1) Zionism - there are a disproportionate number of Jews or Zionists in control of our filthy lying media. There are lists that prove this. To argue otherwise is to lose credibility as a seeker of truth.
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Now no argument from me that the mainstream media is highly controlled and systematically lies and distorts the truth and that many of the people who have most influence (the owners and senior editors) knowingly participate in this deception. Here we are talking about a handful of media barons and it is true that many of them are openly supportive of Israel and zionism
However great care needs to taken in what evidence is presented to illustrate this. I know the lists to which you refer to. They are proof of nothing. Listing the people who work in the media who happen to be jewish proves absolutely nothing and could very easily be interpretted by itself as being anti-jewish. .
The U.S. Tax Court is only a short cab ride from the Washington bureau of Newhouse Newspapers, but the dedicated news hounds there employed somehow have managed to miss the compelling tale just concluded in the courtroom. This demonstrates puzzling news judgment, for the several million readers of the chain's twentysix newspapers doubtless would find instructive an exploration of the government's accusation that the Newhouse family has dodged more than $1 billion in taxes.
Hi Jeff - I am Jewish and I take exception to some of the articles you post on your site. However, this particular article is staggering in its implications. It is said there are less than 15 million Jews on the planet. Most of us...and I know a lot of people... are kind, normal and not megalomaniacal in our approach to life. When someone of ANY religious or political persuasion reads this story and then also factors in the dominance of Jews in finance and the economy, government, science, the medical profession, the legal profession - in fact all the professions - one has to come away pondering how such staggering influence has been acquired by such a microscopic percent of the world's 7 BILLION people. For ANY group to wield such power clearly and obviously injects profound bias and skewing into all areas of a nation so dominated. Is there a Zionist/Jewish bias in Western society and especially the US? Is grass green? It is often whispered that Baron Rothschild really owns and controls Great Britain. It is reported that 7 of the 8 oligarch/gangsters who control most of Russia are Jews ...probably hard core Zionists. (Maybe Putin is trying to prevent a total Zionist takeover of Russia with the Lukos oil magnate's arrest?) And then look at the Zionist Jewish near domination of the Bush administration (no coincidence, that) and the more than one trillion dollars the kindly American people have given to Israel in 'loan guarantees'...not a penny of which has ever...or will ever... be paid back. I could go on but it when a Jew starts to point out the facts and connect the dots, they are quickly smeared as 'self-hating' and so forth. Well, this Jew is an American first and I'm hoping you continue to post factual articles like this on your site. Thank you.
A group of ruthless criminals have used the cloak of Judaism and the cult of Freemasonry to ensnare the planet. They begat communism to further their ideals. Whether they wrote the protocols is perhaps debatable. They are following them to the letter.
This group threaten all good people, INCLUDING ALMOST CERTAINLY THE MAJORITY OF JEWS.
Who wants to be an ostrich?
Let all good people unite to throw these people into prison. Every one of them. Let us march on our capital cities and reclaim our birthrights. Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Jew, Atheist, whatever. (We can have a civilised debate on how one religion can be 'true' and all others 'false' later... over a nice bottle of Cab Sav...) _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
It is perfectly consistent to dispute one set of genocide figures and not question another.
Consistent??
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Or since you deny the Holocaust happened, maybe I should suggest you should think the Cambodian genocide was 'myth' too?
He denies "The Holocaust" happened?? I have heard him say the figures are too high but why is ANY questioning of "The Holocaust" interpreted/distorted into denial it occured at all? Is that an accident on your part? Seems to happen a lot.
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Whether or not you question the amount of people who died in the Holocaust, only a fool would suggest these figures lack an evidence base.
Saying it ad nauseum does not make it so. Already we have seen a memorial reduced from over 4 million to less than half that because its claims were investigated. Many other claims are highly dubious as well and only a fool believes something without examining the evidence. Much of the evidence does not stand up to scrutiny. That millions of Jews died in WW2 is a fact. That they were systematically exterminated or died in disproportionately greater numbers than say Poles or Russians or many other groups of people is very questionable, and anyone who does raise questions gets short shrift and can even be imprisoned. Almost as good as an admission of fraud.
Of course it's consistent. Just because you accept one set of genocide estimates it simply does not follow you have to accept any old set of genocide estimates. That's like saying if you accept that around two million Cambodians died you have to accept around twenty million Jews died just because I decided to claim they did.
On the second point, I accept what you're saying. I get lazy about distinguishing between who says not so many Jews died to there were no gas chambers to Auschwitz was like the Ritz to Hitler was a smashing bloke who got maliciously slurred etc. I use HD as a shorthand for IHR style revisionism which I accept may be too generalistic. My bad. But I'll probably do it again.
Firstly, whether the evidence 'stands up to scrutiny' is neither here nor there. I am sure that however much you may dispute the general figures, you would credit historians with more nous than making up a figure and posting it on an internet forum.
I assume your reference to 4 million refers to Auschwitz. In which case, you're right - the figures were lowered after investigation. The initial figure was compiled by a rather flawed method of calculating the capacity of the crematoria and assuming they ran at four fifths capacity to be 'conservative'. That's one thing the Soviets can certainly be blamed for, with their snappily titled State Committee For the Ascertaining and Investigation of Crimes Committed by the German-Fascist Invaders in the Osweicim Death Camp (the town of Osweicim has been there since 1270. It even has a castle. I like castles).
Nevertheless, as early as 1946, Nachman Blumental had come up with a guesstimate of between 1.3 and 1.5 million based on looking at deportations to the camp. He did opt for lower figures when faced with differing estimates in the data he looked at. Overall, this guy reckoned up to four and a half million Jews were killed on his conservative estimate.
Robert Jan Van Pelt argues that the cold war played a part in the 4 million figure being held on to for so long due to an argument about the Germans not recognising postwar Polish territory annexations, which meant the Polish used the claim that they Germans killed four million on their turf as a political policy.
Whatever, getting in to do the research at that time was difficult. But don't forget, the 'daddy' of Holocaust historians, Raul Hilberg, did settle on a 1 million figure for his own estimate. He, of course, came up with the 5.1 million overall death figure by 1961.
Anyway, by the eighties, the mellower climate in Poland allowed people a better chance to get in and do stuff. More based on tracking who ended up where and what happened to them. To cut a long story short, an awful lot of people got "specially lodged", enjoyed "special treatment" or were found to be "unfit for work". Curiously, these folks then go on to vanish off the face of the Earth. Though not all - for example there was that crowd they kept for a bit to blag the Red Cross with - the 'family camp' or 'show camp' or whatever you want to call it. You then get into all this dry stuff about who shipped who around based on what telegram and all that. It's strange how the question of who was butchered, where and when can become so dry and academic. At the end of the day, no figure will ever be truly accurate.
I will freely concede to you I am only just realising how little I know about this vast and disturbing subject. I had no idea of the depth of it, of all the academic disputes within the field etc. Give me a year or two and I might be getting somewhere. However, so far, regarding all this 'no gas chambers' stuff and wotnot, so far I am simply not convinced. I cannot answer all 'revisionist' 'anomalies' but, crucially, the stuff I have found out about turns out to be a bunch of selective quote mining, willfully ignoring things that don't fit their thesis and downright bullsh*t. That doesn't fill me with confidence for their position. Ironically, I'm thankful for it as it has stimulated me to find out more about it - though I find myself reading less 911 stuff as a consequence; maybe that is all part of the plan!!!
The weird thing is, people make great play about elements of the Holocaust narrative changing over time, yet amending history as new evidence is uncovered, old evidence overturned, or errors highlighted is exactly what responsible history is about. Which is probably why academic historians seldom join the clarion call to ban Holocaust Denial. Some of them have even referenced 'revisionist' works. It's just this 'no gas chambers' stuff simply doesn't stack up. That is really the crux; it's the systematic extermination that gives the Holocaust its horror, as with other genocides. This makes it understandable why it can overshadow other fatalities (but does not justify exploiting it for political gain as some Zionists have certainly done), though I think all people who died are of equal value.
However, banning something is simply not an admission of fraud. As I keep pointing out, those that write the history tend not to be those doing the banning. If an explicitly racist text is banned, does that mean it's 'on to something'? Of course not. To say that because something is banned it is therefore likely to be true is flawed logic.
I really don't want another tedious Holocaust debate. It's too time consuming, goes round in circles and I'd rather just get on with my own research of it. Like I said, give me a year or two and I might feel like I really know what I'm talking about. But let me ask you this -just out of curiosity - which relevant texts and evidence therein do you specifically dismiss? Why? Which have you read?
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there is a book called THE SEVENTH MILLION: THE ISRAELIS AND THE HOLOCAUST
by Tom Segev, Haim Watzman
Now this is possibly interesting. I'm agnostic on this stuff as I've never really looked into it in any depth. _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD
If Rothschild organised revolutions to hand power to an elite [b]why bother if they already had the power. .
Power begets power. Consolidation.
Rothschild did promote Marx - and Neitzche - ie Fascism and Communism. See linky on the Red Ken thread to the Rothschild timeline @ I am the Witness.
Rothschilds definitely and directly financed Wellington & Napoleon.
You argued Rothschild promoted the Russian Revolution as it was led allegedly by Jews. Yet when asked to provide evidence you went silent.
You now argue he financed Marx so allegedly Engles was a Jew in the payroll of Rothschild as well.
Only charlatans in the true sense of the word come up with this stuff. The site which comes up with it is jewwatch in the USA. It doesn't back up any of its arguements just asserts for instance Trotsky was in the payroll of every security agency on the planet because he was a jew.
Big business promoted fascism first Mussolini then Hitler. It wasn't jews, There are detailed books on the financing of german nazism. Both Krupps, Thysen and IG Farben were Germans. To allege they were jews is like you alleged Lenin was. Next we will here about the Jewish connection in Maos China and Cambodia.
Good stories but only for bedtime. Then one has to wake up the next day and face reality.
(Trotsky) was a Ukrainian-born Jewish Bolshevik revolutionary and Marxist theorist. He was an influential politician in the early days of the Soviet Union, first as People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs and later as the founder and commander of the Red Army and People's Commissar of War. He was also among the first members of the Politburo.
The family was of mixed ethnicity, his ancestry being "Russian, Kalmyk, Jewish [1], German and Swedish, and possibly others" according to biographer Dmitri Volkogonov.[2] Lenin was baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church.
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Lenin's stance on anti-Semitism
On a gramophone recording in 1919, Lenin stated:
“ The Tsarist police, in alliance with the landowners and the capitalists, organized pogroms against the Jews. The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews. ... Only the most ignorant and downtrodden people can believe the lies and slander that are spread about the Jews. ... It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. Among the Jews there are kulaks, exploiters and capitalists, just as there are among the Russians, and among people of all nations... Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob and disunite the workers... Shame on accursed Tsarism which tortured and persecuted the Jews. Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations.[40]
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Lenin remained opposed to outward forms of anti-semitism (and all forms of racism), allowing Jewish people to rise to the highest offices in both party and state
Career
From 1994–2000, Wales served as research director at Chicago Options Associates, a futures and options trader in Chicago.[8] By "speculating on interest rate and foreign-currency fluctuations" he had soon earned enough to "support himself and his wife for the rest of their lives", according to Daniel Pink of Wired Magazine.[10] During this time one of the projects Wales undertook was the creation of a dot-com erotic search engine, Bomis, that later helped in the initial funding for Wikipedia. The nature of Bomis is disputed—Wales describes Bomis as a "guy-oriented search engine" that often sold erotic materials similar in nature to "Maxim" magazine's scantily clad women. Wales disputes the statement that Bomis dealt in "soft-core pornography," preferring the term "adult content."[11]
Knowing what you do about events like USS Liberty and the Bolshevick revolution, what you you think of the impartiality of Wikipedia? Try looking at what they say about 911.
Volgogonov was an anti-communist ex-CP apparatchnik. The date on the source is 1991. No serious academic historian has regarded Lenin as being ...jewish, much less Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot.
Using Wikipedia to argue a point is like using hearsay. On the one hand you use it to justify second-hand nonsense regarding Lenin and then try to argue within the same breadth about what it says regarding 9/11. Its an american invention to deconstruct thought much in the manner of your arguments.
Here is what Marx said about jews. I prefer to use original sources instead of hearsay or second hand information:
On US jews...
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This is no isolated fact. The Jew has emancipated himself in a Jewish manner, not only because he has acquired financial power, but also because, through him and also apart from him, money has become a world power and the practical Jewish spirit has become the practical spirit of the Christian nations. The Jews have emancipated themselves insofar as the Christians have become Jews.
Captain Hamilton, for example, reports:
“The devout and politically free inhabitant of New England is a kind of Laocoön who makes not the least effort to escape from the serpents which are crushing him. Mammon is his idol which he adores not only with his lips but with the whole force of his body and mind. In his view the world is no more than a Stock Exchange, and he is convinced that he has no other destiny here below than to become richer than his neighbor. Trade has seized upon all his thoughts, and he has no other recreation than to exchange objects. When he travels he carries, so to speak, his goods and his counter on his back and talks only of interest and profit. If he loses sight of his own business for an instant it is only in order to pry into the business of his competitors.”
Indeed, in North America, the practical domination of Judaism over the Christian world has achieved as its unambiguous and normal expression that the preaching of the Gospel itself and the Christian ministry have become articles of trade, and the bankrupt trader deals in the Gospel just as the Gospel preacher who has become rich goes in for business deals.
“The man who you see at the head of a respectable congregation began as a trader; his business having failed, he became a minister. The other began as a priest but as soon as he had some money at his disposal he left the pulpit to become a trader. In the eyes of very many people, the religious ministry is a veritable business career.” (Beaumont, op. cit., pp. 185,186.)
On money
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Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities. Money is the universal self-established value of all things. It has, therefore, robbed the whole world – both the world of men and nature – of its specific value. Money is the estranged essence of man’s work and man’s existence, and this alien essence dominates him, and he worships it.
The god of the Jews has become secularized and has become the god of the world. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange.
If you continue to interpret the fact that Rothschild loved money and Marx wrote about it and that they are related politically even a Wikipedia wont save you with its dubious sources.
What Marx wrote is in the public domain. What you allege is in the figment of your imagination.
The point I make about Wikipedia is that it would appear to have a vested interest in playing down the Jewish Communist connections, therefore the fact that they are stated in articles shows it is impossible to deny them.
What Marx wrote in your quotes was surprising, but then so was what Churchill was saying in 1920.
I picked up references to Rothschild backing Marx & Neitzche from
1848: Karl Marx, an Ashkenazi Jew, publishes, "The Communist Manifesto." Interestingly at the same time as he is working on this, Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was writing the antithesis which would form the basis for Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzsche's, "Nietzscheanism." This Nietzecheanism was later developed into Fascism and then into Nazism and was used to forment the first and second world wars.
Marx, Ritter, and Nietzsche were all funded and under the instruction of the Rothschilds. The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger factions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other, and particularly, to destroy all political and religious institutions. The same plan put forward by Weishaupt in 1776.
Are you saying this is false information? _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
The point I make about Wikipedia is that it would appear to have a vested interest in playing down the Jewish Communist connections
O rly?
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1848: Karl Marx, an Ashkenazi Jew, publishes, "The Communist Manifesto." Interestingly at the same time as he is working on this, Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was writing the antithesis which would form the basis for Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzsche's, "Nietzscheanism." This Nietzecheanism was later developed into Fascism and then into Nazism and was used to forment the first and second world wars.
Marx, Ritter, and Nietzsche were all funded and under the instruction of the Rothschilds. The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger factions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other, and particularly, to destroy all political and religious institutions. The same plan put forward by Weishaupt in 1776.
Are you saying this is false information?
I'd say some guy just wrote it on some website and didn't source it to anything. I could start a website saying the moon is made of green cheese if I wanted. It's about as plausible. To be fair, he probably found out they studied at a university that Rothchild gave a donation to or something. It's like that thread about all those 'Israeli connections' from LC forum - someone works for a company based in Israel or something and suddenly they work for MOSSAD. I sometimes wonder if an Israeli can open a dry cleaners without someone in cyberspace making 'connections'.
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Seat numbers 2A and 2B were assigned to Waleed and Wail al-Shehri, two Saudi brothers who later turned up alive and well in the Middle East. Who was really sitting in their seats? Perhaps dark-skinned Israeli agents, playing the role of "Arab" hijackers, to fool the passengers into reporting an Arab hijacking in their phone calls and thus frame the Arab world in general?
And maybe it was the Chuckle Brothers wearing blackface. Who knows?
"What the thinker thinks, the prover proves" _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD
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I dont think it is any secret that the Communist system was based on the KIBBUTZ system.
However, communism is anti-religion so it cannot be described as jewish.
Communism is a control mechanism where alot of people were able to fall into the control of a few people. Animal Farm politics.
Communism killed more people than any plague or disease.
Dont blame the Jews for communism, they suffered as a result of it just as much as anyone else. They were forced to give up their religion and change their names. At pain of death. _________________
I hope no one is blaming 'the jews' for anything here.
Without wishing to put words in peoples' mouths, what is being suggested is that the PTB lay behind or were very influenetial in both the rise of zionism and the rise of communism and the true lesson is that these 'isms' are just labels, opposames that are used to manipulate and divide 'the masses'.
The common theme that unites these isms is dogma, intolerance and authoritarianism
I could make a good case for a Scottish Conspiracy. Look at the nationality of the leaders of the 3 main political parties in England. That surely is not happenstance? I mean, even Blair is a Scottish name, and Blair went to Fettes in Edinburgh. Plus of course let's not forget the Ancient Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. And of course Scots have punched way above their weight in the scientific spheres - especially in the field of mass-media deception...
Actually there may be more to this - think Roslin Chapel and the St Clair bloodline....
It is ridiculous to tar any group of millions with the same brush. All groups comprise individuals. However, I would compare Organised and International Jewry with Freemasonry. If you play by the rules you get certain club membership benefits. However, in both of these systems (for this is what they are) there are levels of initiation. And at the top there are the controllers (Ian's PTB) who make the rules and perpetuate what I suspect are myths. (Otherwise there really is an occult, and I don' jive with that - I would be interest if any here DO and why). The PTB also will give instructions to other sects and cults they can control top-down. Catholicism is also IMO suspect. All this business about having a Pope (whose selection makes Labour seem democratic) & the 'confession' thing... a great control mech. in the wrong hands. Islam and Christianity, all religions, to greater or less degree, require the suspension of rationality and the partaking of weird 'bonding' rituals. Somewhere they are all connected.
Zionism is a subset of Jewry, not the other way round. Like I say, all religions and sects have at the top people who know more than they let on. Meanwhile the rank and file either lose interest (secular), pay lip service (keeping up appearances), or fall for the myth/temptation (core supporters and beneficiaries). Some religions, like Christianity, have been through horrible phases in the past. We cannot undo this, we must deal with the present and future.
IMO TPTB is not so much a religious grouping as a dynastic one. It looks as though there are strong currents of blood binding them, some on record, some hidden. If so, this follows exactly the recipe laid down by Meyer Amschel Rothschild. He demanded that the families wealth and power remain secret, and be protected by intermarriage. Perhaps he was merely aping the Royal tradition.
Researchers have (apparently) thrown up links between EU Royalty and the Askenazi group from which Rockefeller, Rothschild and a bunch of others sprung from. Some say 13 families control the earth.
Who are controlling the press and media? They act not as the free press they claim to be but as censors, manipulators, persuaders, liars. IMO the press/media are the biggest culprits of all, for they could blow this monster out of the water. They could have saved lives and could now unmask the deception. They chose, or are told, not to.
I wish I could find a 'clean' site with a list of UK media ownership/control... but the picture is not much different.
As an aside...
This was a Google-sponsored link that popped up during a search including the word 'Jewish' (Not Jew BTW - as if we should think twice about searching for something with that word in it anyway!)
No such 'advice' when entering the words 'Muslim' or 'Islamic' or 'Christian'. Is that what in the Met would be classified 'institutionalised racism'? _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
I could make a good case for a Scottish Conspiracy.
They have even formed their own country called Scotland.
Also they have a ridiculous influence over a much more powerful country in which many of them reside.
Just saw this at the top of the Google video page when about to look for something else!
Very strange, did something slip through or is popular opinion changing?
Link _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
Off topic I know but this is also first on Google under Education, is it maybe because they know what stuff interests from cookies on my machine or is this global?
I dont think it is any secret that the Communist system was based on the KIBBUTZ system.
However, communism is anti-religion so it cannot be described as jewish.
Communism is a control mechanism where alot of people were able to fall into the control of a few people. Animal Farm politics.
Communism killed more people than any plague or disease.
Dont blame the Jews for communism, they suffered as a result of it just as much as anyone else. They were forced to give up their religion and change their names. At pain of death.
The only difference between the two that I can envisage is that one theory promised paradise after death whilst the other promised paradise on earth.
Paradise being a human construction may be unnatenable. Trying to achieve what most people believe it to be, is probably what life is about.
One of the aims of the elite is to destroy religions. One could argue Richard Dawkins, and even myself, support them in this! Then they bring in the scientific religion - the Kaballah. I do not know much about this, other than that Freemasonry, Talmud bradishers, Bohemian Grovers and Madonna all seem to be into it...
Oh and Aleister Crowley - who someone has linked recently with Barbara Bush...
Maybe an initiate could start a thread on this so we can start peeling back the layers of THIS onion... _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
I'm no authority, but there are undoubted connections between kaballah, ancient mystery schools and sacred geometry and from there into many other fields and beliefs such as new sciences, UFOlogy, new age and ancient spirituality, hidden or esoteric knowledge and conspiracies
For an introduction to some of this I would recommend the books of Bob Frissell. As with everything else let intuition be your guide to sifting through this information
I checked out some of these links. IMO its all a complete bag of unscientific psyop nonsense. If you like you can read my reply to the 'Flower of Life' thread.
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According to most groups of Orthodox Judaism, Kabbalah dates from Eden and is an integral part of the Jewish religious tradition. It is believed to have come down from a remote past as a revelation to elect Tzadikim (righteous people), and, for the most part, was preserved only by a privileged few. By contrast, contemporary scholarship suggests that various schools of Jewish esotericism arose at different periods of Jewish history, each reflecting not only prior forms of mysticism, but also the intellectual and culture milieu of that historical period. Questions of transmission, lineage, influence, and innovation vary and cannot be summarized in simple doctrinaire claims.
The proper protocol for teaching this wisdom, as well as many of its concepts, are recorded in the Talmud, Tractate Hagigah, Ch.2.
Having found no satisfactory answer to what the Kabbalah is really about in any of thiose links (especially the Wikipedia one) I did a little digging of my own, and found a definition on a site run by a Jew that makes total and utter sense.
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The real purpose of Judaism and all secret societies, Miller says, is to advance the agenda of the super rich.
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the Pharisees who took control of Judaism in about 70 AD and based it on the Talmud and Kabbalah.
They use the "Chosen People" (among others) as pawns and scapegoats to advance the agenda of Illuminati central bankers. Rather than become complicit by denying it, Jews need to disassociate and oppose this agenda.
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Western society, perhaps the whole world, is based on the secret society model. You cannot rise unless you are favored (or deemed useful) by the Illuminati, the highest rung of Freemasonry. We are in the position of the rank and file, lied to and manipulated.
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