyone shed any light on the banking stuff covered in the "Money as Debt" film (posted above) or the usual questions about the Federal Reserve?

Many "conspiracy theorists" (burn them!), libertarians (Ron Paul, etc) and others think that there is something fundamentally flawed and/or immoral and/or criminal about the current state of banking and money creation.

But others say that that the arguments are unfounded and it's alls just paranoid hogwash from people who don't understand how fractional reserve debt-based banking works.

My brain hurts when I try to think about this stuff. Can anyone shed any light on it all?

How are we to know whether banking is at the very core of the world's problems, as some suggest, or an inoccuous red herring as others indicate? Is this one of those annoying areas of research destined to remain forever unclear?

A few interesting links:
http://goldismoney.info/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56
(an interesting thread on a useful forum)

www.andygause.com
(a currency historian who answers some basic questions about money and the Fed)
His site includes this summary of the Fed's ownership:

[hoagy]

[kbo234]

Craig W,

Watch the Moneymasters, parts 1 and 2. This brilliant documentary is 3 hrs 20 minutes long but the most mind-boggling, eye-opening thing I have ever seen......The money creation system IS our major problem.

The cabal who control money creation have expanded their powers by creating wars, financing both sides and then 'saving' both sides (by now on their knees) after the conflict. Both sides now being in debt to the bankers' are thus controlled by them.

Britain was on its knees in 1946/47. This is when parliament effectively presided over the dismantling of the British Empire.......not necessarily in every way a bad thing....but the bankers control most of the earth now and are pushing hard towards the creation of a one-world government.

Gordon Brown certainly talks as if he is 'onside' for this project.

The corporate/banking/oligarchical/masonic cabal, whoever they actually are.....are certainly the major political force on earth and are also surely the shadowy power behind the 9/11 outrage.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1583154561904832383&q=money masters

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-529716659023952808&q=moneym asters

Does this film make the issues any clearer Craig? Let us know.

[kbo234]

Craig W,

Watch the Moneymasters, parts 1 and 2. This brilliant documentary is 3 hrs 20 minutes long but the most mind-boggling, eye-opening thing I have ever seen......The money creation system IS our major problem.

The cabal who control money creation have expanded their powers by creating wars, financing both sides and then 'saving' both sides (by now on their knees) after the conflict. Both sides now being in debt to the bankers' are thus controlled by them.

Britain was on its knees in 1946/47. This is when parliament effectively presided over the dismantling of the British Empire.......not necessarily in every way a bad thing....but the bankers control most of the earth now and are pushing hard towards the creation of a one-world government.

Gordon Brown certainly talks as if he is 'onside' for this project.

The corporate/banking/oligarchical/masonic cabal, whoever they actually are.....are certainly the major political force on earth and are also surely the shadowy power behind the 9/11 outrage.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1583154561904832383&q=money masters

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-529716659023952808&q=moneym asters

Does this film make the issues any clearer Craig? Let us know.

[rodin]

[Craig W]

Thanks, chaps.

I have seen money masters and it is good.

What I am trying to get at is, has the economics of this stuff been confirmed as true by any economists? I know, if it is true, most will likely have been trained deliberately to miss the trick. But I am not personally confident enough of my economics abilities to confirm the truth of the situation as described by these and other sources.

The problems with our current banking system seem to be:

- the issuing of money as debt
- fractional reserve banking
- interest

Now what I am trying to find out is are these really theproblems some make them out to be? If these theories hodl water then presumably economists would confirm them...? Have any done so? Is anyone here qualified enought to do so?

[kbo234]

[kbo234]