July 21 "chapatti flour" bombers - 3 found guilty

[Skeptic]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2122182,00.html

[paul wright]

[Disco_Destroyer]

http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=5482608

Three guilty of July 21 bombs plot


Three men have been found guilty of an extremist Muslim plot to launch a series of suicide bomb attacks on the London transport system exactly two weeks after 7/7.

Muktar Said Ibrahim, Yassin Omar and Ramzi Mohammed were convicted of conspiracy to murder at London's Woolwich Crown Court. The jury of nine women and three men have yet to reach verdicts on three other defendants in the trial.

The terror cell attempted to detonate hydrogen peroxide and chapatti flour bombs covered in shrapnel on three tube trains and a bus on July 21, 2005.

Their murderous plan only failed at the last moment because of problems with the home-made explosives, hot weather, or mere "good fortune", Woolwich Crown Court heard.

Ibrahim, Omar and Mohammed were unanimously convicted of conspiracy to murder after a sixth month trial. They had claimed the bombs were fake and just a demonstration against the war in Iraq.

After delivering the three guilty verdicts, the jury was sent out to continue deliberations on the remaining three defendants, Hussain Osman, Manfo Kwaku Asiedu and Adel Yahya.

Trial judge Mr Justice Fulford QC told the jurors he would accept majority verdicts of 10-2. The jury reached its partial decision on the seventh day of deliberations.

As the guilty verdicts were read out, Ibrahim, 29, of Stoke Newington, north London, closed his eyes and looked down at his hands.

Omar, 26, of New Southgate, north London, and Mohammed, 25, of North Kensington, west London, both stared at the judge.

As he was led out of the dock, Mohammed grinned to himself.

[lockerbie]

found guilty in an open court with a jury of their peers.

"Has anyone convincingly demonstrated that the "explosive" involved was anything other than (uncooked) bread? "

the potential effects were shown in court, the fact that they were too retarded to do it properly isn't really important.

"The jury appear to have believed explosive potential to chapati flour. "

actually flour in itself is explosive due to it's calorie content and it's small particle size. it's why people learned that windmills need to be earthed.

[paul wright]

[lockerbie]

"They should have used ground-up dried fried Mars bars then, that would have had a far higher calorie content, though I think calorific values relate to the heat generated by metabolism."

you wouldn't get the required particle size.

and no is just a general measurement of energy. 1 calorie is the energy needed to raise the temperature of a gram of water by a degree. equivalent to 4 joules or there abouts.

and yes a good quantity of air is needed, normally it needs to be dust like (actually true for any flamable substance). or........ you could just chuck something in there to speed up the reaction.

anyway. this was an open, free and fair trial in front of a jury, who saw 7 hours of cctv and they were found guilty.

[TonyGosling]

I'm quite serious when suggesting that we could all spend a very constructive and amusing weekend experimenting, alongside those who weren't convicted, to see if we could make any of these so called flour bombs work. In a controlled safe environment.
It wouldn't overturn this corrupt judge's evil machinations but it would get it out of our system!

No doubt the judge STARED with a long masonic face at the jury as he said "I want you to decide not on whether these men COULD HAVE done any damage but whether they had the INTENT to cause damage. And we have clearly heard that they DID intend to kill and maim and destroy everything we hold dear. HAVEN'T WE!! These terrorists, I mean bakers, MUST have had something to do with those IDF, I mean Al Qaeeda bombs on the tube the week before MUSTN'T THEY! Don't you even DARE to consider that this whole trial is a farce. Don't you DARE to even consider that the war on terror is just about oil. And NEVER, NEVER watch a certain evil film made by a Muslim/Christian/Jewish fundamentalist kid called Dylan avery. Not until we've got our conviction"

[lockerbie]

"I'm quite serious when suggesting that we could all spend a very constructive and amusing weekend experimenting, alongside those who weren't convicted, to see if we could make any of these so called flour bombs work. In a controlled safe environment. "

i'll be the first to point out that creating explosives is very illegal.

"t wouldn't overturn this corrupt judge's evil machinations"

it was a jury not the judge.

[paul wright]

[lockerbie]

"Well, despite that 2 second clip on the BBC showing a lab-created explosion, purported to be an exploding chapati, which had allegedly been shown to the jury,"

you're now accusing an entire courtroom of lying?

and as two bnp members recently found out you don't need to create viable explosives to be prosecuted under explosive legislation.

in fact tony and your's suggestion could be viewed as conspiracy. i've noticed some people are paranoid of infiltration by m15 on here, if this is the case then i would be very worried over those words.

[paul wright]

[lockerbie]

"What more could they want than their dumbest of tales are believed? "

well since the jury, witnesses, journalists and artists didn't make up the tale then they have nothing to gain.

"Happened with 9/11 and is happening repeatedly"

there was no open trial for 9/11.

let's ask a question, if this was any other conviction would you doubt it so much?

[paul wright]

The only thing the jury had to gain was that the society they live in isn't bad enough to present a case based on a total sham.
Sure the 21/7 guys might be total idiots. They might well have been under the influence of Haroon Aswat, MI6 double agent,in contact with both the 7 and 21/7 crews, but unwanted for questioning by the Met even though in prison and highly available, even Bakri, currently isolated away in Lebanon by the British govt. so unavailable for questioning.
Twats,yes, mass murderers, no

[lockerbie]

you never answered my question dh

[paul wright]

If it was a non-War-on-Terror conviction, the need to secure it wouldn't be so high. So, no, depending on the details of the case.
The number of convictions obtained on false evidence, not related to terrorism but based on fit-ups and falsified police evidence is still pretty high even so, those that have been sorted after many years in jail.
God knows how many innocent languish in prison because of corrupt police investigations, or victimless 'crimes', or the need for the current regime to prove a point

[numeral]

The interesting thing is the connection to 7/7.

[paul wright]

Oh sh*it. They forgot the pepper. Hot hot hot
Line up the guilty condiments
What and boil down your hydrogen peroxide
This makes a bomb?
Obviously not as common sense would tell

[TonyGosling]

I can see we have a confused person/WoT myth believer here...

Gurgling flour reactions do not a bomb make sir.
Neither do incendiary devices such as roman candle style fireworks (without the bang) in fact.
You have been conditioned to the distortion of word definitions such as bomb.
Now anything with explosive energy is a bomb and these things did not explode.
Neither are judges clean hearted and unable to persuade fixed juries to convict innocent people.
Remember the Birmingham Six? The Guildford 4? Obviously not.

Only thing is this time the corrupt so-and-sos have much much more to gain.
This trial was one of the kingpins in a diseased bunch of psychopaths' nightmare dream to take over the world. Something they have been planning a long long time. Nay even since the middle ages.
They think their plan is about to come to its dissed fruition.
In fact it will bomb. Did you get the pun there?
Yes lots and lots and lots of the world's population will die.
But these corrupt smart-arse judges and their deist masters won't get what they want.
That's why I say they're on a hiding to nothing!
Meanwhile you nit-pick over whether to call a bubbling mass of dough a bomb or not.
Thank God a modicum of sanity which you have lost still exists outside of your piritual home, the Old Bailey.

You think like that geezer Kleig.
Who he you ask?
I'm reliably informed he was a human who went traitor in order to help Doctor Who's mechanical adversaries the Cybermen to take over the world.
I traced the traitrorous freemason Kreig back to here where I realised I may have been on to something - this is the Illuminati plan! What exactly ARE you Lockerwannabee? Man, or Cyberman? Or Ubermench?

[lockerbie]

"And there is nothing illegal about making buying fireworks."

yes but conspiracy to cause explosions is illegal. in fact as two bnp members this week proved even stocking up lots and lots of nail varnish remover and hair bleach could have you seeing the insides of a jail cell.

[TonyGosling]

Conspiracy to make wet flour gurgle has never, to my knowledge, been illegal. Until today. Can't you spot a fit-up when you see one. Or do you actually agree with the sentence?
Yes they were pretty stupid but they weren't the sort of terrorists British taxpayers money is almost certainly funding in Iraq.
Sounded to me that they were 'having a laugh' but doing so in a once proud now paranoid state called Britain.

[lockerbie]

"Conspiracy to make wet flour gurgle has never, to my knowledge, been illegal. Until today."

it is when you are doing so to test explosives.

"Or do you actually agree with the sentence?"

i do. don't be so blind to just because other things are faked, that means everything is. there are nutters out there, there always has been.

[TonyGosling]

Precisely, these guys were having a laugh, not terrorists. I don't blieve they ever actully intended to hurt anyone. You clearly do.
Lets agree to disagree before we bore each other and everybody else any more

[karlos]

[numeral]

It's a fair guess that the 21/7 guys were patsies but, folks, you should keep your eye on the ball. The OCT of 7/7 is now that the bombs were made of pepper using a similar method to the 21/7 non-bombs. The problem the OCT has got is this: if the 21/7 bombs couldn't explode, how come the 7/7 ones did?

[karlos]

[Skeptic]

[paul wright]

Still there rests that video evidence broadcast ever so briefly over the msm news that chapati flour and high potency hydrogen peroxide can produce an explosive which produces mushroom clouds and shockwaves and the like. Are there no chemists available to confirm or deny this hypothesis? The non-viability is obvious to someone with just a few operative brain cells, but seems to have been paraded as a viable explosive medium all over the place today

[lockerbie]

for those that believed the case have you ever stopped to ask why they did it the way they did?

if it was a protest why construct a "fake bomb" like that? why use hydrogen peroxide at all? taps broke? why no escape plan but a panicked flee? why would "fake bombers" not have planned for the after effects of scaring the shat out of london commuters? it seems a little odd doesn't it?

[paul wright]

It's more than a little odd
It's downright bizarre
The whole of the case

[TonyGosling]