Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: NATO anarchy to blight Afghanistan/Iraq for decades
Remember WOT Phase I: Afghanistan and Phase II: Iraq? Latest NATO lies hereby circulated uncritically by UK press to defend genocide.
"Maybe we should have raised our game [kill more civillians - ed.] earlier, but now we have," Sir Sherard said. He insisted that although the NATO forces had been responsible for some civilian casualties, most Afghans "want us here".
It could take "decades" to establish an effective government in Afghanistan, the UK's new ambassador in Kabul has admitted.
Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles said that the effort to stabilise and rebuild the war-torn country was a "marathon rather than a sprint".
He also accepted that Britain should have stepped up its diplomatic and development commitment in Afghanistan earlier.
"The task of standing up a government of Afghanistan that is sustainable is going to take a very long time," Sir Sherard told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
"It's a marathon rather than a sprint. We should be thinking in terms of decades."
He insisted: "We're not (talking) about a long-term military presence but we're serious about a long-term development presence, because this country does matter to us and to the region in so many ways."
The British embassy in Kabul has been expanded significantly over recent months, including the appointment of Sir Sherard - seen as a high-flier at the Foreign Office.
There is speculation that it could become even bigger than the diplomatic outpost Washington.
"Maybe we should have raised our game earlier, but now we have," Sir Sherard said. He insisted that although the Nato forces had been responsible for some civilian casualties, most Afghans "want us here".
Get used to it. The USUK is now in perpetual World War.
If the MSM's endless chatter about whether or not or when troop withdrawals might take place in Iraq and Afghanistan is to be believed the idea is that troop withdrawals will take place sooner or later.
Reality Check: don't believe a word of it.
Why should you when they don't, pumping out interminable spin as they do, processed and fed them by the Bush and Blair governments?
The reality is that USUK troops are going to be occupying Iraq and Afghanistan for decades.
Permanently.
A recent MoD paper, reported in The Telegraph, in the UK talks about five years:
Britain's "overstretched" armed forces will fight in Iraq for at least another five years ... troops will be serving on operations in the Gulf until at least 2012.
The contents of the document, distributed last month, appear to be in marked contrast to a statement made by Tony Blair in February giving the impression that British troops would remain in Iraq for less than two years. He said: "The UK military presence will continue into 2008". Mr Blair told the Commons: "Increasingly our role will be support and training, and our numbers will be able to reduce accordingly."
Patrick Mercer, a former infantry colonel and former Tory homeland security spokesman, said: "The reality is that many troops will remain in Iraq for the foreseeable future and continue to take casualties."
Senior commanders also revealed the number of troops committed to Afghanistan is likely to increase over the next two years.
In a recent report, A Duty to Mislead: Politics and the Iraq War, on US National Public Radio, broadcaster Ted Koppel stated:
"Democrats are telling voters that if they are elected, all U.S. troops will be pulled out of Iraq. But as Sen. Hillary Clinton privately told a senior military adviser, she knows there will be some troops there for decades. It's an example of how in some cases, politics can force dishonesty."
"In a recent interview with the New York Times," Koppel continues, "Senator Clinton emphasized that there are remaining vital national security issues [clearly oil] in Iraq and that these would require a continuing deployment of American troops."
"She didn't, in that interview, give any sense of how long U.S. forces might remain in Iraq during a Clinton administration."
And to an old military friend of Koppel's Clinton revealed how, were she to be elected and then re-elected, "she would still expect U.S. forces to be in Iraq at the end of a second term."
"When, oh when," Koppel despairs, "is that deadly serious issue going to become the topic of an equally serious and candid discussion? When, in other words, will we get the brutal truth in place of vapid and misleading campaign applause lines?"
Well, the brutal truth is finally seeping out, proving that the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was, all along, to capture and occupy areas of strategic and economic importance to the U.S. led multinational corporations: oil and gas.
Now we have a ruling class toff, Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles would you believe, the new UK Ambassador to Afghanistan, telling the ever servile Huw Edwards of BBC News 24 that the British will have to remain in Afghanistan for "a long time ... we should be thinking in terms of decades."
On being questioned why the British are building a huge new embassy in Kabul (as are the Americans in Baghdad) Sir Sherard admitted that "strategic interests" required it.
"Ministers realize we are here for the long haul."
All this fits in perfectly with the neocons' Blueprint for a New American Century which calls for geopolitical wars to seize and occupy areas of the world containing minerals and resources vital to the U.S. 'security (read corporate capitalist) interests.' It is also why U.S. generals have been telling their troops for some time now to get used to the idea of long, generational and endless wars.
And why our societies are being totalitarianized. No way out: this really is Armageddon.
I agree with this entirely.
Iran is next on the agenda probably a carpet bombing rather than a ground offensive.
Sudan will follow soon after and then the North of Saomalia known as Somaliland will be on the cards too.
The Brits discovered a massive oil field stradled the northen somali and southern sudan regions and indeed had control of both countries which used to use the british pound i think up until the sixties.
There is no way these boys are going to left all that oil go to India and China so they will start bombing soon.
the economy of the US exists solely as a corporation needing to be eating, growing, consuming and warmongering continuously.
Britain can divorce itslef from this but we have 3 years of Gordon Brown to come and as every Labour leader he will want to leave his scent on the world by invading some country somewhere.
PS:
Did you hear the Liberals might be joining in a coalition with Labour?
It was on the news today.
This is why i regard a vote for the Libs as a wasted vote because when the chips are down the Liberals really are Labour in disguise
I would say that we have 3 years of hell in front of us and at the end of that who knows there might not be a Britain left we may be merged into the United States of Europe.
PSS:
I will emigrate to the Falklands then _________________
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert visited Washington yesterday and met with US President George W. Bush to finalise plans for a joint US-Israel strike on Iran's nuclear facilities. _________________
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Maybe we should start a secret society and plan ahead for umpteen thousand years to infiltrate the NWO. Aparently this works.
IF we could get the message to the soldiers surely they would take great offence at being manipulated by others to kill and be killed for no good reason whatsoever. The idea that Governments just kill them or its citizens to stage terror events wouldn't help. Neither would the funding all sides bit. Topped of with their country is being given away, all the citizens being robbed of their resources (incl. their own families) and their job is to defend the people who are their ultimate commanders and pay, and have paid them.... wouldn't this make any soldier sick to their stomach?
A bunch of extremely angry soldiers arriving home would certainly be a big step forward in ending this I reckon.
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