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| Graham wrote: | So my ears weren't decieving me when I heard them on the news trying to link him to 911 "conspiracy" sites.    |
The Guardian also made this connection.
| Quote: | | The court heard that the former BNP candidate had begun listening to Republican Radio on the internet in January last year which detailed conspiracy theories about who had planned the attacks on New York and Washington in September 2001. |
I wonder which repulican radio, he was supposed to have listened to. This one? I doubt it some how. This one?. Not the natural choice for a BNP councillor, you would think
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2012515,00.html
Which of course is all part of the game plan
BNP = anti-semiticism = 9/11 scepticism
So for what it is worth, just to restate 9/11 campaign in this country is opposed racism, bigotry and the use of violence as a matter of principle. |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,,2118215,00.html
| Quote: | BNP men planned bombs for 'race war'
Two British National party members plotted to make bombs in readiness for a "civil war between races", a court was told yesterday.
A former candidate for the party stashed boxes of chemicals at his home after buying them online at the instruction of a local dentist and fellow BNP member, jurors at Manchester crown court heard.
However, the hoard amassed by Robert Cottage, 49, of Colne, Lancashire, came to light when his wife told her social worker she was scared that Cottage and 62-year-old David Jackson were planning to test chemical weapons in the local countryside.
"He had just lost the plot - he just started acting really strange," Kerena Cottage, 29, told the court via videolink. "What he was saying - it sounded to me as if he was delusional."
Prosecutor Louise Blackwell QC told the jury Cottage had emailed orders for the chemicals, which could be combined to make crude bombs, in September 2006.
Four months earlier, he had tried to win a seat on Colne council for the second time.
Ms Cottage said her husband had been very enthusiastic in the BNP, rising through the party's ranks during three years as a member and becoming a friend of its leader, Nick Griffin.
Alarm bells began to ring when Cottage led her to understand that the chemicals were intended to harm the government or anyone who came unannounced to their home.
"Our relationship before the BNP, it was brilliant," she said. However, she added that Cottage had become "really radical" and their marriage was ruined.
"He thinks there's a war going to happen with the culture, the Asian culture and the white culture and that Tony Blair and President Bush are scheming against people," she said.
Ms Cottage added that her husband and Jackson were "solid" friends who met regularly to chat about politics, the BNP and Hitler.
Police found guides to making bombs at the Cottages' home, along with ball-bearing BB guns, gas masks, body armour and stab-proof vests.
Cottage's mother, Barbara Cottage, told the jury her son's stockpiling of weapons was only for self-defence. "It was because he was afraid that his house or his family might be attacked," she said. "It was not to go out and attack anybody but because he might be attacked."
Cottage admitted possessing explosives at the pair's first trial in February, when a jury failed to reach a verdict on the more serious charge of conspiring to cause explosions intended to endanger life. He and Jackson deny this for the second time.
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Previous topic
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7033
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http://news.google.co.uk/news?ncl=1117793629&scoring=n
An explosives trial that's hardly mentioned online only
by Charlie Kimber
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=12310
A former British National Party election candidate and a dentist stockpiled chemicals as part of a bomb plot, a court heard yesterday.
BNP member Robert Cottage and David Jackson deny conspiring to cause an explosion intended to endanger life with chemicals they ordered on the internet.
Jackson, from Nelson in Lancashire, who became friends with the twice-failed local election candidate at BNP meetings, also denies possessing explosives.
Cottage, from Colne in Lancashire, admitted the second charge during the pair's first trial in February, when the jury failed to reach a majority verdict (see » A terror raid that doesn't make the headlines – despite chemical explosives and a rocket launcher).
Eleven boxes of chemicals that could be combined to cause a dangerous explosion were found at his home, the jury at Manchester Crown Court was told yesterday.
Cottage bought them online in September 2006 on Jackson's instructions, prosecutor Louise Blackwell QC said.
Police were alerted to the plot after Cottage's wife told her social worker she was scared they were going to test chemical bombs in countryside near Preston.
"She was aware the chemicals were intended to harm the enemy, which she understood to be the government or anyone who came unannounced to the door of their house," said Blackwell.
During their search of Cottage's home, officers also discovered a hoard of food and weapons, which Cottage told police he had stockpiled as he feared civil war was about to break out.
But his wife had become increasingly disturbed by his "radical" attitude towards Asians as his involvement in the BNP deepened, Miss Blackwell added.
A wooden target bow and a nuclear protection suit were found at Jackson's home during a police search.
The case continues.
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| This really is proof that you have to be a muslim to be charged under terrorism laws. |
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i actually dont think the BNP is involved. This is 100% Labour.
Dont forget look back at history.
1968 Labour government sent British troops onto the streets of Ulster starting the troubles.
BNP can keep it's head down, in fact they can pack up completely.
Because we already have a BNP government.
Gordon Brown is more BNP than the BNP themselves.
I dont see any difference between Nick Griffin's words and Gordon Browns actions.
In fact if the BNP was the government for the last 10 years probably LESS muslims would be dead.
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Stelios. You keep differentiating between political parties whereas they are all heads of the same hydra. BNP, SNP, UKIP, I doubt one of them is clean. Certainly none feels it is their duty to inform/warn the public of the Nazioconic plotting behind 911 77 and the WOT.
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I wonder if it was BNP skinheads who grew beards, long hair and went to the Med for a fortnight... It could be that they are learning from the Neo-cons how to fight a terror war? 
I don't know how many remember this, but around Xmas time 2006, apparently some BNP were caught brewing explosives in their kitchen(many weird chemicals found in their flat kitchen and it was in Manchester I think?) and got away with it Scot free because it did not fit in with the Muslim extremist steriotype required.
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| Bongo wrote: | I wonder if it was BNP skinheads who grew beards, long hair and went to the Med for a fortnight... It could be that they are learning from the Neo-cons how to fight a terror war?
I don't know how many remember this, but around Xmas time 2006, apparently some BNP were caught brewing explosives in their kitchen(many weird chemicals found in their flat kitchen and it was in Manchester I think?) and got away with it Scot free because it did not fit in with the Muslim extremist steriotype required.
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I do understand that there is overlap between parties.
But why do you think the BNP did so badly at the council elections?
It is because the Labour government is more BNP than they are themselves.
The current Islamophobia that exists is created and nutured by our government.
The BNP leader when he made his racist speech on the BBC a couple of years back probably did not imagine that his views are now the governments policies.
I do think there are differences between parties.
UKIP wants to withdraw from Europe whereas every other party wants to stay in.
Respect Party wants to stop the war.
While the political system has very few choices we have to choose what our conscience tells us.
Mine tells me NEVER to vote Labour and actively encourage anyone i meet to follow my example, because history has shown them to be the worst of a bad bunch.
Yes i would rather vote BNP than Labour. And trust me that is an indictment.
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Political parties are merely an illusion to give us the pretence that we have a choice. They are all fronts for the powers that be: a many headed hydra as Rodin rightly says, opposames and controlled opposition
If you ask most people honestly what they want from their political leaders it would be something like
Global peace and harmony
Global justice and an end to global poverty
and environmental sanity
Yet which party could I have any faith in delivering this. None of them. And that's not by accident but by design. Their power relies on them fooling enough people for enough of the time. Voting only encourages them which is why they are so worried about falling voting numbers and why there is talk of making it compulsory |
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Lets stop whinging about how bad the system is.
Lets set up our own party
The UK Truth Party
if you cant beat 'em - join 'em
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| yep, that's something i've been thinking about for quite a while. mind you, how many of us could honestly bare having to associate with those smarmy lapdogs in westminister if we were to get in? |
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| mark_e wrote: | | yep, that's something i've been thinking about for quite a while. mind you, how many of us could honestly bare having to associate with those smarmy lapdogs in westminister if we were to get in? |
Westminster is impossible to even buy a seat.
Councils will be hard. But you only need about 600 votes in one area to get in.
London Assembly and Euro parliament which are both proportional representation are the ones to really go for.
5% i think is the threshold to get one member.
But it is not necessarily the aim to get a London assembly member asking the hard questions. Or an EU member demanding an end to the lies during the maidan speech.
The fact that we cease to be a group of anarchists and become part of the system we become legal and respectable and our message will be TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
Like the GREENS and like the SNP and UKIP all of these have done the same thing very successfully. Why not us?
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I like the idea of a U.K. Truth Party, very much indeed. It's about time there was a REAL choice for the voters.
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The final chapter. Unbelievable.
BNP released. Asians, indefinite retrials.
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Judge discharges bomb plot jury
Robert Cottage (L) and David Jackson (R)
The men had denied they were plotting to cause an explosion
A jury in the trial of two men with British National Party (BNP) links accused of plotting explosions has failed to reach a verdict.
Robert Cottage, 49, and David Jackson, 62, both from Lancashire, had denied conspiracy to cause explosions with intent to endanger life.
The judge at Manchester Crown Court discharged the jury on Thursday and ordered the men be found not guilty.
The Crown Prosecution Service said there would be no further retrial.
The jury informed Mrs Justice Swift they were unable to reach a verdict on the charge after deliberating for more than a day and a half.
Guilty plea
It was the second trial the men had faced after a previous jury failed to reach a verdict in February.
The conspiracy to cause explosion charge was dropped for both men.
A formal not guilty verdict was also entered for Mr Jackson, of Trent Road, Nelson, with respect to the charge of possession of explosives that could reasonably be suspected to be for an unlawful purpose.
Former BNP candidate Cottage, of Talbot Street, Colne, had pleaded guilty to the possession of explosive substances during his first trial.
He will be sentenced on 31 July and could face a maximum jail term of 14 years.
Chemicals found
During the trial the jury heard that boxes containing 21 different kinds of chemicals were found by police at Cottage's home in September 2006.
Cottage, who has failed to win three local elections standing for the BNP, admitted he planned to make gunpowder to cause thunder flashes to scare off intruders in the event of civil unrest.
During his evidence, he also told the court the substances - including nitrates, chlorine, ammonia and acids - were for cleaning his false teeth, clearing his drains and protecting himself from bird flu.
Mr Jackson - who met Cottage at BNP meetings but was not a party member - admitted he had asked Cottage to order him some chemicals from the internet so he could pursue his interest in chemistry.
Speaking after the hearing, Superintendent Mick Gradwell of Lancashire Police, said the force accepted the result of the court process.
"We carried out a full and professional investigation and worked closely with our colleagues at the Crown Prosecution Service throughout to ensure that the charges we brought were appropriate," he added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/6291156.stm
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: Truth by journalists....? |
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I think, Tony, that this is just another example of the hype and distortions of the media versus the actual truth of these so called "terrorism" arrests. I'm rather surprised that you, of all people, are "surprised".
Just how many 'major splashes' have there been made by the media over these past few years of grand terrorist plot 'busts'? Yet those very same journalists are deafening by their silence when the arrestees are released afterward without charge, or the 'terror plot' cases collapse.
I have the greatest of respect for you, but you work in a corrupt and lying profession.
Anyway, this particular story is very old, the story on the BBC website is dated 12th July 2007. |
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