How upfront is 'Team Rachel' North?

[karlos]

[rodin]

[Prole]

[numeral]

[Kier]

[Wokeman]

This seems to be going the way of many threads here. The debate about what is fact, truth and what isn't stretches out to the horizon, and it just goes round and round and round and round. I think that some of the posters here and elsewhere should be verbally terminated. Who for heaven's sake dug up Rachel North?

[Stefan]

Woah!

What's going on here, Stelios have you been checking up on the PForum?

I thought we had reached a consensus to go with the recommendations of J7 on the leaflet in question?

[David WJ Sherlock]

[karlos]

The fact is, and i know alot of people see it as a fruitless exercise, but Rachel reads this forum and believes that 7/7 was 4 suicidal terrorists. However at some point she will have her epiphany.

Look at George Galloway the most anti 911 guys around, today live on national tv he said to william rodrequez he (galloway) does not believe the official version of the 911 events.

The conservative party are now asking for an inquiry into the Iraq war and are moving to a more anti war stance.

Rachel will at some point realise that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck the chances are 7/7 was an inside job.

I hope if you are reading this Rachel you reach that point soon
xxx

[rodin]

[Wokeman]

It could not have been, possibly, possibly, have been Transport for London, could it, do you think? Or what used to be known as London Transport, run by, I believe, Bob Kiley?

[rodin]

Employee numbers 2003 Number 2002 Number
Permanent employees (including those on contract)
Agency staff 3,535
529 2,470
455
Actual number of employees at 31 March 4,064 2,925

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/about-tfl/investorrelations/4449.aspx

rather more than 'over a thousand'

Wouldn't be surprised if his hands were dirty though

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3350

[Prole]

[karlos]

[rodin]

[karlos]

[karlos]

PSSS:
Keep listening i would swear it sounded like DAVID SHAYLOR on the same interview after Rachel

Just as well David Shaylor was kicked out of 911 and stop the war
he did a better job as hatchet man than Rachel did herself
i see where she got her quotes from
he introduced himself as july seventh surely YOU 7/7 guys did not take him under your wing
Prole? Numeral? Kier?
David Shaylor confirmed all the * Rachel was spouting

Rachel please note NOBODY on this site believes that the bus was fake and that pyrotechnics were used and that all the people on the bus were actors or that Rachel is a zionist or a shill (whatever that means) or M15 or a multiple personality. So please do not say so. The fact that David Shaylor thinks you are is nothing to do with us because he does NOT represent any of us or our views.
Hopefully your 15 minutes will be over soon.
And it is a shame they closed Freirn Barnet.

[Prole]

[karlos]

[blackcat]

[karlos]

[ian neal]

[rodin]

[conspiracy analyst]

is all about being on the make and on the take.
The politicians dont own the country they just administer it for big business.
If in the process a few million are made, thats nothing new.
Thatchers son who became an arms dealer and Blairs son was sent over to a republican senator in the USA. Only God knows where his contacts will get him to next.

Having the right contacts nowadays is what gets you along. In poorer countries the process is more crude more open, more in your face, but nevertheless it is the same. Mubarak son or Gaddafis are no less/more corrupt than Mark Thatcher. They have even made a political term for it classifying it as republican monarchies

But as it becomes harder for each generation to turn a buck the level of crime necessitated to make a killing literally becomes ...killing.

The Falklands war and the deindustrialisation of Britain pale into comparison with the devastation in Iraq. 700,000 dead in 'peacetime' is a crime of enormous proportions.

Brown has a tough act to beat, but I'm sure hell make a good stab at it.

[blackcat]

[rodin]

Interesting tidbit from J7.

[karlos]

Ex-Mossad Chief Calls For World War After London Attack

Rules of conflict for a world war

By Efraim Halevi

07/07/05 "The Jerusalem Post" - - The multiple, simultaneous explosions that took place today on the London transportation system were the work of perpetrators who had an operational capacity of considerable scope. They have come a long way since the two attacks of the year 1998 against the American embassies in Nairobi and Dar-Es-Salaam, and the aircraft actions of September 11, 2001.

There was careful planning, intelligence gathering, and a sophisticated choice of timing as well as near-perfect execution. We are faced with a deadly and determined adversary who will stop at nothing and will persevere as long as he exists as a fighting terrorist force.

One historical irony: I doubt whether the planners knew that one of the target areas, that in Russell Square, was within a stone's throw of a building that served as the first headquarters of the World Zionist Organization that preceded the State of Israel.

It was at 77 Great Russell Street that Dr. Chaim Weizmann, a renowned chemist, presided over the effort that culminated in the issuing of the Balfour Declaration, the first international recognition of the right of the Jewish people to a national home in what was then still a part of the Ottoman Empire.

We are in the throes of a world war, raging over the entire globe and characterized by the absence of lines of conflict and an easily identifiable enemy. There are sometimes long pauses between one attack and another, consequently creating the wrong impression that the battle is all over, or at least in the process of being won.

Generally speaking, the populations at large are not involved in the conflict, and by and large play the role of bystanders. But once in a while, these innocents are caught up in the maelstrom and suffer the most cruel and wicked of punishments meted out by those who are not bound by any rules of conduct or any norms of structured society. For a while, too short a while, we are engrossed with the sheer horror of what we see and hear, but, with the passage of time, our memories fade and we return to our daily lives, forgetting that the war is still raging out there and more strikes are sure to follow.

It cannot be said that seven years after this war broke out in east Africa, we can see its conclusion. We are in for the long haul and we must brace ourselves for more that will follow. The 'Great Wars' of the 20th century lasted less than this war has already lasted, and the end is nowhere in sight.

There will be supreme tests of leadership in this unique situation and people will have to trust the wisdom and good judgment of those chosen to govern them. The executives must be empowered to act resolutely and to take every measure necessary to protect the citizens of their country and to carry the combat into whatever territory the perpetrators and their temporal and spiritual leaders are inhabiting.

The rules of combat must be rapidly adjusted to cater to the necessities of this new and unprecedented situation, and international law must be rewritten in such a way as to permit civilization to defend itself. Anything short of this invites disaster and must not be allowed to happen.

The aim of the enemy is not to defeat western civilization but to destroy its sources of power and existence, and to render it a relic of the past. It does not seek a territorial victory or a regime change; it wants to turn western civilization into history and will stop at nothing less than that.

It will show no mercy or compassion and no appreciation for these noble values when practiced by us. This does not mean that we can or should assume the norms of our adversaries, nor that we should act indiscriminately. It does mean that the only way to ensure our safety and security will be to obtain the destruction, the complete destruction, of the enemy.

MUCH HAS been said in recent years about the vital need for international cooperation. There is no doubt that this is essential. Yet no measure of this will suffice and it cannot replace the requirement that each and every country effectively declare itself at war with international Islamist terror and recruit the public to involve itself actively in the battle, under the direction of the legal powers that be.

In the past, governments have been expected to provide security to their citizens. The responsibility is still there, in principle. But in practice, no government today can provide an effective 'suit of protection' for the ordinary citizen. There can be no protection for every bus, every train, every street, every square. In these times the ordinary citizen must be vigilant and must make his personal contribution to the war effort. Private enterprise will have to supplement the national effort in many walks of life.

The measures that I have outlined above will not be easily adopted
overnight. When the US entered World War Two, Congress approved the momentous decision by a majority of one vote. Profound cultural changes will have to come about and the democratic way of life will be hard-pressed to produce solutions that will enable the executive branch to perform its duties and, at the same time, to preserve the basic tenets of our democratic way of life. It will not be easy, but it will be essential not to lose sight of every one of these necessities.

This war is already one of the longest in modern times; as things appear now, it is destined to be part of our daily lives for many years to come, until the enemy is eliminated, as it surely will be.

The writer, who heads the Center for Strategic and Policy Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is a former head of the Mossad.

Copyright 1995-2005 The Jerusalem Post

[rodin]

[karlos]

7/7 victims wait for compensation
Friday, 6 July 2007, 22:03 GMT 23:03 UK
A London bus and three Tube trains were targeted on 7 July
Around a fifth of compensation claims made by victims of the 7/7 London bombings have still not been fully resolved two years after the event.
The Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority (CICA) said that 118 out of 614 applications were still being processed.

Some victims of the bombings claim they are struggling to deal with a complex and unwieldy system.

The CICA said it is always looking at how to make the system easier.

'Forgotten people'

As the second anniversary of the bombings approached, a spokesman for the CICA denied it had been "sitting on applications" for two years.

Most of the outstanding applications, he said, were either recent applications or had been paid an interim amount while details such as the cost of long-term care were calculated.

I would have been better off if I had been knocked down by a bus or a car

Thelma Stober, 7/7 survivor

Most of those who sustained serious injuries had submitted their applications. More recent applications tend to be claims for psychological damage, according to the CICA.

Of the 614 applications received since 7 July, 452 cases have been settled - compensation has been paid or the claim rejected and the decision accepted by the claimant.

A total of £4.2m has been paid out so far.

The CICA received 50 applications in 2007 - seven this week alone.

'Bureaucracy'

Lawyer Thelma Stober, who lost her leg in the explosion on the Circle Line train at Aldgate, said: "We are the forgotten people."

The 35-year-old has received £33,000 - the maximum value for the loss of a limb below the knee - but is still trying to get compensation for the rest of her injuries.

She told the Evening Standard: "I have got to the stage where even though I am a lawyer and I am used to dealing with large documentation and complicated forms I am so fed up with it."

She added: "I would have been better off if I had been knocked down by a bus or a car."

Campaigner Rachel North, who survived the Russell Square Piccadilly Line bombing which killed 26 people, wants the system improved for all victims.

She said: "It is not just the 7 July victims who struggle with bureaucracy in the face of disaster. The CICA is an unwieldy, bureaucratic system.

"I hope that by raising this issue, people who have the power to make things easier for victims of crime might look at how they can make it more supportive and smooth-running."

People struck by disaster were being asked to fill out complex application forms at a hugely challenging time for them and needed more support, she argued.

The CICA spokesman said there was a "certain inevitability" about some of the delays but said the authority was always looking how to make the process as easy as possible.

[Prole]

Two survivors from Russell Square who contradict the 20/30 minutes in this BBC diary extract to get off the 1st carriage of the train:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4JD6Pnogvc&eurl=

More on this incident here:

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/7-7-kings-cross-russell-square.html