Are UFOs really from outer space?

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[lockerbie]

no it doesn't.

because if some alien form was to travel by bending space time it would be far from stealthy and we would know all about it. and so everyone would know all about aliens.

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[ian neal]

I have been reviewing Lockerie's posts. He hasn't broken any rules however the nature of his posts lead me to conclude that his intention here is to distrupt this forum. This is a subjective judgement but I believe a sound one.

Lockerbie you can contact me by email if you wish to convince me that I have misjudged you. However in the meantime I am suspending your account.

[marky 54]

i use to be sceptical about u.f.o's and i use to think things like, if they exsisted then why ain't i ever seen one, we would all know if u.f.o's exsisted etc etc just like lockerbie.

untill i saw one and saw and still see the subject being gatekept and ridiculed.

the fact is everyone on this forum could see one, nobody will believe it or take it seriously as long as it is'nt accepted by the mainstream, some people would call it cover-up.

as long as everyone thinks your a wacko when you say you saw one(even when captured on film-it must be fake) then the job is done.

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[karlos]

[Louise]

There is no question in my mind that UFO's and Aliens exist.

So many people have had an encounter with a UFO or even been aboard one.

I think the WORST thing you can do if you do have an UFO experience is to go to the authoritys with it.

Because i belive that they are under orders from the goverment (as the subject is deemed an offical secret) to shut you up and cover it up by any means possible.

It's far better to go to an independant UFO group or media outlet and broadcast your story so that the truth comes out.

It will then be too late for the authoritys to put a lid on your experience.

I gather the subject of UFO's in America is deemed so top secret by the US millitary that it is rated even higher than the "Manhattan project" was that created the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan in 1945.

Project Blue Book was the USA's offical investigation into UFO's.

I certainly think that this project was a sham, it was ment to look like a genuine investigation into UFO's when it was nothing of the sort.

The public of the USA was in panic after witnessing a whole string of UFO sightings and they were begging the goverment to do some reserch into this phenomina.

But instead of doing a real offical investigation into UFO's and producing the real results to the US public they feared even more widespread panic, they had to find a way to bring the people back under control and stop them worrying.

So what they did was to simply take all the reported UFO cases, gave them to the people who were running the project and told them to debunk them in anyway possible no matter how outrageous.

The project did NO real investigation or reserch into UFO's it just tricked the US public into thinking that it did.

And it spent the time thinking up story's that they could use to explain away all these UFO sighting that so paniced the people.

I bet that they were really angry that that couldn't explain away 5 per cent of the cases in the end, i think those cases that they coudn't explain away were swept under the carpet and conveniently forgotten about.

My conclusion is that Project Blue Book was a sham from start to finish and it's not worth the paper its written on, and should be reguarded by all as complete and utter tripe.

At the same time however a REAL (but unoffical and secret of course) investigation was launched into the subject of UFO's and i belive that this investigation was called "Majestic 12".

UFO's and aliens exist NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, and they posses a level of technology that is far in advance of our own.

Their ships seem to be able to generate or create their own force or means of propultion from within the craft itself.

Therefore the craft does NOT require the need for fuel.

This being the case it renders the craft rangeless, limitless and inexhastable just so long as the device that generates the force or means of propultion is funtioning.

Several possible reasons for goverment secracy over this issue is:

1. Fear of a national panic as some people have been misguided by films that depict aliens to be hostile, so they assume that the real things must be hostile.

2. Greed: they want to keep the intelligece to themselves for their own power and control game.

3. We know how some humans react to other humans who are different in someway (with aggression), just imagine if those people who react in this manner were confronted with a life form that was not of this planet and/or does not resemble humanoid form.

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[Louise]

To marky 54:

I just can't help but to sit back and admire and salute your bravery in coming on this forum and telling us your genuine experience.

it's brilliant.

Of course the authoritys ridiculing people is another way of debunking and keeping the lid on the offical secret of UFO's.

Ridiculing someone who attempts to reveal the secret serves a dual purpose.

1. It makes the person attempting to reveal the secret feel stupid, ashamed and embarrased thus it shuts them up from revaling that secret to anyone else.

2. It convinces all the other people listerning to that person (quite wrongly), that the person is a nutcase, an idiot, foolish, once this has been achived no one will belive anything that person says (because they think that he/she is an idiiot) thus preserving the security of the secret.

It is a standard and cruel tactic to defend a secret.

The next stage on from the above is probably verbal and/or physical intimidation.

But remember the more they ridicule you, the more they laugh at you, the more they threaten you.

The more closer you probably are to the truth.

[marky 54]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9runNgtTb0&mode=related&search=

so let me get this straight stelios. this clip is disinfo when he says he sees an alien spacecraft?

so aliens do not exsist as far as your concerned and any evidence of it is disinfo? nice logic. may as well go home you cannot win and its a classic case of gatekeeping. there is no evidence of aliens and any evidence that turns up is disinfo.

the same logic as if she floats shes a witch, if she drowns she isnt a witch.

[marky 54]

[TonyGosling]

Hello everybody and welcome to fairyland.

Well, well. What a great distraction from the genocide now taking place using our taxpayers' money in Iraq.
And what a crock of something Gordon coloured.

[Louise]

What i posted about tactics to defend a secret dosen't only apply to UFO's it applys to all secrets that the authoritys want to defend.............even 9/11.

Because the more they attack you or laugh at you, the more desprate they are becoming to defend the secret.

So you can use this type of responce as a indicator as to how close to the truth you really are.

[Louise]

Also some people feel terrifyied by this subject.

The idea that there are life forms that exist that no only are superior to us in themselves but also in their technology as well totally threatens their feelings of security.

As their veiw of the world, and of the universe is being stongly challenged.

They react by being both verbally and physically aggressive.

This is their human defence systems coming into operation to protect their feelings of security.

Also humanitys arrogance comes into play as well.

Humanity likes to think it's the best and the most advanced in the universe.

And has trouble when something else gives humanity such a huge kick in it's arrogance and it's complacency.

[Louise]

But the real reason i started this thread..............................

Was because the whole point of this forum is to spread the truth not just about 9/11 but other things as well.

And i'm 100% sure that UFO's exist.

For a variety of different reasons.

it's absurd to think that we are the only planet with intelligent life on it in the whole of the universe when you consider how many stars are out there.

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[Louise]

http://www.abcfield.force9.co.uk/maj12.htm

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[Louise]

I'm just fasinated not only by the aliens but by their technology as well.

I feel that it could be used to benefit and advance the whole human race.

In fact i've been toying with a few ideas of my own.

I've been thinking about a flying machine/craft that is powerd by G FORCE.

If G FORCE could be generated, amplified, controlled, directed and projected.

Would not the craft or object projecting that force be pushed in the opposite direction to the way you are projecting the force?.

If so G FORCE could be used as a propultion system.

Is it possible to artifically generate G FORCE by some sort of device?.

The craft could use G FORCE much like a sailboat uses the wind to move around.

Just some thoughts i've been playing around with in my mind.

I was thining that this might be one of the propultion systems that might be used in ET spacecraft.

However i might just be way off in my thinking.

[marky 54]

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[Louise]

Maybe he's just a bit scared of the subject we are talking about Marky 54.

We are after all going very deep into it and exploring many things about it, but surely that's the right thing to do.

Being honest though i was very dissapointed by the post.

I don't know why considering all the evidence including all the papers they released on UFO's when the freedom of information (FOI) act came into effect that some people still don't belive that UFO's exist.

By the way before that act came into effect goverment agencies shredded an awful LOT of papers and reports on UFO's that would have had to be released to the public.

What was it that they didn't want us to see or read?.

[TonyGosling]

I have seen a UFO myself but it wasn't from Andromeda.
It was a military plane which isn't in any of the plane spotting books. I should know because I was one as a teenager and have kept pretty much up to date with our aerial armory. I'm even thinking of getting into plane spotting again since some of the 'Rendition' flights have been detected by spotty nerds like me spending hours near airfields with their binoculars.

The alien disinformation is a marvellous and somewhat spellbinding cover for all sorts of stuff the military industrial complex don't want their paymasters the public or the cooked up 'enemy' of the moment to know about. Also, and maybe more importantly, it contributes to the element of suprise which is well known to be a key factor in any conflict.

Of course you may be one of these people who believe that 'everyone creates their own truth' but that post-modern stuff comes from the cult of the individual which is slowly and steadily destroying everything we hold dear.

I like to add a little fact to what seems to me to be a fictional debate. And to take the mick when people are talking in absurd circles. I like to burst that bubble. Lots of youngsters have, of course, been brought up in the era of the X-Files lie machine which doesn't help because that has effected people sub-conciously. A particularly sophisticated propaganda series.

Our recent national Chair - Ian Crane - does a fantastic talk where, I hear, he postulates a false flag alien invasion happening in 2012. No doubt if that happens you'll take the bait hook, line, and sinker.

Anyway. I'm going to leave it there and I hope you enjoy yourselves repeating military lies to each other

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