I thought Louise had a different agenda in the first place.
Now it's free for all are Louise and mfp set to lead us all up the garden path? _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
i don't see how the moon landings compare to what is being suggested was tv fakery on 9/11.
its proposed that the moon landing if fake was filmed in a studio, which means everything was real but instead of on the moon it was filmed on earth. = no tv fakery other than slowing the footage down(which is why mistakes have been found, shadows etc) which was not filmed by the MSM.
on the other hand tv fakery on 9/11 is saying there was no real planes, it was added graphically by news networks. = tampering and adding images to a live shot as it is happening with full complicity of the MSM.
so even if i thought the moon landings were fake that would'nt mean i'd automatically have to believe 9/11 planes was fake to, as both cases being proposed are totally differant in methods used and proberbility even if both were true.
it is'nt like the moon fakery scenerio is saying astronaughts were super imposed images that the news networks added in case the mission went wrong, because why use a real human and risk mistakes.
there is absolutely no evidence to support the massive trillion dollar fraud against the american taxpayer - otherwise known as the moon landings.
Yes lenty of astro zeros are still alive, none has agreed to tke an oath nor to a polygroph test nor even to swear on the bible that they went to the moon.
everytime they are asked to recall their story it contradicts the others which is why most of them keep low profile.
Neil armstrong has NEVER been seen.
they are asked questions like where did they defacate?
why were there no stars visible when there must have been a sky full?
no man has EVER walked on th moon
and there is no tooth fairy either _________________
I am NOT trying to lead anyone up the garden parth and i have no secret agenda i assure you.
I was saying that the astronaughts whom it was said to have landed on the moon should be confronted with this if they are still alive to find out once and for all if the moon landings were real or not.
I really don't know where you have got this idea from that i've got a secret agenda to mislead you all, i think that you should dismiss that from your mind right now.
As to whether the moon landings are real or fake well i'm still undecided on that one.
That's why i suggested confronting the astronaughts to asertain one way or the other. _________________ One sure way for evil to prevail, is for the good to do nothing.
That's why i suggested confronting the astronaughts to asertain one way or the other.
They have been confronted many times and there was a video on the Internet showing Bart Sibrel pursuing several of the astronots and trying to get them to swear on the bible that they went to the moon. Without much success. He did get a punch on the jaw though and threatened with being "waxed". The video "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" has been taken off the Internet now.
Scubadiver i am NOT going to blindly belive that everything is a conspiracy or fake because it might not be.
But then again some things might be.
After all history proves that goverments lie and carry out false flag ops on it's own people, that is concrete
But that MIGHT not be the case every single time something bad happens.
If anything or any event is in question we should exercise caution and not jump to conclusions untill it is firmly asertained what has exactly happened.
And we should analyse and disect things on an individual case by case basis. _________________ One sure way for evil to prevail, is for the good to do nothing.
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supposedly in 1968
we had black and white tv
no digital watches
a computer occupied a whole building with spinning reals of magnetic tape
no gps
no mobile phones
people driving around in ford zephur and austin cambridge cars
yet somehow they reckon we flew 250,000 miles to the moon, drove a car around on the surface stayed for a couple of days and then flew back
yet in 2007
they just invented the space toilet
microprocessors and computer technology is very advance
gps
computer generated graphics
very advanced technology
yet for some reason we cannot go to the moon, not even launch a space shuttle without faults and half the apollos and shuttles blew up
so we are to believnearly 30 years ago they were flying to the moon regularly yet today they have not got the capability to even go once.
Another scientific fact is this.
The moon does not have days and nights like the earth
each day is 14 days and each night is another 14 days
the sun shines continuosly and the surface temperature rises to 200 degrees centigrade
during the night phase
the surface temperature drops to minus 270 degrees
so how were buzz and armstrong jogging around and drving around?
they would have FRIED ALIVE
but as they had not had a nonsense for several weeks the cooked astro zeros would not have provided a very tasty meal for the aliens _________________
Quite frankly the way the goverments lie and decive us nothing really would suprise me anymore about them i don't think. _________________ One sure way for evil to prevail, is for the good to do nothing.
Pretending to spend billions of dollars on technology whilst salting it away.
Absolutely correct.
But it might even run into TRILLIONS
Louise remember the story of THE EMPEROURS NEW CLOTHES?
The moon landings are the highest grossing hollywood blockbusters of all times. watch this video, it might exokain where some of the money was diverted.
Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 137 Location: southend essex
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:49 am Post subject:
what the hell has this to do with 9/11, go to a fake moon landing site and talk about this nonsense,,, you people do the 9/11 truth more harm then good. and you give those who would cover up truth ammo to fire at us all.
OK 9/11 IS THE FOCUS ISSUE .... time runns out for us all,
Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 377 Location: North West UK
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:05 am Post subject:
paulsouthend wrote:
what the hell has this to do with 9/11, go to a fake moon landing site and talk about this nonsense,,, you people do the 9/11 truth more harm then good. and you give those who would cover up truth ammo to fire at us all.
OK 9/11 IS THE FOCUS ISSUE .... time runns out for us all,
Incase you haven't noticed Paul, all topics are welcome here. Please remember to treat people with the same respect you would like to be treated with.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:29 am Post subject:
Sympathise with your view Paul but the way you express it is going to work against you.
Cetainly the moon landings "debate" is a distraction from the real issue which is the diabolical eternal war sparked off by the collossal lie of 9/11
paulsouthend wrote:
what the hell has this to do with 9/11, go to a fake moon landing site and talk about this nonsense,,, you people do the 9/11 truth more harm then good. and you give those who would cover up truth ammo to fire at us all.
OK 9/11 IS THE FOCUS ISSUE .... time runns out for us all,
Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 137 Location: southend essex
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:39 am Post subject:
NO 9/11 is the only ISSUE, you ask me to repect people who do 9/11 truth harm, never m8. now i do understand there are many other very important topics to talk about, but 9/11 is the kernel issue its what we need to focus on! talking about moon landings is a total waste of time, don't give people ammo to fire at us all... we have to bring 9/11 truth to people everywhere, the rest will fall in to place... but fake moon landings! c'mon.. time is short, every day ppl die because of 9/11 lies...
But what would they have to gain or benefit from tricking everyone that humans landed on the moon in 1969?.
How could they use that trick to their advantage?.
What would the real purpose behind conducting such a massive trick on the people be?.
To what ends would they use the trick for?.
because it was a staged TV psyop to see how gullible the masses would be...which proved near total...hence they had the courage to try another one in 2001...far more riskier because of the internet and likely to be their downfall _________________ http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/pro-freedom.co.uk/part_6.html
NO 9/11 is the only ISSUE, you ask me to repect people who do 9/11 truth harm, never m8. now i do understand there are many other very important topics to talk about, but 9/11 is the kernel issue its what we need to focus on! talking about moon landings is a total waste of time, don't give people ammo to fire at us all... we have to bring 9/11 truth to people everywhere, the rest will fall in to place... but fake moon landings! c'mon.. time is short, every day ppl die because of 9/11 lies...
The only criticism that can reasonably be raised against this topic is that it is in "General" and not "Other Controversies". The title is clear and if you are not interested in it then avoid it. It is likely that many people believe the moon landings were a hoax but have not as yet been given any reason to question 9/11 or it has not occurred to them. Such people possess critical minds and a distrust of government and so are potential converts to the truth of 9/11. Alternatively, there are so many questions relating to the moon landings and so much research refuting the claims that man has landed on the moon that many people could be persuaded that it was a hoax if they visit the many sites that do a good job of questioning the official story of the moon landings. Once that bubble has burst it is much easier to start wondering if the US government could really perpetrate 9/11. It is the innate trust that so many people have in government that needs to be broken and if exposing the moon landings hoax helps to do that then it has its place in the 9/11 truth movement.
People are dying everywhere from Lies and always have been, our goal should be Truth and Enlightenment, 9/11 is important as it should highlight government criminality and control, but it is the tip of the Iceberg, just a lever to pull more people into reality.
Also people may be able to see through government but how can we stop their crimes? I think fighting Fire with Fire is not an option as we run the risk of becoming as ruthless as them _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
my granddad passed away about a year ago, he worked for Johnson space center or nasa back in the 1960s. our family held an estate sale, and we found a reel of old movie film in his safe. It had it cnverted to videotape-this is what it shows. I dont know what to make of it, but it looks odd to me .
I dunno if this will get me int trouble but I hope not. I felt i had to share it
9/11 being the 'only' focus is bogus. I understand why some see other controversy as dangerous to the 9/11 truth movement but they are wrong.
9/11 is a symptom to be used to expose the disease.
As an example I have been talking to one family about the Bible and this led to 9/11. In other words its horses for courses. Global Warming has been the lead in at other times. Even Spirituality believe it or not.
Something that worries me is, whilst I believe all this happened roughly as we say, it may be a deliberate attempt to focus our attention away from the 'perhaps real' issue. For example imagine if the Solar radiation was going to wipe us out. They try to forstall via Chemtrails knowing eventually many of the elite will go to underground cities. They can't have the General Public opposing all that hence the Police state. Nor can they have billions on the surface trying to rip into their cities as times get rough so they are wiping out as many as they can in the meantime. Grabbing as many resources as possible to squirrel away would be essential. Tying those with clarity up in 9/11 and Controversy might mean we have a tricky job, whereas the Solar radiation scare would really hurt them. Remember this is an example only. I don't know.
No-one should be blinkered, or afraid to confront it all. If we only ever see those responsible for 9/11 in the dock then 'most' of the guilty would walk away from their many other crimes, eg. The astronauts and anyone else involved in that hoax.
I totally support this site allowing posts on other topics and they are mutually beneficial.
Haven't looked at the Moon Landings evidence... but I now start out from the position that the official story is probably a lie.
I'm scared that through all of this that i'm going to lose my objectivity.
My ability to view situations and events objectively.
And i really don't want that to happen.
i can't let that happen.
Well you shouldn't let that happen, but I don't see how that relates to taking a good look at the arguments for and against the moon landing. Just take each case on an induvidual basis, interrogate it, make your mind up whether it is true or false - that is objectivity.
I used to have no opinion about the moon landing, I was directed to some documentaries by a fellow truther here (Andrew Johnson) and after watching them have decided that the first moon landing was definatley faked, and all the others may well have been as well (I am hearing conflicting opinions on how harmful the van allen belt is now). The reason I came to this opinion was the evidence and nothing else. At the same time Andrew has given me resources on NPT and DEW destruction of the WTC and I remain unconvinced, because the evidence does not support either at this point.
In a sense, coming to 9/11 truth does do some funny things to your world view, and you may feel like you are "loosing your objectivity" because, through the eyes of your friends and loved ones, the things you are starting to realise about the world are diverging radically from what we are told is "normal" or "rational".
In fact the polar opposite is the truth:
We have GAINED our objectivity.
Whereas before we may have called lie on this or that minor point, we generally accepted that history is correct, now we bury deep into everything we are told, take nothing the media or government tells us for granted without looking twice and form our views empirically, not through habit of following the leader.
I agree that the moon landing is not important compared to 9/11 - it was cold war propaganda, and possibly a scam for syphoning funds and little more. But the value of finding out that 9/11 was a lie is it opens your eyes up to interrogate everything else you have been told - to ignore written history and take a look for yourself about what really happened.
It doesn't mean you should believe any conspiracy - just that you treat official theories of history with as much distrust as you would treat a fringe internet theory. At the end of the day, both are equal, as their relevance or validity hang equally on the production of evidence, not the say so of those proposing them. _________________
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