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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: Private equity funds paying less tax than cleaners Reply with quote

City fat cats 'paying less tax than cleaners'
by SAM FLEMING
5th June 2007
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_artic le_id=459766&in_page_id=1770

Some of the City's richest bosses could see their earnings slashed after it emerged they were paying tax at a lower rate than their office cleaners.

The Treasury yesterday said it would look at closing a loophole that allows the multi-millionaire chiefs of private equity firms to pay as little as 10 per cent tax on their earnings.

Officials made the announcement after one of the industry's biggest players made an extraordinary attack on his fellow bosses.

Nicholas Ferguson, chairman of SVG Capital, said it was wrong that private equity bosses pay tax of only 10 per cent, when the basic income tax rate is 22 per cent and the higher rate is 40 per cent.



"Any commonsense person would say that a highly-paid private equity executive paying less tax than a cleaning lady or other low-paid workers can't be right," Mr Ferguson told the Financial Times.

"I have not heard anyone give a clear explanation of why it is justified."

Private equity firms borrow billions to buy underperforming companies, before cutting costs and putting them back on to the stock market several years later for massive returns.

They have been criticised by trade unions for cutting jobs, stripping assets and riding roughshod over workers' interests in the name of a quick profit.

In recent months private equity firms have been stalking some of Britain's bestknown brands.

Boots fell prey last month to an £11billion takeover by aggressive American firm KKR, while Sainsbury's only narrowly managed to fend off a bid by a consortium of three private equity companies.

Treasury minister Ed Balls has already launched a task force to investigate whether private equity firms are dodging tax. But Mr Ferguson's comments have opened up a new front.

At issue are so-called 'taper relief' rules which reduce the bill on capital gains from the normal 40 per cent rate to as little as 10 per cent the longer an asset is held.

The reform was intended to reward entrepreneurs for sticking by new firms. But private equity bosses also benefit from it, because their pay is heavily based on the profits their firms generate from selling the companies they buy.

Treasury officials said they are examining the loophole and added that an agreement between the industry and HM Revenue made in 2003 had been violated.

Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman Vince Cable said: "It is scandalous that there are many people on low or middle incomes who are paying more and more tax and yet you have very rich people paying only 10 per cent.

"It is Gordon Brown who has created this, despite supposedly being the father of social justice.

"They never thought through the implications and the way it could be abused."

Paul Myners, the former chairman of Marks & Spencer, said it was "preposterous" for private equity bosses to face such tiny tax bills when "a police sergeant is charged at 40 per cent".

Paul Kenny, general secretary of the GMB union, added: "Top private equity chiefs are freely admitting that the current tax regime allows them to pay less tax than the minimum wage worker. This is an important and significant breaking of the ranks."

A spokesman for the British Venture Capital Association, which represents private equity firms, said Mr Ferguson's views did not represent the industry as a whole.

He added: "It is a matter for government policy to determine the most effective tax regime in which the private equity industry should work."

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont forget it was Gordon Brown who brought in this tax regime.

Under Thatcher it was the opposite way round. It was called the Business Expansion Scheme and Development zones. If an investor put his money into the scheme he could claim TAX RELIEF offsetting tax he was going to pay. This is quite different from what the regime is under Gordon Brown.
Firstly investors can be anonymous which never was allowed before. So drug dealers, arms smugglers, money launderers can invest in private equity and remain under the umbrella. Secondly now these private equity investors and fund managers pay virtually no tax until either the fund liquidates or the fund is sold. So you have a situation where private equity funds can borrow money easily and because of the tax free status can extract bigger profits from businesses.

It is a very unfair and stupid system. Because all the profits go out of the country and so even when tax should be paid it is not.
an example of the rubbish going on at the moment is even UK based businessmen who have UK registered businesses are not paying tax anymore http://www.taxjustice.net/cms/upload/pdf/The_Guardian_-_the_tax_haven_ that_todays_super_rich_city_commuters_call_home_-_10_JULY_2006.pdf Mr Stelios Haji-Ioannou the owner of Easyjet and by any stratch of anyones imagination owns businesses in the UK with UK turnover pays zero tax. In his own words. The only reason is because he gave money to the Labour party.

Labour has become the champagne socialist party looking after the billionaires and foreign businessmen at the expense of UK businessmen and UK taxpayers. There is no logical reason for this other than curruption.

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Treasury minister Ed Balls has already launched a task force to investigate whether private equity firms are dodging tax.

Surely that is poacher turned gamekeeper. Wasnt Ed Ballsup the guy who advised Gordon Brown to do all this balls in the first place?

First place he should look is the Miliband brothers. Remember their dad Adolf Miliband the marxist gave then a million pound house in Primrose hill to avoid paying inheritence tax. The newspapers caught them out but todays newspapers are merely government spinsheets.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Labour has become the champagne socialist party

Labour has become the Tory party!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Labour has become the Tory party!

You are like a scratched CD.

Labour tax policy is taxing people till they turn blue.
Did you not hear that now they want to tax sugar and vegetable oil and butter?
It is taxing gone mad.
Taxing sugar has nothing to do with health. Sugar free foods like Diet Coke are far less healthy than sugar. Aspartame causes brain tumours and other diseases.
Taxing fats, well i have a sneaky feeling that is to do with Bio-Diesel and again fats are healthy like olive oil, cocnut oil, butter,

Soon they will be taxing litter encouraging people to dump litter.

The Tory party had a much fairer tax system. Certainly i was better off and i am sure so were most of you. And they did not let Billionaires take the mick like what is happening now. Under the Tory regime a tax exile was only allowed to spend less than 3 months in the UK any given year including stop overs otherwise he was clobbered. Today people like Stephen Green and Stelios Haji-Ioannou are no longer tax exiles they has tax free status and can stay in the UK as much as they want.

So you tell me honestly which administration had the fairer tax system?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are the fuc***ng same!!!!

Your beloved Tories introduced the Poll tax where a billionaire paid the same as a labourer. Your beloved Tories wanted to levy VAT at 15% on gas and electricity. They wanted to put vat on food and clothes.

There is no effing difference between Labour and Conservative you clown.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackcat wrote:
They are the fuc***ng same!!!!

Your beloved Tories introduced the Poll tax where a billionaire paid the same as a labourer. Your beloved Tories wanted to levy VAT at 15% on gas and electricity. They wanted to put vat on food and clothes.

There is no effing difference between Labour and Conservative you clown.


Either you are so blinkered you cant see the difference or you dont want to see the difference. The poll tax was scraped by the tories so you cannot use the usual new labour tactic it wasnt us guv it was the other guys. So 10 years of Labour and the best you can do is talk about poll tax.
But as you raise the subject COMMUNITY CHARGE was much cheaper than today's COUNCIL TAX. £400 compared with £1900 today. And my council is cheaper than average. Community charge was also much easier to avoid paying.

Never once can you defend a position. All you know is what Labour do best muddy the waters by attacking what happened 25 years ago.

You say you are not a labour supporter but every comment you have every made to me leads me to conclude that you have Labour instincts. And you are yet to evolve into a more learned individual. I could list for you all the differences you claim are not there. But i wont bore the readers. i have listed hundreds of differences previously.

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