How to make water burn

[catfish]

catfish give information for eductional purposes only, experimenting with hydrogen or a mixture of oxygen/hydrogen is highly dangerous and you do so entirely at your own risk catfish do not recommend you do so and they disclaim any responsibility should you decide to go against their advice.

Please, anyone with an open mind and genuinely interested in running their house and car on rain water, PM or e-mail me and I'll tell you what I know.

Everyone I cannot stress enough the importance of learning about Brown's gas.
Brown's gas is made through simple electrolysis of water and is a mixture of single hydrogen and oxygen molecules.
Brown's gas can run a car, an electric generator and heat a boiler.
Think about not having to pay for anything. Think about having time to do what you want.
If you grow your own food and filter your own water, produce your own electric and gas, you do not have to go to work unless you want to.

The biggest cover-up is not 9/11.

The biggest cover-up is that it is easy to make useful, pollution free gas from water.

The biggest cover-up is that we can live for free.


This is a good place to start: www.waterpoweredcar.com

The first time I made Brown's gas a couple of weeks ago was easy. You will need:
1) 12 volt car battery or power supply
2) A short piece of metal tube (mine was stainless steel, 1.5 inch diameter, 4 inch length)
3) A glass jar tall enough to hold the tube
4) 4 inch nail, some rubber to insulate the nail from the tube.
5) 2 wires to connect it up

Put the nail in the tube, use some rubber spacers to make sure they aren't touching. The tip of the nail is best when level with the top of the tube.

Attach the negative* side of the power supply to the nail's head.

Attach the positive* side to the outside of the tube, with tape or an elastic band. Don't let them touch! Your supply will short out!

Fill the jar with water and place the nail and tube inside, wires and all, with the tip of the nail upwards.

With your power supply turned on, very quickly you should see bubbles crawling up the nail and forming on the surface. The effect can be increased by adding a tiny bit of caustic soda or sea salt.

These bubbles are explosive (or should I say implosive).
Try them out with a match for exceptional bubble imploding fun.

This is a small scale, very easy to make, brown's gas generator, and if you build it, it will amaze you.
*it still works the other way but in bigger models I've used the negative in the middle because it seems to work better.

Happy Catfish

Any questions or problems I will answer if I can.

[Jim]

Catfish - interesting but not related to 9/11.

Anyway, you need an energy source to recharge the battery. If the gas can supply enough energy to recharge the battery via a (e.g. car) combustion engine and allow you to drive the car then you're onto a winner. I was under the impression that it is not an over-unity solution as the energy required to liberate the combustible gas is more costly (in monetary and/or energy input terms) than the output energy produced by the combustion process (recharge + net. useful work i.e. car locomotion). Or have the Laws of Thermodynamics been changed recently?

[Jane]

I would think "the biggest cover up" is that we are not this mind, we are not this body, but we are the spirit...pure spirit" as "Mother" used to say when I was in Sahaj Yoga.....but this is probably not "relevent" to our discussion about 9/11..."

[Martin Conner]

This is a fox news clip so the authenticity is questionable. However, you may find it interesting.
http://www.drturi.com/images/FoxNews_-_WaterFuel.wmv

Not directly related to the WTC events, but energy is a complicit factor why these buildings were ‘attacked’

[Jane]

[Martin Conner]

[Jane]

Yes, you are right Martin, "Antz" is an excellent film - I like the way it manages to show how what we assume is “the world” may just be an old crisp packet left on the grass on a picnic site - Alexi Sayle was very good at this as well - I have an old video of some episodes of his comedy series from years ago where two lads who live on a horrid concrete council estate ponder if this whole reality may not be merely a dream dreamed up by a dirty dish cloth ...and yes that "Grasshopper" does look a lot like Donald Rumsfled

[Licenced2chill]

Thats cool catfish.I think thats the same gas which some call oxy hydrogen,and maybe some call it orgone.
The device you mention is sort of like an electrolysis cell,with a cathode and anode.If you have one razzin,try attaching a tube and bunsen burner.BE CAREFUL though,as oxy H/Browns gas has serious power for little gas.I`ve messed around with a similar thing in the garage,using stainless steel plates in water.If you wire two car batts in series you can get serious gas.The easiest way to get the elecrtic sustainably would be from a windmill or bio diesel generator.If you`re into this stuff you should go to:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/ for electro gas stuff
http://www.otherpower.com/otherpowerfront.shtml for windmills
And the subject kind of ties in with 911 in a way,as energy domination is the name of the game now,so any progress in free sustainable clean energy is a big kick in the teeth for the corporate fascists who seek to dominate the globe.
Just be careful-no smoking or boozing when experimenting please!
Oh,just remembered i read somewhere(can`t find it now)that YOU MUST NOT collect the gas in a gas bottle because its unstable and can explode spontaeneously.

[Hazzard]

I can think of endless cover ups that would lead to something far better than living this way for free.

Can anyone say, Tesla?

HAARP < have a search for that in google. The technology that this thing uses, would have changed the world forever. But now it only benefits the NWO.

[Licenced2chill]

Yep,Tesla sure is the grandad of free energy.His research was at first embraced by the financier JP Morgan,but when Morgan realised that teslas inventions would provide global free energy,he grassed him to the man,who confiscated all his patents and equipment.The in comes marconi,who set up the rip off electric system that we now have.
Interestingly tesla lived at a time when all patents had to to be seen working,unlike the theoretical patents of today.Some of his inventions did produce free energy.Fact.
His secrets are still classified by the US govt.
His work with resonance is the most fascinating i think,and Hazzard is correct:HAARP is concerned with the schuman resonance and can be used from anything to atmospheric adjustments to military applications such as long distance comms,or much worse.
Unfortunatley tesla had this idea that if all the countries of the world each had a weapon big enough to destroy the planet,then we could live in peace.Although Tesla is my nominee for most underrated man in history,i don`t agree with him on this point-we`ve since tried the tesla model in the cold war(MAD)and wars still go on to this day.OK no one used a nuke in the cold war,at least not yet...(i believe the cold war has not ended,as all it takes is for some occult practitioner to get into the white house and the Russians will carry on the arms race.Whoops!its happened already!)

Teslas greatest: the wardenclyfe tower

the radio frequency powered car!

the reciprocating engine.(or earthquake machine)

[survooo]

911 is about supressing and exploiting large populations. This is the kind of thing that will set us free long before we can prove who did what and who was covering up what related to 911. Not to mention its a good mental break from the damn 911 bs that angers me every day.

Thanks

[mason-free party]

Free pure distilled water : http://www.solaqua.com these would help the prevention of disease in third world countries but the powers that be wouldn't want that

[kbo234]

Hey, abandoned ego...sorry to nick your post but this deserves a thread of its own. Absolutely AMAZING. Shocking too. The poor guy was poisoned
"when he hoisted a toast to success powering Army Tanks with the hydrogen in water".

17 minute documentary on an inventor who produced a water engine (small high frequency electric current in, massive amount of hydrogen/oxygen out). This is zero point energy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3333992194168790800&q=water+c ar+inventor+murdered


See news item re car crossing the USA (Los Angeles-New York) on 28(was it) gallons of water.

http://befreetech.com/media.htm

[TRUTH]

Amazing website!!

[Licenced2chill]

Stan Meyer is a classic example of what happens to people who invent alternatives to our insane use of fossil fuels.
Its easy to discredit someones inventions when you`re a multi billion oil company.
Stan had the whole system against him,except of course those nice folks at NASA/pentagon,who would steal his ideas (and no doubt manipulate them into dark secret applications).


Remeber this a few weeks back?

Bush: U.S. on Verge of Energy Breakthrough

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/20/ap/politics/mainD8FT47900.sh tml

We were on the verge of total free global power 100 years ago,and you Mr President are a BAD LIAR,but thats how you got the job isn`t it?
And Tony PUKE Blair wants more nuke plants.As usual the companies force the weak mind of the rulers.Money,power pollution and disease instead of free enegy,clean air,healthy people.
Thanks a lot Governments of the world,you evil surpressive b******.

Zero point is the only point.


By the way i would cache any documents on free energy you can,while you can.They often get removed from the net,links get jammed etc.Also watch out for professional disinfo sites...best to learn throu hands on experiments!Anyone can do it,it just takes determination and a clean slate mentality-many folks won`t try stuff because "science" says it won`t work.
Well,scientific laws are made to evolve,change and it takes a degree of try it and see for that.

[Licenced2chill]

Hey catfish,have you tried using a car alternator or two as a source of electric?Its AC electric,like Stan Meyer used for his water cell.
Theres a thread with a good video about his work :

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=1878

[James C]

I'm sorry, but this stuff is just bs. It's a money making scam whereby you are drawn to websites that suggest you contribute to aid the research. Well if it works, why is further research needed?

One of the properties of hydrogen is that it is highly flammable although in air it produces no flame at all. Doesn't this documentary show Meyer setting light to his gas which produces a clear distinct yellow, white flame. Sorry, but that cannot happen and it's interesting to see that only the top of the contraption is shown when he does this. He probably doesn't want you to see the magnesium ribbon underneath that is actually causing that white sparking flame.

To split hydrogen and oxygen you need masses of energy. That is why plants need sunlight, since they use the energy to break up the water molecules within their cells. That is also why fossil fuels are so energy intensive because they contain the stored energy of the sun - anyone read "The last hours of ancient sunlight" by Thom Hartmann (ancient sunlight being an alternative description for oil)? Burn fossil fuels and you get heat and water, i.e. the reverse of the process.

Come on guys. Let's start looking at the facts before believing this stuff. Webster Tarpley uses almost 500 pages to uncover the mysteries of 9/11 and some of that is pure speculation. A 17 minute documentary from years ago should not be evidence that this is real. The websites look very dodgy to me also - pure scam!

[Licenced2chill]

I aint saying its all real,and the gas is not hydrogen,but oxy h,or possibly browns gas.Its worth looking into though,i think.
The whole water cell thing is totally debunked on those "mythbuster" type sites,right next to 911.
That alone tells me to try to learn more about it.
I wonder who funds/writes those type of sites?


Try JLN labs or otherpower.com for a non profit non bull resource for interesting free energy type experiments.

Its not all bull,we are just not told the whole story.Energy could be free,and a whole lot less polluting but then we would have an economic meltdown but healthy planet,instead we have a great economy(not for long) and a sick atmosphere.

Which would you rather?

Yes,James C the befreetech web site does look dodgy and is a profit scam jobbie.The whole free energy subject is not a scam,and people who are interested in this subject usually want to help each other and the earth.For this reason they will gladly share information for free,and won`t resort to shady web scams!

[James C]

There's no doubt that free energy exists - it's called the Sun.

Zero point energy is a myth.

Now can we stick to 9/11.

[blackcat]

http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id= 78897

How does he get patents?? I thought you had to prove an invention worked to get a patent granted.

[James C]

Hi Blackcat,

Cannot get your link to work. What does it say?

If you have a patent number relating to Stan Meyers invention then you can check it out here....

http://www.uspto.gov/

I'd be interested to know what you find.

[blackcat]

when I click the link it asks where to download to. Just tried again and it works fine for me. It is a fox video try this

http://www.drturi.com/images/FoxNews_-_WaterFuel.wmv

[blackcat]

http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html

There are vids here that I first saw on British tv ten years ago and reference to his patents. Please note the new chap is called Klein. Meyers died in 1998.

[James C]

Have just looked at the website for Denny Klein. No patent number is given although he does ask for enquiries from business partners and re-sellers. Another scam me thinks.

It looks like he is using Sodium Borohydride here. This is soluble in water and will react with a catalyst to make hydrogen. This is not free though, the catalyst and sodium borohydride are expensive to produce.

[blackcat]

HERE IS THE PATENT
United States Patent Application: 0060075683
http://tinyurl.com/rgx7k

[scar]

[James C]

[Andrew Johnson]

I posted info about the Meyer Car and other related info some time ago.

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=2505#2505

1) Check out Eugene Mallove - who he was and what happened to him.
2) Consider parallels to 9/11 topics

Make your own mind up - I have.

[James C]

[Andrew Johnson]

Mallove wasn't himself working on anything particular. He was trying to support others.

Listening to the linked audio will give you an impression of him.

The points I made in my post are valid and correct. All you need to do is look at:

www.lenr-canr.org

You can see many reproductions of cold fusion results. This phenomenon is REAL. Can we make it viable? Very likely if the same amount is invested in a Cold Fusion programme as has been invested in Hot Fusion.

On a different tack, look at this development:

http://hytechapps.com/applications/index.html

Watch the video:

http://hytechapps.com/presentation/linked%20files/Hydro%20Tech/user%20 added/FinalHTA05.mov

How and why is that so many free-energy technologists end up character assasinated or dead?

Each makes their choice. I have.