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 Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: Channel 4 News tonight Monday 4th June |
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A member of the July 7th Truth Campaign will be interviewed in the following news story:
| Quote: | Survey: 'government hasn't told truth about 7/7'
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Tony Blair, in addition to his foreign forays, is saying his goodbyes to the big domestic issues not the least of which is those issues conjured by the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks.
So today found him at a Cambridge University-organised Muslim conference at London's Lancaster House. As is so often the case, the Muslims who weren't invited cried foul. It's always so difficult for anyone to know how to invite someone from the 'Muslim community' because by definition no single person ever really represents it.
To coincide with this we have commissioned an enormous Channel 4 News and GFK NOP survey of Muslim opinion, and as with 9/11, we find that of the 500 British Muslims we interviewed, the majority feel that the government hasn't told the truth about what happened on July 7th, and surprisingly about a quarter believe the government itself had a hand in it. Darshna Soni reports on the conspiracy beliefs surrounding 7/7 at seven.
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Just watching it. Cast as a 'problem' that many muslims believe they are lied to about 7/7, so cast as alienation from authority that needs to be 'solved'.
Guy from Muslim Safety Council just announced that a third of Americans overall believe 911 is an inside job to point out it's not just muslims who have these 'wacky ideas'. Not sure where he gets that figure from, but was really struck to hear someone announce it on telly.
No-one from 7/7 truth campaign in sight though.
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Last Modified: 04 Jun 2007
By: Darshna Soni
A quarter of Muslims polled think the authorities involved with staging the 7/7 London bombings.
It's a worrying picture that suggests a significant minority of British Muslims are alienated from the government and the security services.
article continues below...
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A Channel 4 News survey of 500 British Muslims, carried out by GFK NOP, has found that nearly a quarter don't believe the four men identified as the London bombers were responsible for the attacks.
And a similar number say the government or the security services were involved. Nearly six in ten of those polled believe the government hasn't told the whole truth about the July the 7th bombings - and more than half say the intelligence services have made up evidence to convict terrorist suspects.
The findings come as Tony Blair told a London conference that the "true voice of Islam" needed to be heard - to isolate the extremists.
The Prime Minister went on to say that that most Muslims wanted to be "loyal citizens", despite the "disproportionate" public attention given to what he called "small, unrepresentative groups" of radicals. In this exclusive report,
Darshna Soni reveals the full findings of our survey - and talks to Muslims throughout England.
The Survey
Channel 4 News, with GFK NOP, has commissioned a survey to reveal the Muslim community's attitudes towards the 'official narrative' surrounding the 7/7 bombings revealing that: 59% of the 500 people polled believe that the government has not told the public the whole truth about the 7th July bombings.
52% believe that the British security services have "made up" evidence to convict terrorist suspects.
24% believe the four men identified as the July 7th bombers were not actually responsible for the attacks.
68% believe that the Muslim community does not bear any responsibility for the emergence of extremists willing to attack UK targets. Although 58% felt that the community should be doing more.
Download the full survey here: Channel 4 News / GFK NOP Survey (Word doc) |
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/religion/survey+governme nt+hasnt+told+truth+about+77/545847#fold
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/77+the+conspir acy+theories/545762
J7 were approached by Darshna Shoni for this programme and Shahid spoke as a member of J7 - he mentioned the Guildford 4 etc.
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| Dogsmilk wrote: | a third of Americans overall believe 911 is an inside job
Not sure where he gets that figure from |
There have been a number of surveys in the USA and they are from proper reputable polling organisations.
We in the UK need to do the same because the real problem is that if 25% of muslims believe 7/7 was an inside job that means there are still 75% who have swallowed the lies hook line and sinker and we need to enlighten these 'sheeple'.
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| Quote: | | We in the UK need to do the same because the real problem is that if 25% of muslims believe 7/7 was an inside job that means there are still 75% who have swallowed the lies hook line and sinker and we need to enlighten these 'sheeple'. |
What interests me is that this is generally framed as a 'muslim issue' - it makes it easier to frame the issue in terms of muslim alienation or a refusal to believe their co-religionists would perform such actions. It would be interesting to see poll data on how many people generally see 7/7 as a bit rum
I hear what you're saying about 'the message', but I also think 25% is actually a pretty high figure.
| Quote: | http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/77+the+conspir acy+theories/545762
J7 were approached by Darshna Shoni for this programme and Shahid spoke as a member of J7 - he mentioned the Guildford 4 etc. |
Crikey, that's surprisingly sympathetic - a link to the very excellent 'ludicrous diversion' even.
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I had just been having a nap and woke to see an e-mail announcing this report, 10 minutes before it was broadcast. I thought it was a very significant report and wish I could remember the names of everyone featured in it.
One leading voice was our old friend Dr Mohamad Naseem of the Birmingham Central Mosque who has commendably resisted pressure to toe the government line and successfully resisted pressure to get him removed as Imam of the Mosque, having gained reportedly unanimous support from the congregation.
There followed a discussion between Shahid Malik MP and Abdurahman Jafar of the Muslim Safety Forum. Malik seemed to be wringing his hands that so many of his co-religionists have been seduced by "conspiracy theories". (Is four people plotting to blow up trains not a conspiracy? and is the govenment's account of what happened not a theory?) Jafar was much more relaxed and I felt might well be on our side over this issue though he didn't say so in so many words in the discussion.
Bearing in mind that the J7 group is a research but not a campaigning group, I am more convinced than ever that people who post on this website should be incorporating the J7 issue in their public campaigning and should be offering support to the British Muslim community. Significantly, one person interviewed, who may have been someone I don't know from the J7 group, pointed out that there are plenty of precedents of the authorities planting false evidence in order to get convictions of suspects, citing the Guildford 4, the Birmingham 6 and the McGuire 7. We need to keep reminding people of the evidence of this kind of skulduggery by the PTB in the recent past.
I also think that thanks are due to the J7 research group, Adrian Connock and David Shayler for producing the movie Mind the Gap and to the anonymous movie makers of Ludicrous Diversion for this shift in public attitudes.
I would like to get hold of a copy of this report. Does anyone know how to do that?
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This is my post on this from the other thread mentioned above:
| Craig W wrote: | Thanks scuba. There is also a small thread on this in "7/7/05".
It would be interesting to see the results of a similar survey of the general population, to compare with this survey of Muslims.
That this survey is solely of Muslims allows the MSM and authorities to spin it as troubling evidence of Muslim disaffection and alienation (which no doubt will be used to help explain any future incidence of alleged "home-grown Muslim terror").
Here is the text of the article linked above:
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Survey: 'government hasn't told truth about 7/7'
Last Modified: 04 Jun 2007
By: Darshna Soni
A quarter of Muslims polled think the authorities involved with staging the 7/7 London bombings. (Three quarters are either too brainwashed or too scared to consider the truth - CW)
It's a worrying picture that suggests a significant minority of British Muslims are alienated from the government and the security services. (Worrying only if you assume the official conspiracy theory is true - CW)
A Channel 4 News survey of 500 British Muslims, carried out by GFK NOP, has found that nearly a quarter don't believe the four men identified as the London bombers were responsible for the attacks. (Over three quarters think they did it, despite the amost total lack of evidence - again, testament to the power of MSM spin and lies - CW)
And a similar number say the government or the security services were involved. Nearly six in ten of those polled believe the government hasn't told the whole truth about the July the 7th bombings - and more than half say the intelligence services have made up evidence to convict terrorist suspects. (Over 40% of Muslims are deluded enought to think the authorities have played with a straight bat - CW)
The findings come as Tony Blair told a London conference that the "true voice of Islam" needed to be heard - to isolate the extremists.
The Prime Minister went on to say that that most Muslims wanted to be "loyal citizens", despite the "disproportionate" public attention given to what he called "small, unrepresentative groups" of radicals. In this exclusive report, Darshna Soni reveals the full findings of our survey - and talks to Muslims throughout England.
The Survey
Channel 4 News, with GFK NOP, has commissioned a survey to reveal the Muslim community's attitudes towards the 'official narrative' surrounding the 7/7 bombings revealing that: 59% of the 500 people polled believe that the government has not told the public the whole truth about the 7th July bombings.
52% believe that the British security services have "made up" evidence to convict terrorist suspects.
24% believe the four men identified as the July 7th bombers were not actually responsible for the attacks.
68% believe that the Muslim community does not bear any responsibility for the emergence of extremists willing to attack UK targets. Although 58% felt that the community should be doing more.
Download the full survey here: Channel 4 News / GFK NOP Survey (Word doc)
Your views
If you'd like to comment on our survey findings, you can get in touch at the news@channel4.com |
Here are the full poll results from that last link:
| Quote: | Inquest poll - Toplines
Question A1 (1) Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A1. The British government has told the public the WHOLE truth about the July 7th bombings
[PROBE: STRONGLY/TEND TO]
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Strongly agree 44 8.8 8.8
2. Tend to agree 68 13.6 13.6
3. Neither agree nor disagree 42 8.4 8.4
4. Tend to disagree 147 29.4 29.4
5. Strongly disagree 148 29.6 29.6
Don't Know 51 10.2 10.2
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Question A1 (2) Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A1. The British government was involved in some way in the July 7th bombings
[PROBE: STRONGLY/TEND TO]
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Strongly agree 57 11.4 11.4
2. Tend to agree 63 12.6 12.6
3. Neither agree nor disagree 71 14.2 14.2
4. Tend to disagree 109 21.8 21.8
5. Strongly disagree 128 25.6 25.6
Don't Know 72 14.4 14.4
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Question A1 (3) Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A1. The British security services were involved in some way in the July 7th
bombings
[PROBE: STRONGLY/TEND TO]
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Strongly agree 47 9.4 9.4
2. Tend to agree 75 15.0 15.0
3. Neither agree nor disagree 75 15.0 15.0
4. Tend to disagree 104 20.8 20.8
5. Strongly disagree 113 22.6 22.6
Don't Know 86 17.2 17.2
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Question A1 (4) Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A1. The 4 men identified as the July 7th bombers were the ones actually
responsible for the attacks
[PROBE: STRONGLY/TEND TO]
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Strongly agree 99 19.8 19.8
2. Tend to agree 99 19.8 19.8
3. Neither agree nor disagree 91 18.2 18.2
4. Tend to disagree 63 12.6 12.6
5. Strongly disagree 57 11.4 11.4
Don't Know 91 18.2 18.2
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Question A1A Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A1a. Do you think that the Muslim community in Britain bears any
responsibility for the emergence of extremists willing to attack UK targets?
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Yes 108 21.6 21.6
2. No 343 68.6 68.6
Don't Know 49 9.8 9.8
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Question A1B Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A1b. Are you satisfied that the Muslim community is taking sufficient steps
to address the issue of extremism, or should it do more?
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Yes - I am satisfied 161 32.2 32.2
2. No - The Muslim community should be doing more 292 58.4 58.4
Don't Know 47 9.4 9.4
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Question A2 Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A2. And now thinking more generally, some people believe that the British
security services have made up evidence to make it easier to get terrorist
suspects convicted in court.
To what extent do you either agree or disagree with this statement?
[PROBE: STRONGLY/TEND TO]
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Strongly agree 132 26.4 26.4
2. Tend to agree 129 25.8 25.8
3. Neither agree nor disagree 64 12.8 12.8
4. Tend to disagree 64 12.8 12.8
5. Strongly disagree 58 11.6 11.6
Don't Know 53 10.6 10.6
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Question A3 Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A3. If you were arrested in Britain, how confident are you, if at all, that
as a Muslim, you will be treated fairly?
[READ OUT]
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Very confident 63 12.6 12.6
2. Quite confident 122 24.4 24.4
3. Not very confident 179 35.8 35.8
4. Not at all confident 105 21.0 21.0
Don't Know 31 6.2 6.2
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Question A4 Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A4. To what extent do you think the policing tactics used when arresting
Muslim suspects under the Terrorism Act can be justified?
[READ OUT]
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Usually 95 19.0 19.0
2. Sometimes 179 35.8 35.8
3. Rarely 97 19.4 19.4
4. Never 53 10.6 10.6
Don't Know 76 15.2 15.2
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Question A5 Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A5. Do you agree or disagree that the tactics used by the police when
arresting Muslims terror suspects are racist?
[READ OUT]
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Strongly agree 77 15.4 15.4
2. Tend to agree 155 31.0 31.0
3. Neither agree nor disagree 59 11.8 11.8
4. Tend to disagree 96 19.2 19.2
5. Strongly disagree 63 12.6 12.6
Don't Know 50 10.0 10.0
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Question A6 Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A6. Since the events of 7th July how worried are you, if at all, that Police
may shoot to kill people who they suspect of being Muslim terrorists?
[READ OUT]
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Extremely worried 119 23.8 23.8
2. Very worried 191 38.2 38.2
3. Not very worried 110 22.0 22.0
4. Not at all worried 58 11.6 11.6
Don't Know 22 4.4 4.4
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Question A7 Single-Coded. Answered by 500 out of 500
A7. Some Muslims are considering leaving the UK because they believe there is
no future in Britain for Muslims.
Have you yourself considered leaving Britain for this reason?
[PROBE TO PRECODES]
500 500
Tot/Ans %/Ans %/Resp
1. Yes - have considered seriously 26 5.2 5.2
2. Yes - considered but not seriously 64 12.8 12.8
3. No - not considered this at all 401 80.2 80.2
Don't Know 9 1.8 1.8 |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Dogsmilk wrote: | | Quote: | | We in the UK need to do the same because the real problem is that if 25% of muslims believe 7/7 was an inside job that means there are still 75% who have swallowed the lies hook line and sinker and we need to enlighten these 'sheeple'. |
What interests me is that this is generally framed as a 'muslim issue' - it makes it easier to frame the issue in terms of muslim alienation or a refusal to believe their co-religionists would perform such actions. It would be interesting to see poll data on how many people generally see 7/7 as a bit rum
I hear what you're saying about 'the message', but I also think 25% is actually a pretty high figure.
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Not only did they say that 25% thought 7/7 was an inside job, but that 59% thought the government has not told the whole truth. That suggests there is a further 34% open to be convinced that it was an inside job. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| xmasdale wrote: | | Bearing in mind that the J7 group is a research but not a campaigning group, |
We're not called the July 7th Truth Campaign for nothing! It's the July 7th people's investigation forum which does the research.
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Unfortunately without broadband trying to view online videos is a thankless task. |
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I thought the channel 4 piece was very good
apart from the self hating turncoat from the city university
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