Was London bomber working for MI6

[Wokeman]

This comes from Faux, er, sorry, Fox News, but still interesting.


WAS "777 MASTERMIND" ASWAT "WORKING FOR BRITISH INTELLIGENCE" ??

Posted By: FarSight3 <Send E-Mail>
Date: Monday, 1 August 2005, 7:28 a.m.

In Response To: LONDON, BREAKING: TUBE STATIONS EVACUATED BEC.OF"SMOKE" (FarSight3)

John Loftus and Mansoor Ijaz came up with "surprising informations" about the mastermind - allegedly Haroon Rashid Aswat as I reported about the case - behind the London bombings. See this transcript from Dayside/FOX with Linda Vester, July 29 2005 and be sure to read my analysis at the end:

MIKE JERRICK [FOX NEWS]: John Loftus is a terrorism expert and a former prosecutor for the Justice Department. John, good to see you again. So real quickly here, have you heard anything about this Osman Hussain who was just picked up in Rome? You know that name at all?

JOHN LOFTUS: Yeah, all these guys should be going back to an organization called Al-Muhajiroun, which means The Emigrants. It was the recruiting arm of Al-Qaeda in London; they specialized in recruiting kids whose families had emigrated to Britain but who had British passports. And they would use them for terrorist work.

JERRICK: So a couple of them now have Somali connections?

LOFTUS: Yeah, it was not unusual. Somalia, Eritrea, the first group of course were primarily Pakistani. But what they had in common was they were all emigrant groups in Britain, recruited by this Al-Muhajiroun group. They were headed by the, Captain Hook, the imam in London the Finsbury Mosque, without the arm. He was the head of that organization. Now his assistant was a guy named Aswat, Haroon Rashid Aswat.

JERRICK: Aswat, who they picked up.

LOFTUS: Right, Aswat is believed to be the mastermind of all the bombings in London.

JERRICK: On 7/7 and 7/21, this is the guy we think.

LOFTUS: This is the guy, and what's really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him. And this has been a real source of contention between the CIA, the Justice Department, and Britain.

JERRICK: MI6 has been hiding him. Are you saying that he has been working for them?

LOFTUS: Oh I'm not saying it. This is what the Muslim sheik said in an interview in a British newspaper back in 2001.

JERRICK: So he's a double agent, or was?

LOFTUS: He's a double agent.

JERRICK: So he's working for the Brits to try to give them information about Al-Qaeda, but in reality he's still an Al-Qaeda operative.

LOFTUS: Yeah. The CIA and the Israelis all accused MI 6 of letting all these terrorists live in London not because they're getting Al-Qaeda information, but for appeasement. It was one of those you leave us alone, we leave you alone kind of things.

JERRICK: Well we left him alone too long then.

LOFTUS: Absolutely. Now we knew about this guy Aswat. Back in 1999 he came to America. The Justice Department wanted to indict him in Seattle because him and his buddy were trying to set up a terrorist training school in Oregon.

JERRICK: So they indicted his buddy, right? But why didn't they indict him?

LOFTUS: Well it comes out, we've just learned that the headquarters of the US Justice Department ordered the Seattle prosecutors not to touch Aswat.

JERRICK: Hello? Now hold on, why?

LOFTUS: Well, apparently Aswat was working for British intelligence. Now Aswat's boss, the one-armed Captain Hook, he gets indicted two years later. So the guy above him and below him get indicted, but not Aswat. Now there's a split of opinion within US intelligence. Some people say that the British intelligence fibbed to us. They told us that Aswat was dead, and that's why the New York group dropped the case. That's not what most of the Justice Department thinks. They think that it was just again covering up for this very publicly affiliated guy with Al-Muhajiroun. He was a British intelligence plant. So all of a sudden he disappears. He's in South Africa. We think he's dead; we don't know he's down there. Last month the South African Secret Service come across the guy. He's alive.

JERRICK: Yeah, now the CIA says, oh he's alive. Our CIA says OK let's arrest him. But the Brits say no again?

LOTFUS: The Brits say no. Now at this point, two weeks ago, the Brits know that the CIA wants to get a hold of Haroon. So what happens? He takes off again, goes right to London. He isn't arrested when he lands, he isn't arrested when he leaves.

JERRICK: Even though he's on a watch list.

LOFTUS: He's on the watch list.The only reason he could get away with that was if he was working for British intelligence. He was a wanted man.

JERRICK: And then takes off the day before the bombings, I understand it--

LOFTUS: And goes to Pakistan.

JERRICK: And Pakistan, they jail him.

LOFTUS: The Pakistanis arrest him. They jail him. He's released within 24 hours. Back to Southern Africa, goes to Zimbabwe and is arrested in Zambia. Now the US--

JERRICK: Trying to get across the--

LOFTUS: --we're trying to get our hands on this guy.

JERRICK: John, hang around. I have so many questions now.

LOFTUS: Oh, this is a bad one....

[commercial break]

JERRICK: On the phone with us, Mansoor Ijaz; Mansoor you know very well here at Fox News Channel and Dayside. Mansoor, real quickly here, you spent so much time in London, you're probably not that as impressed as I am about how fast Scotland Yard has worked on this case. So impressive, so successful. Why?

MANSOOR IJAZ: Well there are two things that a lot of domestic intelligence agencies don't around the world. One is an extraordinarily detailed database of information, and that database is buttressed by the fact that they have these photos, the graphic images of the faces of the people that they were looking for. So it saved them a lot of time when they got the forensic evidence, like fingerprints or other things that indicated where they could actually go find these people. Because remember, there was a lot of data left on the stuff these guys left behind from the failed bombing attack, and that's what helped to really unravel the cell. Now--

JERRICK: I guess--go ahead, Mansoor.

IJAZ: Now I think there's one very important thing that I think everybody needs to know. And that is that the cellular structure that this new breed of Al-Qaeda people have is such that there is not a clear indication that they all knew each other as much as it is that they had some sort of central control still sitting outside of the framework. Whether that's in a foreign country or a place that is removed from Britain and other place in Europe, that's what we're still looking for. But it's very clear now that these cellular structures were operating independent of each other, but with knowledge that something else was in fact planned in the pipeline.

JERRICK: Real quick, Mansoor. In that regard, maybe a ringleader could be this Haroon Aswat. What do you know about him?

IJAZ: Well, he's a pretty bad guy, and I think your previous guest gave the best assessment of who he is. He's the right hand man of the Al-Muhajiroun leader in London, and has been organizing and planning for some time. And I don't want to minimize the effect of the arrest in Rome, because what that indicates is that the cellular structure is elsewhere and we all know that Italy is a big target on their list.

JERRICK: OK, speaking of him, back to the comments by our John Loftus a little while ago. A question from the audience for you, John. Go ahead.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi Mr Loftus. I recently read a book by Morris Dees called The Gathering Storm , and it talks about extremist militia groups in the United States and how they might be manipulated by some people's rhetoric, very similar to Aswat in London. What do you think the US is doing to prevent terrorist attacks on our own soil that happen--

JERRICK: You're worried about it here?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes, sir.

LOFTUS: The US government's doing a great job. We arrested the New York branch of Al-Muhajiroun two years ago. We found the subway bombers with the plans to blow up two different subway stations in New York City. The rest of the group is under surveillance. But the US was used by Al-Muhajiroun for training of people to send to Kosovo. What ties all these cells together was, back in the late 1990s, the leaders all worked for British intelligence in Kosovo. Believe it or not, British intelligence actually hired some Al-Qaeda guys to help defend the Muslim rights in Albania and in Kosovo. That's when Al-Muhajiroun got started.

IJAZ: Which is by the way why we know so much about them right now.

LOFTUS: Yes, I'm afraid so. The CIA was funding the operation to defend the Muslims, British intelligence was doing the hiring and recruiting. Now we have a lot of detail on this because Captain Hook, the head of Al-Muhajiroun, he sidekick was Bakri Mohammed, another cleric. And back on October 16, 2001, he gave a detailed interview with al-Sharq al-Aswat, an Arabic newspaper in London, describing the relationship between British intelligence and the operations in Kosovo and Al-Muhajiroun. So that's how we get all these guys connected. It started in Kosovo, Haroon was 31 years old, he came on about 1995.

JERRICK: OK. Here's another question for you.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hello, John. With the quid-pro-quo relationship that London obviously had with these terrorists early on, what changed that caused them to all of a sudden get away from the you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone situation?

LOFTUS: The Israelis say that the truce went on for years. Guys from Al-Muhajiroun for example would bring suicide bombers to Israel to blow up Mike's Place. There was a definite link there. And yet the trainer, Sadiki Al Kahn, was able to go back to Britain and not be touched. What the Israelis believe happened is that Usama Bin Laden got desperate, and he said burn all our bridges--let's turn on the British. Break the truce, start the bombs.

JERRICK: Speaking of Usama Bin Laden, Mansoor, real quickly, maybe Scotland Yard and those folks over there, the Brits, should be looking for Usama Bin Laden. They seem to be so successful.

LOFTUS: The British police do a remarkable job.

IJAZ: Well, that's an interesting comment. The fact of the matter is, when you're dealing with it in your own backyard, and you have the computer infrastructure set up in such a way that you can immediately track these kinds of things that are in your backyard, it's a very different game from tracking them on places where we don't even have mountain maps any more of how the whole thing looks. So that's really what the fundamental problem is. If you'll permit me, I just want to, Mike, make one other very quick point.

JERRICK: Mansoor, can you hang over, do you have time hang over for a 30-second break here? John Loftus, got to cut you loose but thanks for the info. Boy, interesting stuff John...

[commercial break]

JERRICK: We have some more information from our Mansoor Ijaz, Fox News Foreign Affairs Analyst. Mansoor, still on the phone with me?

IJAZ: Yeah, I'm here with you Mike.

JERRICK: Talk about your information from British intel.

IJAZ: Well, let's not characterize the sources quite that way, but I've talked to some people who are analyzing what came out of the raids today, and there's a great deal of concern about the fact that there may be in fact a desire of these cells to move beyond transit systems as the target. And what specifically they found was evidence that indicates they're looking at now places where there are large collections of people, where they can actually take shopping bags and other large carrying bags of sorts without raising a lot of suspicion. Obviously shopping malls come immediately to mind, but it's important for everybody to know that London was planning on having a large I think it's a City Fair or something like that, I don't know what exactly it's called. They've now decided to go ahead with that, but it's obviously going to be much more scrutinized than it would have been before. Now London doesn't in general have a lot of large shopping malls, but they do have large concentrations of people in places at certain times during the week, and that's what apparently now has become the target, one of the new targets of these terrorist cells.

JERRICK: So Mansoor, when you hear that we have four for four, or four for five of these 7/21 bombers, nobody should fool themselves. This thing isn't over.

IJAZ: That is precisely the point I wanted to make sure everybody understood--that the authorities, the people that are worried about this and that are analyzing the data out of what they're getting in these raids, are basically saying we may have just hit the tip of the iceberg. This is not over by a long shot.

JERRICK: Mansoor, thank you for making that perfectly clear. Talk to you soon.

OK. I bolded what I think is the meat. We have a clear statement from two sides (BRITS, US) who both declare that Aswan IS an "agent provocateur - a "mule". Although the US-Admin is trying to point with their finger towards London´s MI6 it is rather clear that certain factions in BOTH ADMINISTRATIONS are working hand in hand.

Interesting as well the "omission" of Israel's role in this cherade except this mentioning of "Mike's Place", where British citizens have been found (One dead by bomb, the other washed "ashore" after he ran away) as culprits.

No mentioning what was going on with Nethanyaho and Giuliani who should be at the same Hotel at the same time on 777. No mentioning of the "terminated" Brazilian, de Menezes ( Was he a "mole" as well or a witness? ) as well. Meanwhile it was confirmed that Menezes had been killed "by assistance of SAS who were on place at the Stockwell Underground station in south London - officially for providing "technical assistance". Wonder what this "assistance" looks like. Who was the joint operation leader of SAS and Met police in this PsyOps?

Developing and revealing!
Why? Therefore:

THE IMPORTANCE OF REVEALING LONDON'S 'ERROR-ATTACKS....
FarSight3 -- Monday, 18 July 2005, 12:56 p.m.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=75169

It has taken three cities (911, 311, 777) with innocent victims and still no OFFICIAL TRUTH out. The chances never have been that good to rip away the veil that has been put by the ptbs on various "Services" and "higher echolons".

We only can stop this ongoing "War on Error" if we are able to see through to the real "MASTERMINDS" who are by no means "Muslims" alone

[Akbal13]

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO2005080 1&articleId=782

London 7/7 Terror Suspect Linked to British Intelligence?

by Michel Chossudovsky

August 1, 2005
GlobalResearch.ca


A British citizen named Haroon Rashid Aswat, living in Lusaka, Zambia is wanted for questioning in relation to the 7/7 London bomb attacks.

Haroon Rashid Aswat comes from the same town in West Yorkshire, Dewsbury, where three of the alleged bombers lived. "He is suspected of visiting the bombers in the weeks before the attacks." (New Republic, 8 August 2005).

"Scotland Yard declined to shed any light on claims Mr Aswat was the possible mastermind of the July 7 attacks."

Haroon Rachid Aswat is said to have played a central role in the London attacks:

"Cell phone records show around 20 calls between him and the 7/7 gang, leading right up to those attacks, which were exactly three weeks ago." (Fox News, 28 July 2005)

Links to British Intelligence?

The same source (Fox News) which presents Aswat as the "mastermind", also points to Aswat's relationship to British and US intelligence, through a British based Islamic organization Al-Muhajiroun.

In an interview with Fox News (29 July 2005), intelligence expert John Loftus revealed that Haroon Rashid Aswat had connections to the British Secret Service MI-6 (emphasis added): "the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI-6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him... "

The Loftus interview suggests that the suspect was being used either as an informer or a "double agent":

MIKE JERRICK [FOX NEWS]: John Loftus is a terrorism expert and a former prosecutor for the Justice Department. John, good to see you again. So real quickly here, have you heard anything about this Osman Hussain who was just picked up in Rome? You know that name at all?

JOHN LOFTUS: Yeah, all these guys should be going back to an organization called Al-Muhajiroun, which means The Emigrants. It was the recruiting arm of Al-Qaeda in London; they specialized in recruiting kids whose families had emigrated to Britain but who had British passports. And they would use them for terrorist work.

JERRICK: So a couple of them now have Somali connections?

LOFTUS: Yeah, it was not unusual. Somalia, Eritrea, the first group of course were primarily Pakistani. But what they had in common was they were all emigrant groups in Britain, recruited by this Al-Muhajiroun group. They were headed by the, Captain Hook, the imam in London the Finsbury Mosque, without the arm. He was the head of that organization. Now his assistant was a guy named Aswat, Haroon Rashid Aswat.

JERRICK: Aswat, who they picked up.

LOFTUS: Right, Aswat is believed to be the mastermind of all the bombings in London.

JERRICK: On 7/7 and 7/21, this is the guy we think.

LOFTUS: This is the guy, and what's really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him. And this has been a real source of contention between the CIA, the Justice Department, and Britain.

JERRICK: MI6 has been hiding him. Are you saying that he has been working for them?

LOFTUS: Oh I'm not saying it. This is what the Muslim sheik said in an interview in a British newspaper back in 2001.

JERRICK: So he's a double agent, or was?

LOFTUS: He's a double agent.

JERRICK: So he's working for the Brits to try to give them information about Al-Qaeda, but in reality he's still an Al-Qaeda operative.

LOFTUS: Yeah. The CIA and the Israelis all accused MI 6 of letting all these terrorists live in London not because they're getting Al-Qaeda information, but for appeasement. It was one of those you leave us alone, we leave you alone kind of things.

JERRICK: Well we left him alone too long then.

LOFTUS: Absolutely. Now we knew about this guy Aswat. Back in 1999 he came to America. The Justice Department wanted to indict him in Seattle because him and his buddy were trying to set up a terrorist training school in Oregon.

JERRICK: So they indicted his buddy, right? But why didn't they indict him?

LOFTUS: Well it comes out, we've just learned that the headquarters of the US Justice Department ordered the Seattle prosecutors not to touch Aswat.

JERRICK: Hello? Now hold on, why?

LOFTUS: Well, apparently Aswat was working for British intelligence. Now Aswat's boss, the one-armed Captain Hook, he gets indicted two years later. So the guy above him and below him get indicted, but not Aswat. Now there's a split of opinion within US intelligence. Some people say that the British intelligence fibbed to us. They told us that Aswat was dead, and that's why the New York group dropped the case. That's not what most of the Justice Department thinks. They think that it was just again covering up for this very publicly affiliated guy with Al-Muhajiroun. He was a British intelligence plant. So all of a sudden he disappears. He's in South Africa. We think he's dead; we don't know he's down there. Last month the South African Secret Service come across the guy. He's alive.

JERRICK: Yeah, now the CIA says, oh he's alive. Our CIA says OK let's arrest him. But the Brits say no again?

LOTFUS: The Brits say no. Now at this point, two weeks ago, the Brits know that the CIA wants to get a hold of Haroon. So what happens? He takes off again, goes right to London. He isn't arrested when he lands, he isn't arrested when he leaves.

JERRICK: Even though he's on a watch list.

LOFTUS: He's on the watch list.The only reason he could get away with that was if he was working for British intelligence. He was a wanted man.

JERRICK: And then takes off the day before the bombings, I understand it--

LOFTUS: And goes to Pakistan.

JERRICK: And Pakistan, they jail him.

LOFTUS: The Pakistanis arrest him. They jail him. He's released within 24 hours. Back to Southern Africa, goes to Zimbabwe and is arrested in Zambia. Now the US--

JERRICK: Trying to get across the--

LOFTUS: --we're trying to get our hands on this guy.

JERRICK: John, hang around. I have so many questions now.

LOFTUS: Oh, this is a bad one....

(Fox News, 29 July 2005, emphasis added)

The interview conveys the impression that there were "disagreements" between American, British and Israeli intelligence officials on how to handle the matter. It also suggests that "the Brits" might have misled their US intelligence counterpart.

More substantively, what this interview reveals is something which news coverage on the London 7/7 attacks has carefully ignored, namely the longstanding relationship of Western intelligence agencies to a number of Islamic organizations. In this specific case we are dealing with a British based organization Al-Muhajiroun.

Amply confirmed by official documents, Al Qaeda was a creation of the US intelligence apparatus. Both the CIA and its British counterpart MI-6 are known to have links to Al Qaeda operatives.

The Kosovo Connection

In the Balkans in the 1990s, both US, British and German intelligence (BND) were involved in training the Kosocvo Liberation Army (KLA), which was also being supported by Al Qaeda.

Mujahideen mercenaries from the Middle East and Central Asia were recruited to fight in the ranks of the KLA in 1998-99, largely supporting NATO's war effort.

According to a report published in 1999, the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) had approached MI-6 to arrange a training program for the KLA:

"MI-6 then sub-contracted the operation to two British security companies, who in turn approached a number of former members of the (22 SAS) regiment. Lists were then drawn up of weapons and equipment needed by the KLA." While these covert operations were continuing, serving members of 22 SAS Regiment, mostly from the unit's D Squadron, were first deployed in Kosovo before the beginning of the bombing campaign in March [1999].(The Scotsman, Edinburgh, 29 August 1999).

While British SAS Special Forces in bases in Northern Albania were training the KLA, military instructors from Turkey and Afghanistan, financed by the "Islamic jihad", were collaborating in training the KLA in guerrilla and diversion tactics .("Kosovo in Crisis", http://www.truthinmedia.org/, 2 April 1999)."Bin Laden had visited Albania himself. He was one of several fundamentalist groups that had sent units to fight in Kosovo.… Bin Laden is believed to have established an operation in Albania in 1994. ( Sunday Times, 29 Nov 1998)

Haroon Rachid Aswat belonged to Al Muhajiroun, which was involved in the recruitment of Mujahideen in Britain. The latter were also sent to Kosovo to fight in the KLA in support of the NATO-US led war: .

LOFTUS: .....But the US was used by Al-Muhajiroun for training of people to send to Kosovo. What ties all these cells together was, back in the late 1990s, the leaders all worked for British intelligence in Kosovo. Believe it or not, British intelligence actually hired some Al-Qaeda guys to help defend the Muslim rights in Albania and in Kosovo. That's when Al-Muhajiroun got started.

IJAZ: Which is by the way why we know so much about them right now.

LOFTUS: Yes, I'm afraid so. The CIA was funding the operation to defend the Muslims, British intelligence was doing the hiring and recruiting. Now we have a lot of detail on this because Captain Hook, the head of Al-Muhajiroun, he sidekick was Bakri Mohammed, another cleric. And back on October 16, 2001, he gave a detailed interview with al-Sharq al-Aswat, an Arabic newspaper in London, describing the relationship between British intelligence and the operations in Kosovo and Al-Muhajiroun. So that's how we get all these guys connected. It started in Kosovo, Haroon was 31 years old, he came on about 1995.

The Pakistan Connection
In the last couple of weeks, the London 7/7 police investigation has focussed on a "Pakistani connection": the alleged British bombers are said to have visited Pakistan. While in Pakistan, they allegedly had contacts with several Islamic organizations, including a madrassa (coranic school) controlled by Islamic fundamentalists. They allegedly also had contacts with the two main Kashmir rebel groups Jaish-e-Mohammed and Lashkar-e-Toiba. Two of the British bombers, Khan and Tanweer, were allegedly "associated with Jaish -e-Mohammed or one of its splinter groups" (India Today, 1 August 2005):

"In Pakistan, [British] police are painstakingly analyzing the mobile phone records of the two 7/7 suspects who visited the country. While officials stress that it is a tedious process, it has already yielded the name of at least one significant suspect: Masoud Azhar, leader of the Jaish -e-Mohammed (Army of Mohammed). (Christian Science Monitor, 1 August, 2005).

Both Jaish and Lashkar are said to have links to Al Qaeda.

The Role Of Pakistan's Military Intelligence

In their endeavours to uncover these various links to Pakistan based terrorist organizations, British police investigators sought the collaboration of Pakistan's Military Intelligence (ISI).

While collaborating in the British investigation, Pakistan's Military Intelligence is known to have actively supported and financed the Kasmir rebel groups, which allegedly had contacts with the London bombers.

The ISI was instrumental in the creation of the militant Jammu and Kashmir Hizbul Mujahideen (JKHM) in the late 1980s. (See K. Subrahmanyam, "Pakistan is Pursuing Asian Goals", India Abroad, 3 November 1995). It has also supported the other two main Pakistan-based Kashmir rebel groups, Lashkar-e-Taiba, (Army of the Pure) and Jaish-e-Muhammad (Army of Mohammed), which claimed responsibility for the attacks on the Indian parliament in October 2001.

See Council on Foreign Relations, "Terrorism: Questions and Answers, Harakat ul-Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Muhammad", http://www.terrorismanswers.com/groups/harakat2.html , Washington 2002.)

Moreover, according to intelligence sources and the FBI, the ISI also provided support to the alleged 9/11 hijackers.
(See http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html )

Concluding remarks

The Fox News report raises some very serious considerations.

Haroon Rachid Aswat was reportedly in London for two weeks before the July 7 attacks, "fleeing just before the explosions".

If Haroon Rashid Aswat had been working for MI-6, as suggested by intelligence analyst John Loftus, his movements and whereabouts, including his contacts with the alleged Yorkshire bombers, might have been known to British intelligence.

The nature of Haroon Rachid Aswat's links to Western intelligence agencies inevitably has a bearing on the conduct of the police investigation.

The broader role of Al-Muhajiroun since its creation in the 1990s, as well as its alleged links to MI-6 requires careful review.

Pakistan's ISI should not, for obvious reasons, be involved in the police investigation. In fact, Pakistan's ISI should be the object of the investigation in view of its documented links to the terror network, including Al Qaeda.

More generally, the intelligence agencies including M-I6 should not be involved in the police investigation.

An independent public inquiry should be launched as demanded by the Conservative opposition.


Michel Chossudovsky is Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG). He is a contributor to the Encyclopaedia Britannica and is the author of America's "War on Terrorism" , Second Edition, 2005, forthcoming.

[Memory Dump]

Hi.
I am new to this forum, so thank you to the administrators and moderators for letting me join.
I hope to contribute to routing out truth in anyway i can.

Being anti-Fox News, i tend just to skip over their main headliners as i can guess what side of their reporting they are going to fall on! But on this particular occasion i was intrigued what John Loftus had to say about the London bombings , particularly the links between Aswat and MI6. I downloaded the whole Fox-Loftus newsbite interview before they took it down! If anyone would like to have a copy of the interview please leave a message for me. I will gladly forward the file to the owners of this forum if they do not have it already.

Regards
Memory Dump.

[Hazzard]

Man the Hegelian dialect bites . These peopel are sick.

[ian neal]

Interesting development

I had been about to remind people that this question is one area where Rachel North and many here have common ground in that she had asked just these questions in her blog here

But it seems she has changed her mind and decided that these questions are no longer worthy of her blog. Rachel if you are reading, may I ask why you decided to delete that particular post? Too hot?

Unfortunately I'm not as anal as some and I don't have a copy of the blog but I did capture this quote from it where Rachel asks

"Is Haroon Aswat, now apparently extradited to the U.S really an UK intelligence service asset, as reported by some sources ? (or even a double agent?)"

If any of you trainspotters (in the nicest possible way) who follow Rachel's postings closely have a copy of this particular blog I would like to receive a copy

If people would rather see the original fox footage see here

He raises similar questions to Michael Meacher

For those working for a public inquiry in to July 7 who want to see the difficult questions asked, this is the place to start in my opinion (as opposed to questions around CCTV photos or Peter Power 'terror drills')

Thanks Ian

[Sinclair]

[Prole]

Hi Ian

Trainspotter here!

[ian neal]

Nice one

You don't have a version with the original links included do you?

[Rachel]

It's been taken down & saved to draft to avoid contempt of court, and if you want to keep your site up, you'd better take it down as well.

I'll be kicking off again big style when the trial is over, but I strongly advise you not to make the connections I have been making since Feb whilst the matter is sub judice.

Much as I dislike many of you, and much as I am * off with the security services there is no good to be had from prejudicing an enormously important terrorism trial at the Old bailey before the verdict has ben reached.

[alkmyst]

Rachel wrote:

[ian neal]

Thanks for the explanation Rachel

Whilst I understand your 'dislike' for those here who question whether you are what you say you are with what I acknowledge to be evidence free and offensive accusations of liar, shill, etc. I hope you will also recognise there are many who don't support such accusations and who have common interest in these type of questions.

I have to work now and so can't deal with whether as a site this info needs to be removed until tomorrow. If it is urgent to remove it can I suggest PMing JHR or Superadmin

[Ally]

Ian, why are you more concerned with people calling Rachel a liar than people calling Khan a murderer?

[numeral]

Rachel was quoted as wrting:
"But now we're told that the London bombs were made with TATP"

We are not told this in the official narrative. It does not identify the type of explosives used.

[Rachel]

The 7/7 - Crevice link is definitley contempt at the moment.

I strongly advise you to hang fire. I am not joking, and much as the whole UK media would like to talk about it, anything published on the subject in the UK is liable for contempt. US Newsweek got away with it , but you can't say it here yet, whilst there is a jury trial going on.

Right, I've warned you, and I won't be upset if your site gets closed down, frankly. Your exoneration of murders is pretty hard to stomach.

By the way, I and over 100 survivors spent 2.5 hours questioning Ms. Jowell and two of the DCIs in charge of OPeration Thesis on Tuesday

The reason they have not released more images of the 4 bombers ( who were seen 'hugging, even euphoric' before their suicide mission is at the request of the bereaved families who have begged them not to.

Do you understand this? It's not about gratifying your paraniod fantasises and answering your questions.

It's a game to you. It's viciously painful to other people. I understand from the police that conspiracy theorist s have been pestering the police and unforgivably, some of the bereaved families.

This is beneath contempt, appalling and unforgivable as far as i am concerned. And there is no doubt in my mind - nor in the minds of any of the hundreds of survivors nor any of the injured or bereaved that I have ever met or spoken to or emailed, nor in the minds of any of the police officers including the head of the forensic operation, nor the fire officers who were on the scene, and saw dreadful things, nor the LU staff who saw the remains - that we are dealing with 4 suicide bombers.

What will it take to stop your lies?

When will you stop apologising for mass murderers?

[Ally]

When will you keep your word and buzzz offf?

Did you see Khan's dad on newsnight last week, saying his son was innocent? You should watch that poisonous tongue otherwise it's you who will be facing serious litigation charges.

[Rachel]

I don't think so Ally.

You are the liar.

Khan, Tanweer, Hussain and Lindsey killed themselves and 52 others last summer on July 7th and injured 700 more and psychologically injured even more than that.

And you, who deny this, are either wicked or malicious or deluded.

And as some bereaved families are currently preparing to sue, I'd watch it if I were you.

And I'm off, I have merely come on here to cover my back, as this forum has put up a post I've been advised to take down, to aviod contempt of court. I've warned you , twice, if your mass-murderer-exonerating delusional site gets canned I'll be bloody pleased, but I don't want my ex-post to be linked to the sorry saga.

[Prole]

[Ally]

[Ally]

[numeral]

Rachel was also quoted as saying:

"Several kilos of acetone peroxide, an ingredient for explosives were found at el-Nasharan's flat near the bomb factory."

Strictly, acetone peroxide is the explosive, also known as tricyclic acetone peroxide (TCAP) or triacetone triperoxide (TATP). Acetone and hydrogen peroxide are ingredients. These are not named in the official narrative:

[Prole]

[catfish]

I posted this previously on alex cox's forum:

"I was always led to believe that in this country people where innocent until they are proven guilty, but perhaps I was living under a misapprehension. Apologies in advance for any spelling mistakes."

[Rachel]

Innocent until proven guilty refers only to those living.

http://www.utsystem.edu/ogc/INTELLECTUALPROPERTY/libelfrm.htm

And these are people, remember, who are drove to a station in a car full of home made bombs, which they had prevoously made in a flat, which was left full of bomb-making kit and their DNA and fingerprints all over the flat and the home made bombs, then loaded rucksacks full of said home made bombs onto their backs and, taking care to be caught on CCTV and to carry ID to assure maximum publicity for themselves and their martyrdom mission, were found blown into pieces on the tube and the bus, having left wills that said they wanted to martyr themselves.


But hey, maybe that is all a spooky coincidence and the pixies did it? Grow up.

The bereaved families have asked for distressing images of the mass- murderers final journey to be kept to a minimum and not released to be replayed all over the net by ghouls like you , the details of the bombs have been kept out of the public narrative to try to avoid amateur copy cat attacks, and also at the request of the bereaved. We were given quite a lot more info than you get in the narrative on Tuesday at the meeting with the Thesis Investigation team and Tessa Jowell.

I can't wait for the day when you are forced to accept that you are dealing with 4 suicide bombers killing 52 and injuring 700.Perhaps then you will have the humility to realise that your fact-free speculations are grossly offensive to people who have a damn sight better reason than you to care about July 7th, and to apologise for the distress you cause

A public enquiry might shut you up, but far more importantly, it would allow lessons to be learned that might save lives in future and spare suffering.

I have done my best to distance my calls for a public enquiry from the likes of you conspiracy theorists and your disgraceful apologias for murderers.

On Monday I go again to the new Home secretary with other survivors and bereaved to show that we are sane, and sincere, and have good reason to ask for an independent public enquiry, and despite your best efforts to taint our calls for one with your speculation and lies and fantasies.

And we may get some justice, but if we do, it will not have been helped by the likes of you, it will despite the likes of you. I have had to fight to get here and fight and take you on to make it crystal clear that those wanting answers are not confined to the lunatic fringe. Front page of the Sunday Times last week, numerous media support with more to come,thankfully, means the vioces of survivors and right-thinking people are being heard, and your sickening conspiracies are consigned to the loony bon of history alongside all those who thought that nice Mr Hitler couldn't possobly have done anything to those nasty Jews apart from send them to holiday camps.

[alkmyst]

Rachel wrote:

[Rachel]

A sectioning order for you might be more appropriate, and read my post above,

Self-appointed?


Yes, I personally wrote the narrative, run the country, the police, write all the newspapers and report all the news.

You are deluded, get a grip.

laughing at you

[alkmyst]

Rachel wrote:

[Ally]

[alkmyst]

[catfish]

This is the link that Rachel posted in response to my post about people being innocent until proven guilty:

http://www.utsystem.edu/ogc/INTELLECTUALPROPERTY/libelfrm.htm

This link is completely irrelevent and regards libel cases.

Now unfortunately I didn't want to sue these lads for libel, I just wanted to point out that they hadn't been proven guilty by anything other than the British media's kangaroo court.

All good, decent, right-thinking people must agree with me that everyone should be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

And if you don't.....

....you're bad

catfish out

[numeral]

Who has seen all four of their death certificates?