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SHERITON HOTEL
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 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: Mayor Ken and 9/11? |
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| After his run-ins with the 'Bushite neocon US Ambassador' over non-payment of the congestion charge, do you think Ken Livingstone would be interested in a '911 enquiryUK' given so many British people died that day? He expressed some quite extreme views about the US ambassador on BBC Radio London today saying something to the effect...'I'd like to crush his car...WITH HIM IN IT!' |
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IMO Ken is phoney wadical picking on easy targets and cosying up to his 'mates' Hugo and Che to make himself look like he's not a puppet and a fool. We only have to look at his failure to back a truly independent investigation of July 7 to see that he will only back a new 9/11 investigation when he figures it is safe and in his political interests to do so or when he receives his orders from on high.
Sorry to be negative, but I reckon we have more chance of converting the gorgeous one than 'red ken' |
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There is no way that Ken will do anything of the sort. He has a case to answer as to why he awarded the contract for London Underground security to Verint without any public consultation.
The best way for us to get a 911 inquiry and a 77 inquiry is to put up a candidate for London Mayor and for the London assembly.
That way anyone who agrees with a public enquiry would vote for that end.
A siiting member on the London assembly would have the right to demand this.
Ken is a thoroughly bad Mayor and always has been.
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| Gawd! what a jaundiced lot you all are! Kens' hero el Preesidente Hugo Chavez has hosted an international 9/11 enquiry and what better way to light a fire under the neocon crazy bushite US embassador who refuses to pay the congestion charge? Worth a letter shurely? |
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http://www.bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=11189
Ken Livingstone is not going to play ball
But he does have some positive things to say:
"I think you've just had 80 years of western intervention into predominantly Arab lands because of the western need for oil.
We've propped up unsavoury governments, we've overthrown ones we didn't consider sympathetic.
And I think the particular problem we have at the moment is that in the 1980s ... the Americans recruited and trained Osama Bin Laden, taught him how to kill, to make bombs, and set him off to kill the Russians and drive them out of Afghanistan.
They didn't give any thought to the fact that once he'd done that he might turn on his creators.
A lot of young people see the double standards, they see what happens in Guantanamo Bay, and they just think that there isn't a just foreign policy. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4698963.stm
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: Prior to Verint... |
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He handed the London job to a CIA man in the form of Kiley.
No bombs had ever gone off before the Yanks and their associates had top jobs given to them.
Something akin to the takeover of the City of London by US finance. As well as the Bilderberg-neo con wing of the Labour Party.
Livingstone is as 'red' as Abramovich. |
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Prior to Verint... |
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| conspirator wrote: | He handed the London job to a CIA man in the form of Kiley.
No bombs had ever gone off before the Yanks and their associates had top jobs given to them.
Something akin to the takeover of the City of London by US finance. As well as the Bilderberg-neo con wing of the Labour Party.
Livingstone is as 'red' as Abramovich. |
If, as you suggest, Ken is 'one of them' why are they reneging on the congestion charge?  |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Prior to Verint... |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | | conspirator wrote: | He handed the London job to a CIA man in the form of Kiley.
No bombs had ever gone off before the Yanks and their associates had top jobs given to them.
Something akin to the takeover of the City of London by US finance. As well as the Bilderberg-neo con wing of the Labour Party.
Livingstone is as 'red' as Abramovich. |
If, as you suggest, Ken is 'one of them' why are they reneging on the congestion charge? |
Americans are the worlds overlords.
Why should they pay and who will force them to pay?
Livingstone?
Brown is coming in, a little anti-americanism sounds good on the radio to get people to feel that the poodle has gone. Ken is playing politics deflecting away the criticisms for still having Kiley on the payroll. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: Kiley ... Mega alcohol issues |
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Former transport chief describes his new role: £3,200 a day for doing not much
£3k-a-day Tube chief admits: I'm an alcoholic
He admits drink problem but denies it affected work
Any possibility that Kiley's alcoholism is an attempt to seek an emotional escape from his unwitting(?) participation in perpetrating the events of 7/7? Like Peter Power, he may not have realised his 'involvement' until after the event ... but he isn't exactly rushing forward to share any pre-7/7 discussions he had on the various 'exercises' taking place that day!
Oh so reminiscent of the 15+ excercises co-incidentally being conducted on 9/11.
Based upon the tragic circumstances surrounding the death of his first wife and two young sons, my guess is that Kiley's problems with alcohol were well known when he was appointed as Commisioner of Transport for London; making him vulnerable from the outset. The ideal implant for facilitating a Black op'!
The following article from www.thisislondon.co.uk :
| Quote: | The man brought in by Ken Livingstone to transform London's transport system admits today that he is an alcoholic.
Bob Kiley, 72, says he starts drinking vodka in the afternoons, "and once I've lost control it's hard to pull back".
Mr Kiley also admits he does little to earn the £3,200-a-day fee he gets as a consultant for Transport for London.
And Mr Kiley, who quit as transport commissioner last year, speaks for the first time about the car crash 30 years ago in which his wife and two sons died.
"I'm an alcoholic," he says. "But I'm not going to make excuses and say the reason is because I lost my family because, facts are, I always liked a drink. It is true, though, that things have got worse now that I'm not exactly overworked. I've always had high-pressure jobs that kept me extremely busy; now that I've got time on my hands, I start drinking."
But, he said: "I hope it hasn't got to the point where I'm perceived as a drunkard." The American said he is attending Alcoholics Anonymous meetings as he faces up to his problem.
He added: "Most people who know me well know I'm alcoholic, so why should I worry about the rest of the world? I'm dealing with it. Physically I'm still in pretty good shape. I'm up every morning at six-ish and out on the road running a couple of miles by 7am."
In a frank interview published in full in today's Evening Standard, he admits that his consultancy fees, which translate to an annual salary of £737,000, are difficult to justify.
He said: "If you ask me what I actually do to earn my consultancy, I'd have to tell you, in all honesty, 'not much'. " Mr Kiley earned £3.9 million during his time as transport commissioner and continues to live rent free in a graceandfavour Belgravia townhouse. He got a £2million severance deal and he was retained as a 90 day a year consultant to the Mayor after he quit.
Mr Kiley spoke out to counter rumours that his alcoholism affected his job. He said: "My drink didn't affect my work while I was fulltime employed, and anyone who says it did is talking bulls**t."
Describing the moment he heard about the crash which killed his family, he said: "There had been a terrible accident on the outskirts of New York. Two or three cars were involved. In one of them was my wife, Patricia - we'd been married 15 years - and my sons, David and Christopher, aged three and five. They died instantly. That's it. In a stroke, my whole family vanished. What I've been through, it's indescribable."
A few years later he met Rona, his current wife. She helped him through the nightmares he was plagued with and they have two sons.
www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23390636-details/%C2%A33k-a-day+Tu be+chief+admits:+I'm+an+alcoholic/article.do |
Other Source: www.politics.guardian.co.uk/gla/story/0,,2045098,00.html
... and just who is Rona Kiley? Check out her involvement in a blatant US propaganda organisation which goes by the name of Teach for America. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach_First
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Is 'Red Ken' a communist?
We know John 'Homeland Security' Reid 'was'
Just how many 'former' communists reside in Westminster? I have anecdotal that our Borough is stuffed with them. Is this typical of the UK.
Reason I ask is
http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?p=645880&posted=1
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At the Sixth Party Congress held in Moscow in 1928, Communists wrote and approved “The Program” to bring in the New World Order
Soviet dictator Vladimir Lenin had total contempt for human life. In the name of peace and “the social good,” he murdered millions.
Bill Clinton, Al Gore, former President George Bush, Mikhail Gorbachev, and other New World Order architects are relentlessly pursuing the “Program of the Third International adopted at the Sixth Party Congress in Moscow in 1928. The new communitarian masters are seducing Americans into the New World Order and carrying the communistic, global environmental program to its conclusion—a world police state.
In November 1987, Mikhail Gorbachev stated, “In October 1917, we parted with the Old World, rejecting it once and for all. We are moving toward a new world, the world of Communism. We shall never turn off that road.”
In 1989, Gorbachev said, “I am a Communist, a convinced Communist.” The next year, even as he was being acclaimed for bringing the Communist system to an end, he declared, “I am now, just as I’ve always been, a convinced Communist. It’s useless to deny the enormous and unique contribution of Marx, Engels and Lenin...to modern civilization as a whole.”
In 1995, Gorbachev’s State of the World Forum brought together over 400 global notables, including many members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Admiral Chester Ward, Judge Advocate General for the Navy and a member of the CFR for 16 years, said that the CFR was created for the “purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government.” He observed that “this lust to surrender the sovereignty and independence of the United States is pervasive throughout most of the membership....”
For decades, the Communists have been waging all-out, psychological warfare against the United States, not only without any real opposition, but over the past seven years with the active help of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and their communitarian associates. The targets of their murderous, full-scale, psychological war are the American people. Communists have attacked America’s founding principles and ideals, including principled individualism and economic freedom. Our American view and way of life, our American institutions, our constitutional system are being battered into oblivion. They’re being replaced by the Communist moral code, by the Communist communitarian system, by the Communist way of life. This is the real cause of America’s disintegration.
America is becoming a full-blown communitarian society. In the name of saving the environment, Communist environmentalists are attacking property rights. Most communities now have community police, and, just as in other communitarian societies, community Thought Police are increasingly being used to detect, investigate, and report “suspicious activities,” “political crimes,” “hate crimes,” and “anti-social” behavior. Anti-social behavior is defined as failing to yield to governmental authority for the good of the comIn the name of group rights, communitarian masters are destroying individual rights. In the name of saving “the Children,” they are breaking down ties of family, country, and religion. In the name of “public safety” and “crime prevention,” they are producing chaos, hatred, and distrust.
if there is a potential threat to this country’s security, such as an economic crisis or growing international tension. FEMA would take charge and would use the community system to facilitate its efforts to gain total control over every person, place, and thing in this country. The seizure of authority would be followed by convergence of the Soviet and American systems.
Today, most Americans are embracing the communitarian moral code, and this country is now in a process of disintegration, making it vulnerable to a takeover. Communists have sought to degrade the nation and to produce the maximum chaos. Communist psychological warfare has wrecked havoc in the lives and families of virtually all Americans. Human casualties—the drug addicts, criminals, alcoholics, suicides, neurotics, psychotics, the ignorant and the illiterate—number in the tens of millions.
Since 1992, when Clinton and Gore began their bombardment of communitarian propaganda, teenage drinking and drug use has soared. |
My bold. And this was written before Bush II annd 911
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| Quote: | SNIPs:
At the Sixth Party Congress held in Moscow in 1928, Communists wrote and approved “The Program” to bring in the New World Order
Soviet dictator Vladimir Lenin had total contempt for human life. In the name of peace and “the social good,” he murdered millions.
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This is worthy of comment.
The first use of the phrase of New Order was done by Hitler.
Stalins domination of the Com Party in the Soviet Union was a turn away from 'world revolution' or globalism.
Nonsense regarding the influence of ex-communists in the Labour Party and the neo-con brigade in the USA only shows where they ended up.
Most intellectuals in the 1930's in the USA were of jewish descent and were influenced by communism and the fight against fascism.
Post war they became rabid anti-communists, cold warriors and pro-zionist and american.
One cannot be a communist, a neo con warrior at one and the same time, they are mutually competing world views as the conflict between fascism and communism showed. Its fashionable now in academia to run the line that all is the same, all isms end in the same end, and what better than to start from scratch, heralding in... a new order. |
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| Quote: | Today, most Americans are embracing the communitarian moral code, and this country is now in a process of disintegration, making it vulnerable to a takeover. Communists have sought to degrade the nation and to produce the maximum chaos. Communist psychological warfare has wrecked havoc in the lives and families of virtually all Americans. Human casualties—the drug addicts, criminals, alcoholics, suicides, neurotics, psychotics, the ignorant and the illiterate—number in the tens of millions.
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Yes - those smack dealers on run-down estates are funded directly by the Kremlin. CIA involvement in drug running is purely at the behest of their communist puppet masters. Alcohol manufacture and binge drinking culture have been engineered by communists. Alcohol advertising is their invention. Mental illness did not exist before communism. They send people mad with their evil communist mind waves. The education system is devised and run by communists. Every problem of contemporary capitalist society is the direct fault of communists from abroad or reds in key positions and their twisted mind games. All people from the Labour Party who happened to be left wing in their idealistic youth (amazing they were hard left/communist orientated in what used to be a left wing party - I didn't see that one coming!) must by definition still be communists today. Once a communist, always a communist. They are everywhere. Particularly under the bed. The year is 1950 and my name is Joe McCarthy.
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I heard years ago that diplomats from many countries don't pay parking fines. They claim diplomatic immunity. Presumably the same applies to the congestion charge. This appears to be custom and practice within the diplomatic community.
So why does Ken highlight the US role in this? It's good publicity to sound anti-neocon, I suspect. If he had named and shamed the ambassadors of say, Burkina Fasso or Bangla Desh, people would have said he was picking on the poor. That would have been bad publicity and Ken is no fool.
As for "is Ken a Communist?" I don't even know what that means these days. Is he part of some sinister Cold War conspiracy run from Moscow to undermine the British state and set up a socialist one in which human need is regarded as more important than private profit? Unfortunately not, I would guess.   He seems to be well in with the penetration of US capital in every aspect of British life.
Nevertheless, as politicians go their publicity-seeking ways, I rather like him. He may have some quite genuine socialist ideals, though I suspect the realities of power give him little room for manouver to enact them. We should remember that we too are publicity-seeking and sould therefore refrain from throwing stones in glass houses IMHO.
I think the congestion charge has largely been a success and I congratulate Ken for it. |
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| Dogsmilk wrote: | | Quote: | Today, most Americans are embracing the communitarian moral code, and this country is now in a process of disintegration, making it vulnerable to a takeover. Communists have sought to degrade the nation and to produce the maximum chaos. Communist psychological warfare has wrecked havoc in the lives and families of virtually all Americans. Human casualties—the drug addicts, criminals, alcoholics, suicides, neurotics, psychotics, the ignorant and the illiterate—number in the tens of millions.
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Yes - those smack dealers on run-down estates are funded directly by the Kremlin. CIA involvement in drug running is purely at the behest of their communist puppet masters. Alcohol manufacture and binge drinking culture have been engineered by communists. Alcohol advertising is their invention. Mental illness did not exist before communism. They send people mad with their evil communist mind waves. The education system is devised and run by communists. Every problem of contemporary capitalist society is the direct fault of communists from abroad or reds in key positions and their twisted mind games. All people from the Labour Party who happened to be left wing in their idealistic youth (amazing they were hard left/communist orientated in what used to be a left wing party - I didn't see that one coming!) must by definition still be communists today. Once a communist, always a communist. They are everywhere. Particularly under the bed. The year is 1950 and my name is Joe McCarthy. |
McCarthy was right.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17401
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One cannot be a communist, a neo con warrior at one and the same time
1) Both move towards police states
2) Both cozy up to Israel
3) Both seem to enjoy culling goyim
Run that by me again.....
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| rodin wrote: | One cannot be a communist, a neo con warrior at one and the same time
1) Both move towards police states
2) Both cozy up to Israel
3) Both seem to enjoy culling goyim
Run that by me again..... |
If McCarthy was right and he chased communists for the alleged crimes you quote what does that make him?
One cannot be a detainee of Guantanamo and be a supporter of the 'war on terror' unless of course he is a patsy. Unless of course we are to believe America isn't aiming to take over the world, but is being led by Israel to ...rule the world. A case of the dog wagging the tail as always.
Why were most intellectual jews communists in the 1930's and then became McCartyites in the 1950's ie followers of McCarthy?
Reading a book may help you get over your preconceptions. Then again it may not.
Alan Wald-The Rise and Fall of the New York Intellectuals for instance would be a start.
Getting back to the topic.
If Guilliani was the Mayor of New York on 9/11 and was present in London on 7/7 would that imply he had foreknowledge of the events?
If so why would not that imply the same for Livingstone? |
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I think the congestion charge has largely been a success and I congratulate Ken for it. |
Despite agreeing with most of what you say earlier I disagree with the last statement. If congestion charging was about alleviating congestion one would not constantly build new flats houses and allow unrestricted and uncontrolled mass immigration which allows no room for planning for social services people also rely to live on.
If the tax was in proportion to income then it would be ok. But it isn't. It penalises the poor. There is no tax on helicopter use or private jet use or limousine use. As such we are going back to the walled cities of the middle ages where you needed to pay to enter a zone and if you didn't make it on time you were left locked out.
Going backwards by pretending we are going forwards is Livingstones trick. |
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| Quote: | | Why were most intellectual jews communists in the 1930's and then became McCartyites in the 1950's ie followers of McCarthy? |
Is this true?
| Quote: | | Alan Wald-The Rise and Fall of the New York Intellectuals |
Never even heard of it far less read it. Googling Alan Wald
http://hnn.us/articles/1514.html
| Quote: | As a scholar researching for several decades the migration of United States intellectuals from Left to Right, I have been startled by the large number of journalistic articles making exaggerated claims about ex-Trotskyist influence on the Bush administration that have been circulating on the internet and appearing in a range of publications. I first noticed these in March 2003, around the time that the collapse of Partsian Review magazine was announced, although some may have appeared earlier.
One of the most dismaying examples can be found in the caricatures presented in Michael Lind's "The Weird Men Behind George W. Bush's War" that appeared in the April 7, 2003 issue of the New Statesman. Lind states that U.S. foreign policy is now being formulated by a circle of "neoconservative defence intellectuals," and that "most " are "products of the largely Jewish-American Trotskyist movement of the 1930s and 1940s...." Moreover, Lind claims that their current ideology of "Wilsonianism" is really Trotsky's theory of the permanent revolution mingled with the far-right Likud strain of Zionism." |
Oh Alan says so - all these articles can't have any substance then?
| Quote: | | When the country began shaking itself loose from the McCarthyite repression in the mid-1950s, rational and humane liberals, such as Professors Walter Rideout in The Radical Novel in the United States (1956) and Daniel Aaron in Writers on the Left (1961), sought to reinscribe mainly the 1930s activities of a range of novelists and literary critics as a worthy if troubled episode in our cultural history. Their books were followed in the early 1960s by a wave of reminiscences of eminent intellectuals who had somehow survived the McCarthyite purge of our cultural life and who sought to rehabilitate their own records through nostalgic accounts of youthful radicalism -- Matthew Josephson, Malcolm Cowley, Granville Hicks, Alfred Kazin, Edward Dahlberg, and Max Eastman, among others. |
http://zena.secureforum.com/Znet/ZMag/articles/june95wald.htm
My bold > Sounds like re-write history, something they seem pretty good at unsurprisingly since they control the press and also to a large extent (due to their siuperior intellect) acdemia.
Who are z-net?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_Communications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Sargent
| Quote: | | Lydia Sargent (born 10 January 1942) is a longtime radical American feminist. She is a writer, author, playwright, and actor. She was a founder and original member of the South End Press Collective. She organizes the Z Media Institute every year as well as teaching classes there. |
Feminism well known NWO ploy (see Makow)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Albert
| Quote: | Michael Albert (born April 8, 1947) is a longtime activist, speaker, and writer, is co-editor of ZNet, and co-editor and co-founder of Z Magazine. He also co-founded South End Press and has written numerous books and articles. He developed along with Robin Hahnel the economic vision called participatory economics, or parecon for short.
Albert identifies himself as a market abolitionist[1] and favors democratic participatory planning as an alternative.[2] |
ie Collectivist (we know democracy = enslavement)
like *that* with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hahnel
| Quote: | Books
Unorthodox Marxism with M. Albert (1978)
Socialism Today and Tomorrow with M. Albert (1981)
Marxism and Socialist Theory with M. Albert (1981)
Looking Forward with M. Albert (1990)
The Political Economy of Participatory Economics with M. Albert (1991)
Panic Rules (1999)
ABC's of Political Economy (2003)
Economic Justice and Democracy: From Competition to Cooperation (2005) |
Wald roots?
| Quote: | 1909: Jacob Schiff founds the National Advancement for the Association of the Coloured People (NAACP). This was done to incite black people into roiting, looting and other forms of disorder, in order to cause a rift between the black and white communities. Jewish historian, Howard Sachar, states the following in his book, "A History of the Jews in America,"
"In 1914, Professor Emeritus Joel Spingarn of Columbia University became chairman of the NAACP and recruited for its board such Jewish leaders as Jacob Schiff, Jacob Billikopf, and Rabbi Stephen Wise."
Other Ashkenazi Jew co-founders included Julius Rosenthal, Lillian Wald and Rabbi Emil G. Hirsch. It was not until 1920 that the NAACP appointed its first black president, James Weldon Johnson. |
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
So is Wald a gatekeeper for Rothschild?
On Fascism and Communism
| Quote: | 1848: Karl Marx, an Ashkenazi Jew, publishes, "The Communist Manifesto." Interestingly at the same time as he is working on this, Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was writing the antithesis which would form the basis for Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzsche's, "Nietzscheanism." This Nietzecheanism was later developed into Fascism and then into Nazism and was used to forment the first and second world wars.
Marx, Ritter, and Nietzsche were all funded and under the instruction of the Rothschilds. The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger factions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other, and particularly, to destroy all political and religious institutions. The same plan put forward by Weishaupt in 1776. |
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I think the congestion charge has largely been a success and I congratulate Ken for it. |
I strongly disagree with this.
In what way has the congestion charge been a success?
London is far more congested today than ever.
To make a five mile journey in London by car takes an hour.
Congestion and pollution has never been worse.
Whenever i travel to central London i take the tube. It is impossible to drive anywhere anymore unless you do so at night time when the roads are empty. In fact manuy lorry companies now only travel at night and many goods retailers deliver to peoples houses now on sundays as monday to saturday 8am to 7pm London is one huge traffic jam.
How does sitting in a long traffic jam help reduce pollution?
The congestion charge is simply another stealth tax.
Since Labour came to power they have built no new roads, they have prevented existing roads from being used properly by imposing bus lanes even in the most inappropriate locations.
Labour party donors CAPITA group and the backhanders paid to Labour ministers have been the only beneficiaries of the congestion charge.
Please ask any owner of any business based in central London if the congestion charge has been good.
Ask any motorist who drives anywhere in London if the congestion charge has been good.
Jobs have moved out of London as a result of it.
Allow me to remind people. Before the congestion charge it was pretty hard to drive to central London anyway. Parking costs are higher than taking a taxi there and back. Everyone now who wants to visit freinds withing the zone simply goes after 6pm meaning the centre of london now has traffic 24 hours a day.
Ken Livingstone has outsourced everything and awarded every contract to swiss and american companies.
Ken Livingstone has BLOCKED the use of alternative fuels.
He blocked lorries from using chicken fat.
He blocked taxis from using bio diesal
and he blocked minicabs from using LPG
ask yourselves this in London there are 180,000 minicabs and 20,000 taxis as well as dial a ride minibuses and buses and other vehicles controlled by Ken Livingstone directly.
How many of these vehicles are 'clean'
i can tell you less than 100 minicabs are either hybrid or lpg
no taxis are hybrid or lpg
Livingstone has the power to make 100% of these vehicles clean but instead has imposed barriers and restrictions on their use.
bus fares in London are now £2 a single trip
tube fares are now £7.60 a return ticket
a bus journey can take 2 hours
standing room only
travel on the tube and your nostrils are filled with black snot even after a short journey. Tube is very reliable though but is it healthy?
overground is to be avoided because anytime i have tried it in the past trains are cancelled and you end up waiting ages for the train to arrive, i always used to be late for work if i travelled by rail.
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| conspirator wrote: | If Guilliani was the Mayor of New York on 9/11 and was present in London on 7/7 would that imply he had foreknowledge of the events?
If so why would not that imply the same for Livingstone? |
Yes. If he was in New York on 911...
Was he? Not as far as I know. And had he NOT been in London on 7/7 that would have raised eyebrows...
Didn't Ken get into bovver for name-calling? Nazi slander or something?
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I've never heard stuff about Nietzsche being 'funded;, but the blunt fact he had nothing to do with inventing fascism. He hated the proto-fascist racialist ideologies of the day and despised anti-semitism. He was nevertheless aware how easily his ideas could be twisted - in ecce homo (his last book), amid the cracking chapter titles like "Why I am so clever" and "Why I am so wise", he actually wrote a passage explicitly predicting his ideas would be used for grim purposes (can look it up at home later if need be). I sure someone can interpret that characteristic perceptiveness as 'inside knowledge'. His connection to nazism came from his sister Elizabeth. She was a bit of a proto-fascist whose hubby set up some white supremacist colony in (I think) Paraguay - somewhere in South America at any rate. Freddie wasn't impressed. Funnily enough, they all ended up as inbred yokels - d'oh! Anyway, Lizzie acted as guardian for Freddie when we went mad. IIRC she even met Hitler. She compiled the book Will to Power from the bits of his writings that fit her ideas best. People argue about how 'valid' this book is, but this particular book was used a lot by the Nazis. But the concepts of will to power and the 'overman' are much misunderstood and have jack nonsense to do with fascism. They are antithetical to it. At any rate, if you want to form conspiracy theories, you really need to base them around his sister. Which the quote in question, not knowing what the hell it's talking about, doesn't.
Freddie said some hardcore stuff but interpreting his ideas as having anything to do with fascism is just lazily buying into an old myth. And there is no such thing as 'Nietzscheanism' - the very notion totally contradicts the very thrust of Freddie's thinking. Still - people still think what Karl Marx said has a lot to do with Bolshevism or what Adam Smith said has a whole whole lot to do with modern global capitalism.
What Karl Ritter has to do with forimg the 'basis' for Freddies ever evolving ideas is beyond me. What antithesis to Freddie is this, then?
What do you think of feminism, Rodin? Just curious.
Oh - the NAACP was formed to 'spread disorder', huh? I don't know where to begin on that one. You don't half quote some bibble.
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| rodin wrote: | | Quote: | | Why were most intellectual jews communists in the 1930's and then became McCartyites in the 1950's ie followers of McCarthy? |
Is this true?
| Quote: | | Alan Wald-The Rise and Fall of the New York Intellectuals |
Never even heard of it far less read it. Googling Alan Wald
http://hnn.us/articles/1514.html
| Quote: | As a scholar researching for several decades the migration of United States intellectuals from Left to Right, I have been startled by the large number of journalistic articles making exaggerated claims about ex-Trotskyist influence on the Bush administration that have been circulating on the internet and appearing in a range of publications. I first noticed these in March 2003, around the time that the collapse of Partsian Review magazine was announced, although some may have appeared earlier.
One of the most dismaying examples can be found in the caricatures presented in Michael Lind's "The Weird Men Behind George W. Bush's War" that appeared in the April 7, 2003 issue of the New Statesman. Lind states that U.S. foreign policy is now being formulated by a circle of "neoconservative defence intellectuals," and that "most " are "products of the largely Jewish-American Trotskyist movement of the 1930s and 1940s...." Moreover, Lind claims that their current ideology of "Wilsonianism" is really Trotsky's theory of the permanent revolution mingled with the far-right Likud strain of Zionism." |
Oh Alan says so - all these articles can't have any substance then?
| Quote: | | When the country began shaking itself loose from the McCarthyite repression in the mid-1950s, rational and humane liberals, such as Professors Walter Rideout in The Radical Novel in the United States (1956) and Daniel Aaron in Writers on the Left (1961), sought to reinscribe mainly the 1930s activities of a range of novelists and literary critics as a worthy if troubled episode in our cultural history. Their books were followed in the early 1960s by a wave of reminiscences of eminent intellectuals who had somehow survived the McCarthyite purge of our cultural life and who sought to rehabilitate their own records through nostalgic accounts of youthful radicalism -- Matthew Josephson, Malcolm Cowley, Granville Hicks, Alfred Kazin, Edward Dahlberg, and Max Eastman, among others. |
http://zena.secureforum.com/Znet/ZMag/articles/june95wald.htm
My bold > Sounds like re-write history, something they seem pretty good at unsurprisingly since they control the press and also to a large extent (due to their siuperior intellect) acdemia.
Who are z-net?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_Communications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Sargent
| Quote: | | Lydia Sargent (born 10 January 1942) is a longtime radical American feminist. She is a writer, author, playwright, and actor. She was a founder and original member of the South End Press Collective. She organizes the Z Media Institute every year as well as teaching classes there. |
Feminism well known NWO ploy (see Makow)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Albert
| Quote: | Michael Albert (born April 8, 1947) is a longtime activist, speaker, and writer, is co-editor of ZNet, and co-editor and co-founder of Z Magazine. He also co-founded South End Press and has written numerous books and articles. He developed along with Robin Hahnel the economic vision called participatory economics, or parecon for short.
Albert identifies himself as a market abolitionist[1] and favors democratic participatory planning as an alternative.[2] |
ie Collectivist (we know democracy = enslavement)
like *that* with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hahnel
| Quote: | Books
Unorthodox Marxism with M. Albert (1978)
Socialism Today and Tomorrow with M. Albert (1981)
Marxism and Socialist Theory with M. Albert (1981)
Looking Forward with M. Albert (1990)
The Political Economy of Participatory Economics with M. Albert (1991)
Panic Rules (1999)
ABC's of Political Economy (2003)
Economic Justice and Democracy: From Competition to Cooperation (2005) |
Wald roots?
| Quote: | 1909: Jacob Schiff founds the National Advancement for the Association of the Coloured People (NAACP). This was done to incite black people into roiting, looting and other forms of disorder, in order to cause a rift between the black and white communities. Jewish historian, Howard Sachar, states the following in his book, "A History of the Jews in America,"
"In 1914, Professor Emeritus Joel Spingarn of Columbia University became chairman of the NAACP and recruited for its board such Jewish leaders as Jacob Schiff, Jacob Billikopf, and Rabbi Stephen Wise."
Other Ashkenazi Jew co-founders included Julius Rosenthal, Lillian Wald and Rabbi Emil G. Hirsch. It was not until 1920 that the NAACP appointed its first black president, James Weldon Johnson. |
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
So is Wald a gatekeeper for Rothschild?
On Fascism and Communism
| Quote: | 1848: Karl Marx, an Ashkenazi Jew, publishes, "The Communist Manifesto." Interestingly at the same time as he is working on this, Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was writing the antithesis which would form the basis for Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzsche's, "Nietzscheanism." This Nietzecheanism was later developed into Fascism and then into Nazism and was used to forment the first and second world wars.
Marx, Ritter, and Nietzsche were all funded and under the instruction of the Rothschilds. The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger factions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other, and particularly, to destroy all political and religious institutions. The same plan put forward by Weishaupt in 1776. |
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There seems to be a misunderstanding or a deliberate obsufication on your part. The Communists in Russia expelled Trotsky and considered his movement in the payroll of the German secret services throughout Stalins dictatorship and they had him bumped off in 1940.
A movement of New York Intellectuals in the 1930's defended Trotsky and were known as communist anti-stalinist. They became McCarthyites in the 1950's. Some went on to receive Congressional medals of honour by Reagan.
The strong jewish element of New York intellectuals and their embracing of the cold war happened during McCarthyism. So either they were infiltrating the US state covertly to undermine it from within by becoming part of its academic and media structure and secretly working for Russia despite renouncing it and grassing on all their erstwhile friendships or they embraced the politics of the era.
You seem to assert both McCarthyites and anti-McCarthyites were identical and one and the same. Those locked up and those promoted.
Z-net is the alternative press in the USA around which Chomsky and Pilger are involved in. There is a Soros connection with Chomsky and the Indymedia network born of the anti-globalisation movement. But Soros works like the Ford Foundation, funding 'oppositional' movements in order to maintain them mainstream. The question is is the Ford Foundation jewish? Was Krupps jewish?
You lump everybody together by virtue of their nationality not by virtue of their politics and their relationship to the traditional elites. Thus you see everybody as being part of the elite from the Tsars to Stalin and all financed by one man Rothschild throughout history. Sections of the islamists come out with the same stuff. Everything is a judeo-christian plot, every revolution was financed by jews to make money and communism is the ultimate sin as it seeks to break families apart.
Capitalism needs no help in that direction it does it on its own as evidenced by the rapid growth of the one parent family a trend started in the late 1970's and has reached something like 1/4 of the population in our days... |
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What do you think of feminism, Rodin? Just curious.
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Female equality is a good thing. I am all in favour of it. But any 'ism gone out of control is a bad thing. Britain supports Saudi Arabia where women have NO rights. They cannot even drive a car or do anything.
So our current Labour government has done alot to setback the rights of women in many countries around the world by supporting corrupt dictators and extremists.
So when we are taking about women's rights it is good to remember the forgotten women living under oppression mainly as a result of our government's support.
And just to counter your predictable response.
Thatcher was the person who took women from the tearoom and put them into the boardroom. She did more to push womens rights forward than anyone else other than Emily Pankhurst.
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| Quote: | And just to counter your predictable response.
Thatcher was the person who took women from the tearoom and put them into the boardroom. She did more to push womens rights forward than anyone else other than Emily Pankhurst. |
That's it. You aren't having a laugh - you are fuc**ng insane! |
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Colin Powell and Condoleesa Rice must have done more for ...black rights since Martin Luther King and Malcolm X.
The growth of the single parent family, the rise in divorces, the fact that men still do no housework according to all recent studies, show indeed that womens role has ...'improved'. More are working longer hours and doing two jobs to survive. Family breakdown, dysfuntional families is the norm. 24/7 working has done more to contribute to this than probably any other single fact. Thatcher created the groundwork for this with relentless deregulation of all and sundry. Blair continued it.
That a few have joined boardrooms is an uncotested fact. One swallow does not equal spring. |
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| conspirator wrote: | Thatcher created the groundwork for this with relentless deregulation of all and sundry. Blair continued it.
That a few have joined boardrooms is an uncotested fact. One swallow does not equal spring. |
Actually yes Thatcher did alot of deregulation but BLAIR has done the exact opposite. The amount of red tape today is huge. It is surprising how the public seem to regard Blair as the son of Thatcher. Blair is the son of Lucifer. Thatcher did not make wars all over the world, she did not cave in to the EU despites her own cabinet being in favour. Thatcher created a manufacturing boom whereby companies like Nissan and Toyota and Honda and Sony and Bosch and Siemens built huge manufacturing plants here.
Since Blair came to power 5 million Britons have left the UK
And there is virtually no manufacturing left.
FACT under Blair people have less right than they did under Thatcher.
FACT union memebership and right to strike is LESS under Blair than under Thatcher
FACT the pay gap between men and women is higher under Blair than Thatcher
17% is the differential between men's and women's hourly pay
57% women's retirement income as proportion of men's
10% of FTSE-100 directorships are held by women
http://www.newstatesman.com/200705210029
Dont forget everyone reading this who thinks they are better off under Blair. Labour imposed taxes on your pensions and removed £5 billion a year from all our pension funds. meaning many of us when we retire will not have adequate income. This tax was opposed by the tory party. And women are disproprtionately affected by this as many have part time jobs and cut short their careers to look after children. So under Labour the finances of women have been shot to pieces.
Under Thatcher defence spending and governement spending as a whole was much lower, hence there was more money for pension funds. Companies even had pension holidays because pension funds were awosh with cash. Today most pension schemes are in huge deficit and many are bankrupt. Campanies like Goldman Sachs pay virtually no UK tax. The ownerof Easyjet Mr Haji-Ioannou boasted to the Guardian that he pays zero tax. And the owner of BHS Philip Green also despite being a billionaire pays very little tax.
I remember under Thatcher some people used to work for £5 per hour and considered it poor pay. Today you can advertise a vacancy with the job centre for £5.35 per hour and i promise you will get 100 calls every day chasing that position.
Thatcher used to practice a BUY BRITISH procurement policy which meant more jobs for british manufacturing.
Blair holidays abroad, his governement buys all its goods and services overseas and as a result our national trade deficit is at a record level.
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That's it. You aren't having a laugh - you are fuc**ng insane! |
I really dont know why you bother. You have made over 1000 posts and you still dont have anything to say. Better you keep your gob shut. 1000 posts and most of them are one liners.
Dont be shy - argue your position. Talk about Roker Roar more like a little wimper.
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