Quietly but insidiously, Gordon Brown's regime is working diligently to turn Britain into a full-blown police state, the kind which Hitler and Stalin would have been proud of.
Almost unannounced, Britain now has a Minister of Security, ex-Navy Admiral, Sir Alan West.
The creation of such a post is a disturbing sign of how advanced has become the politicization of the intelligence and police services in Britain and their servility to a foreign policy created, not in Britain, but in Washington, D.C. Britain's role as a vassal state has been underscored by the appointment of a political figure whose ultimate purpose is the repression of his own people.
He has already confirmed that by publicly calling for people to snitch on each other and report each other's activities to the police. Foreseeing the time required to further degrade social values along these lines, he recognizes that it might take up to fifteen years to create. To cynically and deliberately set out to create a society of psychosis, fear and terror is to do exactly what Hitler and Stalin did. It is also the act of a traitor who seeks to take away the last freedoms of his own people.
What, I wonder, would all those who, in the defence of freedom and democracy, went willingly to their deaths in WWII think of Sir Alan's ultimate act of treason? Is this the kind of society for which they laid down their lives?
Through this despicable appointment we can see Gordon Brown for what he really is. For all his hollow talk of promoting a 'sense of Britishness' Mr Brown-nose-Bush is nothing more than another traitor.
How long, I wonder, before the docile British public rise up against the likes of these? Its famous tolerance seems now to be entirely misplaced in that it appears to tolerate those who abuse their authority and condones intolerance against the very victims of that abuse.
Britain, like America, has descended into a mass psychosis where lies are believed simply to perpetuate a semblance of normality amongst destruction and chaos; that what is being done is right and proper by a government seeking 'to protect' its people against outside threats.
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Posts: 128 Location: North Humberside
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:59 am Post subject:
What we need to do is have a UK version of We Are Change at: http://www.wearechange.org/index.html to provide a visible presence in the streets of the UK and to bullhorn departments of corruption such as Westiminster and MI5.
Is this what we have to look forward to in the UK if 'Britain's new Sicherheitsminister, Sir Alan West' gets his way!
you don't know what godwin's law is? it's one of the mainstays of online debate. that and Reductio ad Hitlerum.
basicly comparisons to hitler and nazi germany should be avoided as it strips whatever validity your argument had by evoking such a grand image and so you lose any impact or point.
"Godwin's Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi regime. Instead, it applies to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or Nazis. However, Godwin's Law itself can be abused, as a distraction or diversion, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate."
you don't know what godwin's law is? it's one of the mainstays of online debate. that and Reductio ad Hitlerum.
basicly comparisons to hitler and nazi germany should be avoided as it strips whatever validity your argument had by evoking such a grand image and so you lose any impact or point.
Strips the validity away by who? you?. or the idiot who thought up and invented godwins law, i'd never heard of it either.
i debate online at many sites, the fact i have never seen one mention of godwins law, makes me wonder if its pro semite sites or holocaust promoting sites you vistit or anti semite sites and holocaust questioning sites? i'd give them all a wide berth as you seem very confused and misguided in your contribution on here so far.
"Strips the validity away by who? you?. or the idiot who thought up and invented godwins law, i'd never heard of it either. "
i wouldn't be concerned over your ignorance.
not concerned enough to post you are not concerned.
perhaps in the interest of accuracy, strips away the validity by you would be accurate. But you represent nobody other than your own views.
Still, 1 out of 10 for trying to hijack the topic matter, you'll have to do better than that to hoodwink people on here. maybe you can get up to 20 posts a day for a bonus?
i didn't try to hijack the thread i merely pointed out a well accepted law of memetics.
pointing out venceremos the evils of hyperbole is not exactly a crime of holocaust proportions. (see what i did there?)
I see what you havant done.
thats to point out the diffrence between german security and freedom crackdowns during hitlers reign (oops have i violated your little known godwins law) and the UK security/freedom crackdowns.
Still posting as many times as you are, you have to keep it down to one liners eh?
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 1107 Location: Free Scotland!
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject:
Quote:
Instead, it applies to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or Nazis. However, Godwin's Law itself can be abused, as a distraction or diversion, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate."
And I wasn't using hyperbole. These rightwing nutters like Admiral Sir Alan West really do want to take us back to a feudal society where the rulers lord it over all of us. They are not much different, in that sense, to the aristocrats who supported Hitler. And like them they are quite happy to totalitarianize our society.
BTW, why sign in as 'lockerbie'? Given what happened there in the 'eighties isn't that rather distasteful? And while I'm on that, I always maintained that the Lockerbie bombings were not caused by Mr Abdel Basset Meghrabie and that it was more likely to do with the CIA and George Bush Sr who was then its head.
Instead, it applies to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or Nazis. However, Godwin's Law itself can be abused, as a distraction or diversion, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate."
And I wasn't using hyperbole. These rightwing nutters like Admiral Sir Alan West really do want to take us back to a feudal society where the rulers lord it over all of us. They are not much different, in that sense, to the aristocrats who supported Hitler. And like them they are quite happy to totalitarianize our society.
BTW, why sign in as 'lockerbie'? Given what happened there in the 'eighties isn't that rather distasteful? And while I'm on that, I always maintained that the Lockerbie bombings were not caused by Mr Abdel Basset Meghrabie and that it was more likely to do with the CIA and George Bush Sr who was then its head.
Now, in dribs and drabs possible CIA involvement is being acknowledged by even the mainstream media.
Fancy pointing out similarities with Hitlers society and the UK's, no no no, some poster says it diminishes its impact because of his little accepted godwins theory.
So, dont mention the many identical practices now made into law here, the same as hitler did, no no no, such a miniscule amount of people have heard about godwins theory so if you use the analogy it dosant count.
I wonder if people snitching on the false eye witness who stated that de menezes was hurdling barriers in his thick overcoat with wires protruding will be taken seriously to arrest this form of incitement to terrorism.
I wonder if we will see the day when lockerbie actually opposes any official account of anything.
just get used to his oneliners deflecting the thread starter with waffle.
thats to point out the diffrence between german security and freedom crackdowns during hitlers reign (oops have i violated your little known godwins law) and the UK security/freedom crackdowns.
Notice how this was side stepped...
Imo the comparisons made by the article are appropriate, therefore Godwin's Law in this instance has been utilised as a distraction or diversion. Lockerbie fallaciously miscasts his 'opponent's' argument as hyperbole, purely based on his/her opinion (or utter lack of awareness of the current situation) with no backup.
Quite why one would wish to invoke it in this instance is anyones guess. Some would call it trolling.
venceremos wrote:
And I wasn't using hyperbole. These rightwing nutters like Admiral Sir Alan West really do want to take us back to a feudal society where the rulers lord it over all of us. They are not much different, in that sense, to the aristocrats who supported Hitler. And like them they are quite happy to totalitarianize our society.
suspect? no surely you are mistaken, a member for 3 days and up to 50 posts of one liners, smearing everyone who dosant believe in the official version of anything? no surely not.
"such a miniscule amount of people have heard about godwins theory"
it's not a miniscule amount it's a commonly accepted term,
which is kind of why i used it. if i didn't want people to understand it i would have said it in japanese wouldn't i?
I suppose its what you accept as commonly accepted, over 50%?, i would wager that if 100,000 were polled to the term of what godwins theory is, leass than a 1000 would know what it is.
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject:
The subject of the rise of Hitler is quite appropriately raised in reference to our current slide towards totalitarianism.
Some might want to use play the 'anti-semitism' card if only by implication but we should ignore them.
Here is the most recent article by Jewish writer Henry Makow at:
Emil Georg von Stauss, the president of Germany's largest bank, the Deutsche Bank, lent Hitler a portable Remington so he could write his infamous anti-Jewish banker manifesto "Mein Kampf."
Von Stauss, a principal Nazi Party fundraiser, also was a longtime business associate of the Rothschilds.
Hitler dictated "Mein Kampf" to typists Rudolf Hess and Emil Maurice during his cushy eight-months stay at Landsberg Prison in April-December 1924. (His five-year sentence was commuted. He had a two-room suite with a view and was allowed to receive gifts and visitors.)
Von Stauss was part of a "Hitler support group" consisting of wealthy Illuminati. Helene Bechstein, the wife of the piano manufacturer pretended to be Hitler's adopted mother and smuggled out sections of the manuscript. She took care of all Hitler's expenses and hoped he would marry her daughter Lotte. Franz Thyssen, the chairman of United Steelworks sent Hitler a birthday gift of 100,000 gold marks.
This account is taken from Rudolf Hess' letters by Belgian author Stan Lauryssens, ("The Man Who Invented the Third Reich" 1999, pp.130-135.)
It contradicts the image we have of Hitler in 1924 leading a grass roots fringe party. In fact, he was a front man for the international bankers he pretended to oppose. But if we read the "The Protocols of Zion" carefully, we shouldn't be surprised.
The Secret Masonry is setting up "our own, to all appearance, off position, which in at least one of its organs will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards." (Protocol 12.11)
Both Nazism and Communism were fake opposition concocted by Illuminati bankers. As we are dragged kicking and screaming into the next world war, let's recall that the people who issue our currency are behind every war and control both sides.
DEUTSCH BANK, VON STAUSS AND ROTHSCHILDS
The Deutsch Bank helped to create Hitler because he represented war profit. (Branch managers and executives belonged to the Nazi Party.) During the Second World War, the Deutsche Bank profited when it took over banks and industries in occupied countries, "Aryanized" Jewish-owned businesses, and confiscated Jewish accounts. (See Harold James, "The Deutsche Bank and the Nazi Economic War Against the Jews" 2001.)
Before becoming president of the bank, Von Stauss was General Director of Steaua Romana, a Romanian oil company owned by the bank. He was Managing Director of the European Petroleum Union, (EPU), an oil cartel. The E.P.U. was "an international association of industrialists whose object was to make the greatest possible profit on their products."
The EPU represented the Rothschild interests, the Nobel interests and the Deutsche Bank interests. The latter two probably included Rothschild interests.
After the Nazi seizure of power, Von Stauss coordinated the war buildup at major German corporations such as Daimler Benz and BMW, who were connected to Deutsch Bank.
One book describes him as "an enigmatic character of the Wiemar and National Socialist periods, albeit one who has rarely been given his due in historical studies." While a major supporter, he never became a member of the Nazi Party and "always maintained good relations with prominent economic figures who were Jews such as his colleague Oscar Wassermann at the Deutsch Bank." (David Bankier ed. "Probing the Depth of German Anti Semitism," 2000, pp 256-257.)
Nevertheless he was instrumental in Aryanizing Jewish assets, even those of Jews who had long ago converted and intermarried. Clearly there were in-Jews and out-Jews, i.e. Illuminati or not.
WHY BANKERS CREATE WAR
War is the centerpiece of the bankers' longterm plan to decimate, degrade and enslave humanity, which is necessary to protect their fraudulent world monopoly over our credit. This logic explains the real meaning of "revolution," and why they consider war "revolutionary."
Mankind is stunted because a tiny clique usurped control of money making. This began when gold dealers realized they could issue receipts for gold they didn't have. They became bankers who figured they could also issue more loans than they have money, by a simple bookkeeping entry.
They used this Golden Goose to take control of the world's wealth and put accomplices in charge of government, media and education. They arranged for our national governments to guarantee the paper they print.
War distracts us from this state of affairs, degrades, brutalizes, and increases debt and profits. (The bankers naturally put most faith in government debt.) Central bankers also love socialism. They buy people with their own debt.
Woodrow Wilson was a pawn of this "money power." But to save his soul, he said American industrialists are afraid of "a power somewhere, so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive" that they dared not speak above their breath.
Wilson actually identified this power:
"The great monopoly in this country is the monopoly of big credits. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credits. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all of our activities, are in the hands of a few men who chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom." (Robertson, Human Ecology, p. 166.)
CONCLUSION
War, including the "war on terror", is designed to create a world police state to protect the central banker monopoly on power and wealth. With the exception of Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, it doesn’t really matter who gets elected. They all work for the central bankers.
The Illuminati bankers sacrificed Jews when they created Nazism, Communism and Zionism. If necessary, they will do so again to create their New World Order.
Masons, Bilderbergs, Jesuits and Zionists are all empowered by the bankers. Mankind will never get on the right foot until bankers turn over their power to create money using our credit. In the meantime, our lives are shaped by a series of fantastic hoaxes, not the least of which is war.
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suspect? no surely you are mistaken, a member for 3 days and up to 50 posts of one liners, smearing everyone who dosant believe in the official version of anything? no surely not.
Lockerbie
I dont want to join in the general consensus
I'd like to think you are capable of individual thought.
But the most you do is try to down every individual thought or report in here
You may not be malicious, in which case you ought to be able to prove you are not
But imo you are
You're skirting a thin line that says you are very suspicious
Give it up or get out _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
"You're skirting a thin line that says you are very suspicious"
suspicious of what exactly?
and if you actually look at the number of threads i have posted on and not my number of posts you'll notice that i've shot down very little. the 21/7 trial and chemtrails.
"You're skirting a thin line that says you are very suspicious"
suspicious of what exactly?
and if you actually look at the number of threads i have posted on and not my number of posts you'll notice that i've shot down very little. the 21/7 trial and chemtrails.
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