Sunday. London awakes under chemical soup

James C · Major Poster Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1046

Utopiated,

Strange that you should claim other people are not reading your posts when you obviously haven't read all of mine. Perhaps you should read my next post on the subject where I discuss the photo I posted. Do you have absolute proof that these contrails disappeared in a few minutes? In fact, do you have any concrete evidence that contrails have never lasted more than a few minutes? And while you're at it, perhaps you could give us the evidence for why spraying aerosols out of an aircraft would be anymore advantageous than spraying them from a lorry travelling through a city?

lockerbie · Moderate Poster Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 147

all contrails can in fact last indefinitely if the atmosphere stays indefinitely at the correct conditions.

utopiated · Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject:

utopiated · Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject:

James C · Major Poster Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1046

lockerbie · Moderate Poster Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 147

" Yeah right. Each day I look out of my window and see 23 days worth of built up, static contrails!!

yes but the atmosphere is not static and so it doesn't actually happen. the length of time the atmosphere stays in a state by which contrails dissipate slowly determines how ling the stay.

James C · Major Poster Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1046

It looks like utopiated can't answer my questions. I thought so.

karlos · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:16 am Post subject:

look i myself used to doubt CHEMTRAILS.
But the fact is the evidence for there existence is overwhelming. Tests have been carried out and it has found theat Barium Oxide is the number one component.
The reason is not yet been revealed. But i live in an area not close to any airport and not under any obvious flight path. But i hear aircraft at nightime flying overhead.
Chemtrails may be harmless. For example like the gritters come out and grit the raods they may be griitting the sky to make it rain or to block the sun or to remove depleted uranium from the atmosphere.
But why the secrecy?
It is obviously happening.
Haliburton control Aldermaston. Carlyle group control Quinetic now head by George Tenet former head of the CIA.
So one has every right to be suspicious of chemtrails.
To deny there existence is no longer possible.

Link

Notice there is a WEATHER MODIFICATION ACT going through congress in the USA. So anyone who believes it isnt real think again.

Link

ishaar · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject:

lockerbie · Moderate Poster Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 147

barium oxide? first and foremost, it's an irritant on contact and can be fatal if ingested. it's used for glass making and not much else.

secondly it can't exist in the atmosphere for long because it would becomes barium hydroxide (an insoluble acid0 in contact with water, which air has plenty of.

so what would be the reason for adding a poisonous glass additive to air when it will quickly be destroyed anyway?

ishaar · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject:

Barium facilitates weather mod projects because it can create cloud formations at extremely low humidity, when natural clouds cannot form. Barium oxide (a salt) is a desiccant (drying agent) and can be used by the military to de-humidify clouds and dry up unwanted precipitation.

from here:

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20001112.htm

James C · Major Poster Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1046

lockerbie · Moderate Poster Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 147

so if barium was the reason for chemtrails and this was for weather mod then there should be a correlation.

(of course there will be some kind of correlation between weather and the atmosphere which controls the rate at which contrails dissipate anyway)

also why would chemtrails stick around longer than normal contrails?

very obvious questions.

James C · Major Poster Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1046

Newspeak International · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject:

lockerbie · Moderate Poster Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 147

do i believe in clouds? now that is a real stupid question.

i don't deal in basic yes or nos. i deal in answers.

karlos · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject:

Newspeak International · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject:

Second try:

Whatever chemicals they are polluting our skies with, do you and lockerbie deny the existance of quite a few long persistant trails over the UK skies?

A basic yes or no answer,thanks.

lockerbie · Moderate Poster Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 147

"Second try:

Whatever chemicals they are polluting our skies with, do you and lockerbie deny the existance of quite a few long persistant trails over the UK skies?

A basic yes or no answer,thanks."

define "long persistent trails" and you might have a shot. but until then i'll agree that clouds can last variable lengths of time dependent on atmospheric conditions.

Sherlock · Minor Poster Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 52

Hi,
Just thought I would come on to put a few links up...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvv9TGS22fA

this is a short video of what looks like reflective particles falling from the sky... it was filmed twice, once in December and once in June.. totaly different atmospheric conditions... anyone any ideas what it could be?? please watch all the video to get a proper look at these particles..

Also just incase people don't think that they modify the weather...

http://www.weathermod.com/projects.php

quote "Our clients include private and public insurance companies, water resource management organizations, and federal and state government research organizations."

Care and freedom
Di Smile

Newspeak International · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject:

Well that says it all, despite multiple references to photographic and video material, and a look out of the window, lockerbie denies the existance of long lasting aircraft trails.

Goodbye lockerbie, it was brief but as long as I could stand from a denier
of the visible to anyone with a mind to look.

lockerbie · Moderate Poster Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 147

"lockerbie denies the existance of long lasting aircraft trails. "

no i didn't. in fact i stated that aircraft trails and in fact all clouds will remain stable under favorable atmospheric conditions.

"it was filmed twice, once in December and once in June.. totaly different atmospheric conditions"

different doesn't mean they both weren't favorable. the correct humidity, wind temperature can exist any time of the year.

ishaar · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject:

Is this the best the critics can come up with? We have james.c who seemingly can only think of one thing at any one time, no doubt if he wants ten items he makes ten different trips to the supermarket, and lockerbie who is incapable of saying yes or no ... as he only 'deals with answers'?? Maybe you don't think this is a serious issue?

lockerbie · Moderate Poster Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 147

"Maybe you don't think this is a serious issue?"

clouds with variable rates of dissipation?

James C · Major Poster Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1046

Well, I for one, have never denied the existence of weather modification. I read a good book about this subject a couple of years ago called 'Planet Earth, The latest weapon of war'. The book also discusses HAARP, earthquake control and other mysterious military weapons.

But the issue with chemtrails is with the lack of factual data proving that modern contrails last longer than contrails did in the past and therefore must be chemtrails. As I've said time and time again, just showing photos and a few videos isn't good enough. Besides, the verbal abuse which always surrounds threads like this one and the NPT threads suggests that the supporters of these theories cannot be bothered to give full evidence, basically because they can't. Therefore, whenever anyone shows any skepticism, they are immediately labelled as an unbeliever, including with regard to 9/11.

Giving a link to a video on youtube of someone filming dust in the air is not proof. God, imagine if the evidence for 9/11 rested on such shallow evidence. How do you know that that isn't just someone filming dust being thrown by a friend from an upper window? I could make such a film right now and fool you all with it. You'd lap it up.

Just give us the proof and stop showing these silly videos. I note in the photos above the presence of cirrus clouds. Contrails are the same as cirrus clouds. Just shows that the weather was in the right state for supporting persistent ice crystal formation that day and nothing else.

Sherlock · Minor Poster Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 52

James C,
You say stop putting up silly videos.... well im afraid that if you had actually see these particles you wouldn't call it dust in the air or silly!!!

These particles were like reflective metal flakes.. defently not dust... unfortunatly my hubby and son stood out in it the first time to film it, goodness knows what they where breathing in. Sad

The trails are something that needs discussing and investigating, and the reason there doesn't seem to be no proof as such is that the people who probably have the ability to test what these trails are and whats in them.. are unwilling to do so...

Whatever they are the sky was never like this years ago!!! I say again as I have for 3 years now... show me a photo from before 1995 with the sky looking as it does now... but please don't put the ususal war planes leaving trails...

I'd like to see an ordinary pic from someones album or out of a book with the sky included.. but so far no one on any forum/ site has done this...

The interesting thing was that we went to our libary to find some old books to look at the sky in them... the lady was quite surpised and said how strange that there are no weather books on the system before 1999...
maybe changing history who knows...

I understand this is a hard subject to talk to people about, because what we are saying is scary to many people, and people won't want to know because who wants to know/believe that there is chemicals been sprayed on us!!!

But if we don't make people aware they will not do what is needed... which I personally think is contact MP's and Governing agencies to let them know that we are aware of something that is right about our skies.
Take photos and videos, try to find out if they are on a flightpath...

In our case it's that we hardly get to see a blue sky because of all the trails that mingle into a milky mess.. plus the fact we are not on a Flight Path!!!

But unfortunatly it doesn't matter to some what we say or what pics/ videos that we put up.. they just won't believe us.. but thats ok, It won't stop me posting pics etc up all over the net.. and giving people a choice to find out info..

Because there will be people out there who will use their logic/common sense to look into the subject of chemtrails and then pass what they find onto others.... 100th monkey effect!!!

One last thing... Ever thought who collects the data / writes the reports etc that we get to see that says everything is ok and normal??? Once again question things and try and find out for yourself.. it's like 9/11 don't believe anyone else look for yourself!!!

Long Tooth · Moderate Poster Joined: 06 Apr 2007 Posts: 306

[quote="Sherlock"]
The trails are something that needs discussing and investigating, and the reason there doesn't seem to be no proof as such is that the people who probably have the ability to test what these trails are and whats in them.. are unwilling to do so...

Whatever they are the sky was never like this years ago!!! I say again as I have for 3 years now... show me a photo from before 1995 with the sky looking as it does now... but please don't put the ususal war planes leaving trails...

I'd like to see an ordinary pic from someones album or out of a book with the sky included.. but so far no one on any forum/ site has done this...

The interesting thing was that we went to our libary to find some old books to look at the sky in them... the lady was quite surpised and said how strange that there are no weather books on the system before 1999...
maybe changing history who knows...

I had to laugh at the officialdoms smoke screening, when the sterling white powder falling onto the school 'incident' took place years ago.

Samples were taken to the various gatekeeping er i mean scientists, they replied , we dont know what it is, but.....and get this, it presents no health hazard, (despite scores of children having blisters,skin irritations and in some cases, sores developing), If you dont know what the chemical make up was after analysis, how do you no its not hazardous. Of course the late Admiral of the fleet, Lord Hill Norton, studiously brought about many many questions regarding this incident in the house of commons, the answers were of the ludicrous, ie we dont know, no evidence blah blah blah, of course no amount of googling can get you this info anymore, its like the disappearing library books, just a 'coincidence'. Rolling Eyes

You'd have thought the government apologists supporters, favouring the 'the chemtrails have always been there' would have produced just one photo from a photo album to support their view, unless of course there arent any.

meanwhile keep up the good work.

Sherlock · Minor Poster Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 52

Ready, aim, fire and rain

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/IG13Ad01.html

According to Wang Guanghe, director of the Weather Modification Department under the Chinese Academy of Meteorological Sciences, each of China's more than 30 provinces and province-level municipalities today boast a weather-modification base, employing more than 32,000 people, 7,100 anti-aircraft guns, 4,991 special rocket launchers and 30-odd aircraft across the country.

"Ours is the largest artificial weather program in the world in terms of equipment, size and budget," Wang said, adding that the annual nationwide budget for weather modification is between US$60 million and $90 million.

People are starving.... what could they do with all thoses millions of dollars ??????

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