You are all making good points about this charade and assault on our consciousness.
There was a gas cannister
8 gas cannisters were found
Some nails were found
Nails were wrapped around the gas cannisters
Its an amateur bomber
Its a highly organised operation
These people in charge of this operation of
Big Brother Calamity are totally off their heads!
Has anyone made a website yet which can be posted to show the inadequecies of British journalism today?
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1959 Location: South London
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:37 am Post subject:
My take is: PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY.
By all means point out inconsistencies in the official story, bias in the media, but don't jump to conclusions as to who dunnit: government, security agencies, Irish republican dissidents, Islamists opposed to British interference in the Middle East.
If we get a record for saying: "the government did it" or of saying "Muslims didn't do it" when ever any incident occurs, we shall deepen our reputation as "crazy conspiracy theorists" who maintain Muslims can do no wrong, there are never any attacks by Muslims (or by people with Muslim names) and any supposed attacks are always carried out by Western governments or their security agencies, who are being manipulated by shape-shifting lizards.
Mind you, once they start saying "all the hallmarks of Al Quaeda" I do tend immediately to wonder "all the hallmarks of a false flag operation?" but, despite my suspicions, anything I say publicly will be based on evidence not speculation.
Nightclubs across Britain were warned they could be terrorist targets just days before yesterday’s attempted double car-bomb attack in London, The Times has learnt.
The drama came as it emerged that a 53-page document alerting businesses to the threat posed by VBIEDs — vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices — had been issued to police two weeks ago. It had been passed on to the Tiger Tiger club only a few days before yesterday’s events.
The incident also appeared to be foreshadowed by a posting on an internet forum used by terrorists, saying: “Today I say: Rejoice, by Allah. London will be bombed.”
Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, gave warning recently that car and lorry bombs were “the greatest danger” facing Britain.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject:
We have no evidence so we should keep quiet.
mmmmm....
I might remind people that we still don't have any spokespeople who speak for the campaign and have released nothing whatsoever as a group/movement. The views expressed on this forum has been brilliant, a real community.
Yesterday's 'incident' was a film-set farce and we should ALL send it up as such as much as we are able.
IMHO yesterday is a wakeup call for that to change, and fast. If we were better organised we would have been contacting national and international newsrooms from about 10am with a reasoned critique of the story. By the evening that critique would have developed.
xmasdale wrote:
If we get a record for saying: "the government did it" or of saying "Muslims didn't do it" when ever any incident occurs, we shall deepen our reputation as "crazy conspiracy theorists" who maintain Muslims can do no wrong, there are never any attacks by Muslims (or by people with Muslim names) and any supposed attacks are always carried out by Western governments or their security agencies, who are being manipulated by shape-shifting lizards.
Nightclubs across Britain were warned they could be terrorist targets just days before yesterday’s attempted double car-bomb attack in London, The Times has learnt.
The drama came as it emerged that a 53-page document alerting businesses to the threat posed by VBIEDs — vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices — had been issued to police two weeks ago. It had been passed on to the Tiger Tiger club only a few days before yesterday’s events.
The incident also appeared to be foreshadowed by a posting on an internet forum used by terrorists, saying: “Today I say: Rejoice, by Allah. London will be bombed.”
Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, gave warning recently that car and lorry bombs were “the greatest danger” facing Britain.
A posting on an internet forum used by terrorists?
I seem to be getting confused again here, let me see if i can explain my confusion. Terrorists, we are led to believe, are using a forum known by the intellegence/dunce agencies, despite all the funds and resources to these dunce/intel agencies, and IP numbers passed on etc, and all the stalking these dunce/intel people do, they just allow them to post freely?
despite regular reports of no internet surfing can be done anonymosly anymore, we know who and where you are etc etc etc.
This reminds me of those 'I am al qaedas' and 'we done it and are going to do more because i hate your freedom' claims, posted on that american GW Bush's buddies website not too long ago, was it his site again? and why dont they close him down?
Perhaps the most revealing revelation to come out of this so far, was this gem this morning on the 'news', a truly classical quote has come, '' we have a clear, very clear CCTV image of the bomber, but we are not going to release it'' ?!!!!
This is beginning to make the De Menezes case, where the authorities assured us for months that De Menezes, was hurdling barriers, he was wearing a big thick overcoat with wires protruding, and he was sprinting despite repeated warnings to stop, seem like a truthful version of events? I notice also the 'eyewitnesses' shown repeatedly for days afterwards claiming, thick overcoat, wires protruding etc etc etc, were never traced or prosecuted for lies? i wonder if these same type of eyewitnesses have been produced this time?
As for sir ian blair saying anything, from his past record, everytime he opens his mouth its a lie.
We have no evidence.
But the news reports have little evidence to even utter the words :
"bomb" "Extremist" "Islamic", or "Al Quaida" and yet once one reporter has said this the lie has been repeated.
We have to nip this one in the bud.
Gas cannister and nails doesn not necessarily = bomb.
As someone pointed out it could have easily been for a restaurant/camping or building equipment.
Im sure it wont be long before the police rustle up a found Koran or Iranian passport. It is either a planned operation
Or
A victim of circumstance who had a gas cannister in the car and ran away.
Either way this will be used for an attempt to take away some more liberties and step up security.
Demonstration in trafalger square on the 7th!
Ok so what are the talk radio phone numbers? _________________ www.freecycle.org www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com http://www.viking-z.org/
Could this have anything to do with getting the Lockerbie-related developments off the front pages??? _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
London, June 29: London had a very lucky escape today when a car bomb, which could have killed and maimed hundreds around Piccadilly Circus — a favourite haunt of Indians — was defused in the nick of time.
What was also ironic was the dramatic manner in which art has imitated life, Indian filmmakers said.
Filming of a Bollywood movie on Islamic terrorism was disrupted after Scotland Yard officers were summoned to dismantle the massive car bomb outside the Tiger Tiger nightclub in the Haymarket, causing severe dislocation of the capital’s traffic.
Leaving aside the twists and turns in his production, which has received a fair amount of assistance from Scotland Yard to give the film authenticity
Indian movie ?
Tiger Tiger ?
29 Haymarket on the 29th ?
Ashraf Marwan, alleged Mossad spy, suicided at the other end of the street the day before ? _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
London police caught a major break in Friday's thwarted bomb plot when they found an image of the driver of one of the vehicles left in Piccadilly Circus with the help of a surveillance camera.
Residents in the British capital are among the most watched people on Earth. Since the Sept. 11 attacks the number of cameras in Britain has jumped from 1 million to around 5 million. That means people in London are caught on camera roughly 300 times a day, with the closed-circuit television cameras placed on corners around the city.
"We're allowing it because we are angry and fed up with crime and disorder," said Clive Norris, a University of Sheffield professor. "We're allowing it because we are frightened by terrorism, with good reason."
And they've worked. The cameras helped investigators locate the terror suspects who killed 52 people on London's trains and buses on July 7, 2005. They were filmed boarding a train that morning and identified using CCTV, or closed-circuit television, images.
"They have been incredibly useful to police in preventing crime, in detecting crime and of course providing evidence that can then convict criminals at court," said security analyst Charles Shoebridge.
Police are now poring over video footage from the latest bomb plot, looking for details about the two cars that were packed with explosives in central London that were found before any damage occurred.
"They can monitor back the movements of that car and also forward, where the suspects may well have gone," Shoebridge explained.
Security sources told ABC News they already have a crystal clear image of a man "staggering from the Mercedes" outside the Tiger, Tiger nightclub where one car was found.
The cameras helped investigators locate the terror suspects who killed 52 people on London's trains and buses on July 7, 2005. They were filmed boarding a train that morning and identified using CCTV, or closed-circuit television, images.
They're taking a risk flagging up that obvious photoshoppe job...
People might ask WHO NO CCTV FROM THE TUBE
And find out who VERINT are... _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: How does one get
nails in a gas cannister and then fill it up with gas?
The Trocadero which is in the background of the alleged car bomb is a hangout in the summer of Arabs from the Middle East.
Indeed AFTER Bliar attempted to impose a gated community in his new whereabouts the climate is being created to impose security checks almost everywhere. Most of his neighbours complained and set up a residents committee against him.
What security measures will this lead to? No vehicles allowed near events deemed to be a security risk?
London, June 29: London had a very lucky escape today when a car bomb, which could have killed and maimed hundreds around Piccadilly Circus — a favourite haunt of Indians — was defused in the nick of time.
What was also ironic was the dramatic manner in which art has imitated life, Indian filmmakers said.
Filming of a Bollywood movie on Islamic terrorism was disrupted after Scotland Yard officers were summoned to dismantle the massive car bomb outside the Tiger Tiger nightclub in the Haymarket, causing severe dislocation of the capital’s traffic.
Leaving aside the twists and turns in his production, which has received a fair amount of assistance from Scotland Yard to give the film authenticity
Indian movie ?
Tiger Tiger ?
29 Haymarket on the 29th ?
Ashraf Marwan, alleged Mossad spy, suicided at the other end of the street the day before ?
Tiger, Tiger, burning bright
In the forest of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare seize the fire?
And what shoulder and what art
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And, when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand and what dread feet?
What the hammer? What the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? What dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?
When the stars threw down their spears,
And water'd heaven with their tears,
Did He smile His work to see?
Did He who made the lamb make thee?
Tiger, Tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?
- William Blake (1757-1827)
Quote:
Before his death Mr Marwan was the subject of an inquiry into the sale of shares to Roman Abramovich, the owner of Chelsea Football Club.
This seems to follow a predictable pattern.
A false flag operation in the west end, followed up by further false flags in scotland and blackpool and more to follow no doubt.
Basically my take is this. Most people in Britain do not give a toss about most things, they are happy to be out boozing and clubbing and many do not ever read a newspaper and many do not watch the news.
I myself have not bought newspapers for about the last 8 years.
So how do the powers that rule us get their message across to this large section of the public.
BBC said that people in scotland considered themselves safe from terror because this was an englisgh problem. After the incident in Glasgow people now have to see the threat and recognise that it is real.
The same implication is also true of Blackpool, where people are relaxed thinking terror will only affect LOndon.
And ofcourse people flying over to Ibiza are shaken up to make them believe they are also not safe.
So my take is this, there has been a regionalised campaign aimed at different parts of the population and with the aim to bring them under the thumb accepting 90 days and ID cards and all the hell Gordon Brown is planning to put us through.
Again, 7/7 was a highly polished job using military grade explosives and bombs that went off simultaneously. Meaning many people know that 7/7 was a lie. So how to bring people back under the thumb? Well this time use petrol bombs and nails and make them feel like home grown boys next door could be the bombers and lets report on them and get them locked up for 90 days.
We need to be flagging this up to the public and the media, this is all a crock full of number 2. The Lockerbie trial is collapsing. The 21/7 trial has proven that flour and water do not make an explosive. and they need to keep people nervous and on their toes.
Blocking up the roads and filling up the airwaves makes people nervous but luckily many people i spoke to on saturday night had not even heard about anything. The level of apathy amongst the public is very high which sometimes shields them from the brainwashing.
We as a TRUTH campaign must expose every lie the governement lays on us. Promoting Peter Power an unelected spook to a cabinet post is utterly a reward for him playing ball with the rulers. Look at the timings, new PM people thinking - hoping he might be slightly better than Blair but it is a case of same nonsense different day. Now if any of what has happened is real i expect to see the following:
A petrol station cctv of a guy buying petrol
Congestion charge footage of the car
cctv from the nightclub
even the traffic warden would have a digital camera image.
and hundreds of cctv cameras would have the car and the driver and the movements all the way.
Petrol stations report anyone buying petrol using jerry cans if they behave suspiciously and to buy 12 gallons is suspicious. I know this for a fact, anytime you have an arson icident the police go to all the local petrol staions and sieze the cctv and anyone who uses a jerry can becomes a suspect.
You tell me can you drive a car with 12 jerry cans on the back seat stinking of fumes which as you know would make you high and buzzing. Petrol evaporates making the car an fire hazard FOR THE DRIVER. So u would expect he would at least put the petrol in the boot out of site and smell?
Petrol is highly inflamable so why the gas cylinders?
To explode gas the cylinder would have to heat up meaning they would pop sometime after the petrol went up.
Why would nails be shot around?
The nails would have to be stuck to the exploding canisters of gas not scattered on the floor.
And even if like in the movies the whole lot exploded at once a car catching fire and exploding will usually only smash a few windows nearby.
This whole staged event is a Scottish version of a false flag. Scots are supposed to be careful with over spending and this is a poor mans false flag.
And you remember Labour regional policy of the 1970s well now they have made their false flags regional too
The only thing i am surprised about is they didnt stick a patsy in there and call it a suicide mission.
I really hope the public sees this for the crock it really is. _________________
I hope so too Stelios.
I think there is apathy amongst most. I watched some streaming bbc news yesterday and it totally drained me with all the contradictory BS.
Yes you are right the Glasgow incident was just a way of showing the whole of the country is under threat and to make way for us to give up more of our rights.
Our silence is consent.
Rodin said
"Tiger, Tiger, burning bright
In the forest of the night, "
Absolutely. Its in the collective subconsious now i think. Its ashame cos I always liked this poem..
Its very loaded, and has lots of visual imagery and also compares the tiger to the innocence of the lamb.
Also the Tiger goes back to Colonial Britian where the "other" is seen as a wild, savage and a threat. I think all these references as well as the associations to burning, danger, and terror are all there.
This seems to fit with G Browns archaic speeches on outside threats to British life.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: What a 1st day for the 1st Female Home Secretary!!
Jaqui Smith - ex Redditch MP ( where I live)
What an unbelievable first day in office for Jaqui Smith. Many people were concerned about a woman being in charge of national security, many also wondering if she was up for the job.
Well how convenient that on her first day at work she gets the "perfect" opportunity to show that she can deal with our national security.
ALL OF THIS NEWS IS NOTHING BUT A PR STUNT - made to show that this "new" government can look after our national security but also to show how alive the war on terror still is.
Jaqui Smith used to be my local MP, she visited all the homes in redditch handing out leaflets saying how we would benefit by the closure of our local hospital, a full supporter in this closure. As soon as the Uproar against the closure came she changed her mind completely and put a huge banner on the town hall which read - "Stop Alex Closure".
I'm sick of this news now, even the daily mail which restored a bit of faith in independent reporting has sucked up to brown and the gang.
Already that car crash was an "attack". A 30 miles per hour attack??? Sounds dangerous to me!
I for one do not believe any of the news stories regarding terrorists over the past few days are true. Just a load of BS so that the uneducated masses think that labour are the bees knees.
And the reason Jaqui Smith handled the press so calml and assured is because she knows full its not an attack but a PR excersise!!!!
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1959 Location: South London
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: Re: What a 1st day for the 1st Female Home Secretary!!
StopThe9/11CoverUp wrote:
Jaqui Smith - ex Redditch MP ( where I live)
ALL OF THIS NEWS IS NOTHING BUT A PR STUNT - made to show that this "new" government can look after our national security but also to show how alive the war on terror still is.
Much as I appreciate your suspicions about this, which are close to my own, I do think it unwise to make assertions like that above without clear evidence. After all we berate the government and media for making unsubstantiated assertions, and people who live in glass houses.....
It could well be a PR stunt, but organised by whom? The security services? Whose security services, British ones or from some other government? A secret gang of trouble-makers serving the aims of the military-industrial complex by stirring up more conviction that armaments must be bought, war waged and freedom further curtailed.
Then there's the question of whether the PM and the Home Secretary actually know it is a stunt or whether they are being hoodwinked by powerful people in the background who have their own agenda.
Then there is also the question of whether there are people so insensed about British policy in the Middle East or elsewhere, that they might have organised something like this.
It sounds an extraodinarily amateurish exercise: three car bombs, no one killed, one man's leg injured, one bomber critically ill from burns. Big deal: I'm not exactly quaking in my boots, but I don't fancy the idea of flying anywhere due to all the security checks.
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Posts: 128 Location: North Humberside
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:37 am Post subject:
Yes, it's too much of a coincidence that these attacks should occur on her first day. Of course, the general public will see the recent so-called "terrorist" attempts as the terrorists placing their stamp of dissaproval at the new change of leadership and Labour reshuffle. However, these half-hearted attacks do little to justify their case as we know that real terrorists would have done a far better job of planning and not leaving themselves open to arrest if it all went wrong. Read Terrorism-The New World War by Lloyd Pettiford and David Harding. My trust in Jaqui Smith or any one appointed with a position of governmental responsibility is completety non-existent especially now I hear that she had changed her mind over the Alex Closure. Typical!
I wonder what she or the rest of her cronies have up their sleeve which will be any different to Blair's cabinet policies!
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: food for thought
Rec'd this via email -
J.B.Watson
Sent: 29 June 2007
You no doubt will have heard of a "viable" explosive device in London.
The wording makes me wonder if the whole truth is out or was it an exercise?
: - A parked car on a wet or a cold day soon mists up! Any car running on
Petrol or using ordinary Brake Fluid is a potential device. Most women's
handbags if containing a aerosol or pressurised lighter can be described as
a potential device A can of WD 40 likewise. No if it was for real why not
give it the correct and most understood name!
There are also questions about 7/7 that need answering, like, why have we never seen any pictures of the damaged tube trains even after removal, only the Bus and a few tube passenger mobile phone ones, very "atmospheric" and in the tunnel, that have quickly disappeared! There are eye witness claims alleging that the explosives where under the floor showing metal turned up hence the lower limb damage and what idiot would try to hit the same target two weeks later.
It posses the question was there more to it? like clearing the way for 90
days?
Was Menezes shot on the basis dead men tell no tales? Were the so
called 7/7 culprits "patsies" who job was to take the blame.
It's a good video and an excellent analysis. The correlation between bombs going off in London being a big deal, while going off in Baghdad was run of the mill. We witnessed the same thing happening when the IRA bombed London rather than Belfast. It got more publicity and ultimately brought more restrictive measures down upon Irish terrorist groups.
So the bombs didn't go off where does that leave theories of who benefits most from this?
When the bombs went off in Madrid the Spanish over time changed their minds and withdrew from theatres of war. Is this what was hoped this time? Bomb scotland and london 36 hrs after Brown gets in, will this make him change his mind. I don't think so,since he has been Chancellor for the last decade thus funding the war, so why would it bring change.
Does this benefit the security services. Its true private security firms will benefit somewhat but enough to do something like this. Crude devices that could have potentially killed a lot of people for too little benefit. And aren't they already benefiting from private security work in Iraq? Will the security services benefit, services such as MI5/6? They may get more money, but aren't they already stretched badly?
I would like to add when I read annies post that what was needed was intelligence. In a phone in show this morning I heard that there is plenty of intelligence available, but what they need is credible intelligence and that is something else.
I think the only thing people agree on at this point is that we all need to be vigilant. As to the theories, shouldn't we really wait to see what unfolds in the next few days.
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