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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One last thing... Ever thought who collects the data / writes the reports etc that we get to see that says everything is ok and normal??? Once again question things and try and find out for yourself.. it's like 9/11 don't believe anyone else look for yourself!!!


Sherlock,

I have been looking myself, for several years, and find no firm evidence watsoever. Since you have failed to read my post properly then let me tell you that I already know that weather modification exists. I believe in it since it is real. I'd be a fool to doubt it. I therefore wonder why you give reference to a weather modification programme in China when I've already said I accept it. Then again, why post something which is about China and not the UK. Perhaps this proves that there is no evidence. But the interesting fact in that article is that for the whole of China they are using just 30 aircraft to do this work. Oh dear, that's not a very convincing argument for chemtrails is it? You and your fellow chemtrail enthusiasts appear to be saying that nearly every aircraft in this country is creating chemtrails just by your observations of the sky. Care to compare the size of China with the UK? The article even states that China's weather programme is the biggest in the world for manpower, budget and equipment.

As for those particles, they are not evidence. Any court in the land would throw out a video like that since its authenticity cannot be corroborated.

More evidence please.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't aim the weather modification site at anyone in particular.. I said just incase anyone doesn't believe it exsists...

Actually, I was asking if anyone had any idea what the particles are.. im not trying to use the video as evidence of anything.. all I know it isn't just a silly video.. it is what was comming down over us!!
Are you not interested what we are breathing in, things that may be bad for us...
as for weather modification.... that just goes to show you replyed just by saying stuff about that.. what about the rest of the post about chemtrails????

Anyway like I said it doesn't matter to me if you beleive something is been sprayed on us or not... I hope your right and is just normal but I doubt that very much... I will waste no more time on this thread I have had my say on here and have learnt not to get into pages of going round in circles...

Here's to enough people realising our skies are not as they should be and making other people aware of it before it's too late and we all get really sick!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4507036.stm and yes they have already sprayed us...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sherlock wrote:
I didn't aim the weather modification site at anyone in particular.. I said just incase anyone doesn't believe it exsists...

Actually, I was asking if anyone had any idea what the particles are.. im not trying to use the video as evidence of anything.. all I know it isn't just a silly video.. it is what was comming down over us!!
Are you not interested what we are breathing in, things that may be bad for us...
as for weather modification.... that just goes to show you replyed just by saying stuff about that.. what about the rest of the post about chemtrails????

Anyway like I said it doesn't matter to me if you beleive something is been sprayed on us or not... I hope your right and is just normal but I doubt that very much... I will waste no more time on this thread I have had my say on here and have learnt not to get into pages of going round in circles...

Here's to enough people realising our skies are not as they should be and making other people aware of it before it's too late and we all get really sick!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4507036.stm and yes they have already sprayed us...
Hi Sherlock. If you follow this linf and contact the Caroline. She will answer you questions. Caroline is whom I am working with on chemtrails and she actually carries out her own tests on rain water. Here email is on the page.

http://www.free-world.co.uk/

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James C wrote:
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James C wrote:
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And while you're at it, perhaps you could give us the evidence for why spraying aerosols out of an aircraft would be anymore advantageous than spraying them from a lorry travelling through a city?


You are looking at this from a linear point of view. Who is saying this is to do with poisoning anyone??

That's the statement you've just made if you put it in context. You've not looked into this at all. Go away and stop posting until you have.


Sorry, but you have avoided to answer my first two questions before attempting to twist my third, badly might I add. Did I say poisoning?

Now please answer the other questions since it forms the basis of much of the evidence on this site.



This is not an evidence discussion it's a logic loop. You asked why not a lorry instead of a plane. From that I conclude you assume the chemtrails thing is about exposing people to toxins.

What else did you mean? That's the conclusion most ppl would draw from you saying that.

I am saying this thing may not be about poisoning people in the direct sense. There is more going on here.

Thing is none of you realise that some of us have done a fair bit of looking into this area - so when you come and make glib one line statements you wind people up. Scar has already left over this exact issue and he's been helping out on chemtrails UK since it began. As a basic rule - the longer someone has looked into something, unless they are really slow, the better picture they tend to have on an issue.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote the following email to this company:

http://www.weathermod.com/

Hello.

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'I wonder if you could possibly help with a debate I’m having with a colleague. The topic was the ‘persistent contrails’ in the sky’s over the UK, are they simply that? If so, what has changed in the way jet engines work, as we only saw the short normal trails until around 1992, in fact the normal trails can still be seen now.

Or are the persistent trails part of a weather modification program, or as some would have it, a sunscreen operation, spraying particulates into the atmosphere, or troposphere, to reduce the effects of so called global warming? Any help in resolving this matter would be most appreciated. '


that was 3 weeks ago, i didn't get a reply which isn't that surprising. Maybe others could drop them a line, someone else may have more luck.

I was in Birmingham on saturday, I can see now why the midlands is often called 'chemtrail central'.


Device for generating contrails?? I thought they were naturally occuring?

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1974 US Navy Chemtrail Patent!
What Have They
Achieved Since Then?


http://www.rense.com/general2/pat.htm


more patents here:

http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/patents.html


Ways to boost your immunity system in the light of what we are up against.

http://educate-yourself.org/immunboosting/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ishaar wrote:
I wrote the following email to this company:

http://www.weathermod.com/

Hello.

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'I wonder if you could possibly help with a debate I’m having with a colleague. The topic was the ‘persistent contrails’ in the sky’s over the UK, are they simply that? If so, what has changed in the way jet engines work, as we only saw the short normal trails until around 1992, in fact the normal trails can still be seen now.

Or are the persistent trails part of a weather modification program, or as some would have it, a sunscreen operation, spraying particulates into the atmosphere, or troposphere, to reduce the effects of so called global warming? Any help in resolving this matter would be most appreciated. '


that was 3 weeks ago, i didn't get a reply which isn't that surprising. Maybe others could drop them a line, someone else may have more luck.

I was in Birmingham on saturday, I can see now why the midlands is often called 'chemtrail central'.


Device for generating contrails?? I thought they were naturally occuring?

Quote:
1974 US Navy Chemtrail Patent!
What Have They
Achieved Since Then?


http://www.rense.com/general2/pat.htm


more patents here:

http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/patents.html


Ways to boost your immunity system in the light of what we are up against.

http://educate-yourself.org/immunboosting/


Nice one ishaar, although this company is payed bthe the government for its work, i must admit i am 'suprised' by their deafening silence to your enquiry.

Company Background

Weather Modification, Inc. was founded in 1961, and over the past 40 years, it has become a world leader in the areas of hail suppression and precipitation augmentation. WMI has also provided equipment and expertise in the areas of cloud microphysics research and air quality sampling for governmental agencies and private entities.

Since its beginning, Company personnel have logged over 30,000 hours of actual cloud seeding time. During its 40 years of weather modification experience, WMI has pioneered safe and effective techniques for cloud seeding, both day and night. These advances in cloud seeding have made it possible to conduct operations 24 hours per day, seven days a week. These techniques have been employed with continued success for over 40 seasons throughout the world.

For actual flight operations WMI uses only modern jet and twin-engine aircraft.

To provide a more effective and efficient weather modification program.

staffed by experienced pilots, meteorologists, and radar technicians on cloud seeding programs in Alberta, North Dakota, Texas, Oklahoma, Mexico, Argentina, and Greece. Our clients include private and public insurance companies, water resource management organizations, and federal and state research organizations.

Facilities

WMI is a privately held company incorporated in 1961 that provides weather modification equipment and services, cloud microphysical research, air pollution monitoring and aircraft modification. Its sister company, Fargo Jet Center, Inc. was incorporated in 1994.

http://www.weathermod.com/about.php

i would expect this info to be respun on their info page if it gets too much publicity, or too many people emailing with questions.

what would a ''public insurance company'' be doing paying for a weather modification?

And how many other companies are in existance that we dont or will never know about?

i wonder if all this rain in the UK has been due to 'overseeding'?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that site is a gem you found there ishaar, Wink

http://www.weathermod.com/seeding_equipment.php

theres some excellent pictures of the equipment but i dont know how to paste them.

WMI offers a wide array of cloud seeding equipment for all purposes, both ground-based and airborne. WMI has either developed or completely re-designed a full suite of cloud seeding equipment for all your needs. Our equipment emphasizes functionality, safety, reliability, and ease of use.



Racks for Burn-in-Place Flares

WMI manufactures racks and firing-control systems adaptable to most aircraft types. Racks are designed for strength and safety, bolting directly to structural members of the wing.



This rack, affixed to a WMI Cheyenne II turboprop, is sporting 150 gram glaciogenic pyrotechnics produced by Ice Crystal Engineering, LLC (ICE), of Davenport, ND. WMI uses exclusively ICE products. Click to enlarge image.


This rack has the ability to hold a dozen flares. As you can see from the photo above, the rack is able to hold both hygroscopic and glaciogenic flares. The rack is easy to convert with minimal ground time.Click to enlarge image.



Racks for Ejectable Flares

WMI racks for ejectable flares are mounted on the belly of the aircraft fuselage. Each rack holds 102 cartridges. When fired, the pyrotechnic is ignited and ejected from the aircraft. In this configuration, the WMI Lear 35A is equipped with four 102-count racks for ejectable glaciogenic pyrotechnics, a total of 408 flares. Click to enlarge image.




WMI has designed state of the art ground based silver iodide generators for seeding orographic clouds. The generators burn a mixture of acetone and silver iodide that produce a silver iodide plume which is ingested by the cloud.

There are two types of Ground-Based Generators, the Remote Ground-Based Generator and the Manual Ground-Based Generator.

The design of the Remote Ground-Based Generator System include the use of satellite technology integrated with the micro-processor for full automated control of the system. The user has, via modem, real-time control of the system, including access to the status of the system and the surrounding environment. Present surrounding weather information includes temperature, humidity, wind speed and direction, and ambient temperature. System Status information includes power source status and availability, flow condition and level of availability of seeding agents, and the temperature of the flame. System Control includes changing from a weak power source to a revitalized source, switching of individual valves, and ignition. Data collection of various types is available at the customer's request. These units are designed to take the heavy abuse of storm systems that may pass over any region. They are constructed to take on large amounts of rime icing and operate under the most demanding of weather conditions.

The Manual Ground-Based Generator System is similar to a Remote System except there is no need for a satellite phone, microprocessor, constant power source, or weather data collection. This system is operated manually by a person "on-site" with switches and valves. Items can be added at the customer's request.

WMI offers the latest in ground-based pyrotechnic applications, specifically, the ground-based flare tree, or GBFT. Our GBFT incorporates a “tripod base”, which provides exceptional stability in even the most extreme weather conditions, and easy leveling.

Shown here, the WMI GBFT supports nine racks, each holding up to 12 glaciogenic or hygroscopic flares. The GBFT can be configured for either manual or remote-controlled operation. The remotely-controlled GBFTs are controllable by either cellular or satellite telephone, depending upon availability of reliable service at the site. Local power is provided by deep-cycle batteries, recharged by solar panel. In applications characterized by extended periods of cloud weather, thermoelectric generators can be used in lieu of the solar panels. Flares can be ignited as rapidly as the operator wishes, so multiple flares can be burned at one time if the situation warrants. WMI custom builds GBFTs, so we can provide the capacity you need.

Contact us for pricing and detailed specifications.


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The cloud seeding agents used by WMI are exclusively those manufactured by Ice Crystal Engineering, LLC, (ICE) of Davenport, North Dakota. All pyrotechnic formulations are thoroughly laboratory tested. The available formulations have been extensively field tested, and have demonstrated their reliability.

ICE manufactures the finest cloud seeding pyrotechnics in the world. For more information about Ice Crystal Engineering, LLC, please visit the Ice Flares Website.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.weathermod.com/projects/precip/sulawesi.php

Background

The Indonesian Government's Agency for the Assessment and Application of Technology (Badan Pengkajian dan Penerapan Teknologi, or BPPT) has established the need for an atmospheric water resource program to provide extra water for hydroelectric power near the PT-INCO nickel mining and processing operations located on the island of Sulawesi, Indonesia.

As part of BPPT's program development, WMI has been contracted to provide airborne cloud seeding

Project Information

Project Purpose:
Rain enhancement
and Atmospheric Research
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's one of the pics Longtooth.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Ice Crystal Engineering LLC website

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CE can supply flare racks that will accommodate all types of ICE end-burning flares. The rack is constructed of aircraft quality steel streamlined tubing that reduces aerodynamic drag. The electrical connectors are gold-plated brass to better withstand flight conditions. The mounting attachments can be placed as needed to custom-fit the rack to your aircraft. Nominal 12-flare capacity, custom racks are also available for different desired capacities. Delivered with control box as a system, or can be custom-wired to adapt to existing control systems.

Lightweight aircraft aluminum racks for use only with ICE Glaciogenic flares are also available.


Cloud Seeding Equipment

Racks for Burn-in-Place Flares

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Black Beams Spotted in the UK


http://educate-yourself.org/lte/blackbeamsoverUK13may07.shtml

I have seen this phenomena several times, I thought it was something like a 'wake' created by the plane. Some good photo's in the link.

It will possibly be a difficult situation for the US government regarding all the destructive hurricanes they've had when it becomes publicly known that weather control has been a fact for a long time now.
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Snap. I've seen this once.

It's like an inverse image or a trail of nothing inside the fog.

Thought it was my eyes playing tricks.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last night at about 2am i heard a sound of an aircraft overhead which sounded like a small airplane. I went out the back garden and saw the familiar grid type of cloud pattern. Note well, this was at 2am and i do not live near any airport nor am i aware of planes that should be flying at that time. I asked my missus to have a look too.

If i had any doubts before about spraying there arent any doubts anymore. It is all real and it is happening here. We have to find out what and who is doing it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stelios wrote

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We have to find out what and who is doing it.


http://www.fco.gov.uk/Files/kfile/CM5539,0.PDF

This is the 'open sky treaty' according to Alan Watt every country that signed this is engaged in this operation. Ostensibly the treaty is about transparancy, allowing planes unrestricted access to airspace over other countries for purposes of observation, ( think thats right).

As AW says there is always the reason given to the public, then there is the real reason.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A short film about what effects chemtrails may be having on our health...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cI5-K_8ByvE

Also Bill... H.R 2977 Space Preservation Act of 2001 mentions CHEMTRAILS...

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

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I was in Birmingham on saturday, I can see now why the midlands is often called 'chemtrail central'.


Nothing to do with the Honiley Beacon I suppose (the major aerial gateway for aircraft entering and exiting South Eastern airspace)?

Is it a coincidence that all 'heavy chemtrail areas' coincide with airways and junctions..........?

Why is the large population of the North-East not being chemtrailled? (nothing to do with low airway usage)
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Nothing to do with the Honiley Beacon I suppose (the major aerial gateway for aircraft entering and exiting South Eastern airspace)?



No

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Is it a coincidence that all 'heavy chemtrail areas' coincide with airways and junctions..........?


Not true

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Why is the large population of the North-East not being chemtrailled? (nothing to do with low airway usage)



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Nothing to do with the Honiley Beacon I suppose (the major aerial gateway for aircraft entering and exiting South Eastern airspace)?



No

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Is it a coincidence that all 'heavy chemtrail areas' coincide with airways and junctions..........?


Not true

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Why is the large population of the North-East not being chemtrailled? (nothing to do with low airway usage)



No


Evidence? I think you'll find a map of UK controlled upper airspace does exactly coincide with 'chemtrailling' areas (and that all my points are bang on the money.....)
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mophead, there is ample evidence already posted on this board if you care to have a look.

Trails are being laid day and night regardless of airport proximity and scheduled commercial flight times. The debate I'm interested in is precisely what the trails consist of and for what purpose, and to have the debate with others who have seen enough to know this is happening.

I'm no more interested in having one of those ridiculous circular debates about whether chemtrails exist than I am about the possible existence of bananas. bye bye.
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There is no evidence at all for chemtrails, if you actually choose to view things objectively. If there is, please show me, I've certainly yet to see anything beyond a ridiculous answer to a non existant issue. Planes fly through the air, leave contrails, and some peeps see evidence of a sinister plot, and then carefully choose to disregard all factual evidence that might burst their imaginary bubble. Too much time spent alone playing daft computer games mefinks.........

How about having a debate with knowledgable open minded professionals who know enough to know this is utter garbage? (And not just seen something they have absolutely no knowledge of).

I just love the way 'chemtraillers' choose not to argue with their critics, and resort to insults and cutting critics dead rather than try to defend the undefendable and have to face hard real evidence. I couldn't even have a "circular" argument with you, because you have no half decent argument to start with, no actual evidence that stands any scrutiny at all, and absolutely no basis for your theory (except to say everyone else is lying, we laymen know better).
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There is no evidence at all for chemtrails, if you actually choose to view things objectively. If there is, please show me, I've certainly yet to see anything beyond a ridiculous answer to a non existant issue. Planes fly through the air, leave contrails, and some peeps see evidence of a sinister plot, and then carefully choose to disregard all factual evidence that might burst their imaginary bubble. Too much time spent alone playing daft computer games mefinks.........

How about having a debate with knowledgable open minded professionals who know enough to know this is utter garbage? (And not just seen something they have absolutely no knowledge of).

I just love the way 'chemtraillers' choose not to argue with their critics, and resort to insults and cutting critics dead rather than try to defend the undefendable and have to face hard real evidence. I couldn't even have a "circular" argument with you, because you have no half decent argument to start with, no actual evidence that stands any scrutiny at all, and absolutely no basis for your theory (except to say everyone else is lying, we laymen know better).


You may self proclaim yourself to be a knowledgeable expert, Laughing Laughing Laughing , judging from your instant dismisal and smearing of serious researchers, such as ishaar, i qualify you as a buffon on this subject.

perhaps you'd like to submit some substance to your self proclaimed expert 'title', and submit a critique of the articles already mentioned.

or perhaps you just want people to reply to your smearing, with smearing like i have just done?

http://www.weathermod.com/seeding_equipment.php
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Theres no such thing as a 'serious researcher' into chemtrails, if the research was serious, the conclusion always reached would be that chemtrails are twaddle.

I have offered a critique of 'chemtrails' before, and when the going got tough, the 'chemtraillers' derided my evidence, and resorted to petty insults (much like Ishaar did earlier). Yes I'd be happy to offer a critique of any chemtrail article, with citable resources, but don't expect anything less than an ignorant response from those who want 'chemtrails' to be true.
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Theres no such thing as a 'serious researcher' into chemtrails, if the research was serious, the conclusion always reached would be that chemtrails are twaddle.

I have offered a critique of 'chemtrails' before, and when the going got tough, the 'chemtraillers' derided my evidence, and resorted to petty insults (much like Ishaar did earlier). Yes I'd be happy to offer a critique of any chemtrail article, with citable resources, but don't expect anything less than an ignorant response from those who want 'chemtrails' to be true.

P.S. I didn't proclaim myself to be a knowledgable expert per se, although professionally I have dealt with flight ops for a number of years, there are others on here with a greater knowledge of meteorology. However, seeing the short shrift given to Lockerbie, who does know a thing or two on that area, being knowledgable doesn't count for much in the wonderful world of chemtrails.

P.P.S. Weather mods, or cloud seeding as cited in your linked website, which I presume is supposed to serve as 'evidence' has absolutely nothing to do with contrails, and therefore 'chemtrails'. Cloud seeding is an old and well known way of inducing a cloudburst. Its useful in agriculture, but its best known use was by the Soviets, typically before big parades, to try and ensure it didn't rain on the parade. These flares would never produce a contrail, they're not intended to, being pyrotechnics that scatter crystals widely into clouds.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have been looking myself, for several years, and find no firm evidence watsoever. Since you have failed to read my post properly then let me tell you that I already know that weather modification exists. I believe in it since it is real. I'd be a fool to doubt it. I therefore wonder why you give reference to a weather modification programme in China when I've already said I accept it. Then again, why post something which is about China and not the UK. Perhaps this proves that there is no evidence. But the interesting fact in that article is that for the whole of China they are using just 30 aircraft to do this work.

As for those particles, they are not evidence. Any court in the land would throw out a video like that since its authenticity cannot be corroborated.
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OK the fact that weather modification occurs is not and has never been a secret.
It started in Russia in the 1950s when they started spraying dry ice srytals onto clouds in order to make the clouds drop snow and keep it a way from cities and also to encourage rain to fall on the dry tundra areas where Russia was increasing its agricultural production.

In the US the CIA started experimenting with weather probably in response to Russia. The CIA however, experimented with using weather as a weapon. EG attack a country by hitting it with a tornado first and then invading it.

China is a late entrant into this game.

But more recently this chemtrails thing is a different phenomenon.
I used to doubt it but i dont any more.
It has been tested an there is Barium oxide and aluminium present in the chemtrails. It could be perfectly innocent - if you call weather modification innocent. Look floods in Yorkshire, now floods in wandsworth and maidenhead, Very localised in places that dont usually get floods. Maybe they are cloud seeding and just fooling around with our weather.
However many people believe chemtrails are more sinister. Maybe delivering toxic chemicals, maybe terra forming or god only knows what.

The evidence is overwhelming, it has been on the news too. But nobody yet has declared what and why it is happening.
We need to find out and stop it because it cannot be anything good.
It mainly occurs in built up areas and in the USA and the UK and a few other places but not many. This makes it look more sinister.

The planes that do it are not commercial jets. They are smaller planes specially hired for this purpose. Maybe cessna or jetstream size of craft and always fly in a criss cross pattern and they do it away from airport flight paths and also possibly at night to avoid public snooping.

Chemtrails are real. The question asked to doubters is when did you last see a clear blue sky. And secondly you obviously know your government lies to yuo every day so why do you think they would not lie about this matter too?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but don't expect anything less than an ignorant response from those who want 'chemtrails' to be true.


Oh yes! I really want chemtrails to be true! In fact if I discover they are not true I think I'll just go ahead and poison all my friends and family anyway. Sir, or madam, you are an idiot. The term mophead is not an insult, but a fitting description given the drivel you spout.

I look forward to seeing your WW2 pictures ... zzzz, yawn!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It could be perfectly innocent - if you call weather modification innocent. Look floods in Yorkshire, now floods in wandsworth and maidenhead, Very localised in places that dont usually get floods. Maybe they are cloud seeding and just fooling around with our weather.


I find it interesting that while weather modification is practically a part of daily life in some countries and with full public knowledge, here there is not one mention of that technology in all the reports of extreme weather, it's a related area. But then I guess to mention weather control technology and weird extreme weather in the same report may open a few eyes.

Some interesting material re' manipulation of storms in this site:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point Ishaar.

I find it anomalous that some folk who accept technologies and practices like cloud seeding for agriculture, precipitation, hail suppression purposes etc., will not accept that these phenomena could be used for other purposes.

The technology exists, that much is a fact.

There are numerous companies advertising their services for same.

Yet the mention of an idea that suggests weather manipulation for purposes outside of the publicly acknowledged reasons, causes a reaction that rejects the idea.

Why is this ?

Surely, it's not too much of a hop from a) to b) is it, even as a logical position ?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yet the mention of an idea that suggests weather manipulation for purposes outside of the publicly acknowledged reasons, causes a reaction that rejects the idea.

Why is this ?

Surely, it's not too much of a hop from a) to b) is it, even as a logical position ?


Ah, but we are in the age of post 9 11 logic, a kind of self inflicted blindness shared by many who are sufficiently critically minded to know better but refuse to make that hop from a) to b). There is often, not always, a paradigm shift required in making that hop, a lot of people just lapse into denial, one minute conversing intelligently about storm control, then the merest hint that the technology could be used to direct a storm over a population rather than away from it and the mental cataracts come into play, end of conversation.

I'd like to add there is a world of difference when comparing weather control through the more traditional cloud seeding techniques and Haarp. May be stating the obvious there but the distinction needs to be made.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Theres no such thing as a 'serious researcher' into chemtrails, if the research was serious, the conclusion always reached would be that chemtrails are twaddle.

There are many researchers. Otherwise how did we all first learn about chemtrails? You are bravely keeping your head stuck firmly in the sand.

wepmob2000 wrote:

I have offered a critique of 'chemtrails' before, and when the going got tough, the 'chemtraillers' derided my evidence, and resorted to petty insults (much like Ishaar did earlier). Yes I'd be happy to offer a critique of any chemtrail article, with citable resources, but don't expect anything less than an ignorant response from those who want 'chemtrails' to be true.

This is a very silly comment as my collegue has stated. What kind of fool wants poison raining down on him to be true. What kind of fool. The fact is it is real and it is happening today here in the UK. And one day soon you too will understand and accept it. But by then it may be too late for all of us.
Far better to try and expose it and get it stopped. Because guaranteed it aint good for us.

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Researchers found ingredients such as, barium, aluminum, ethylene dibromide, polymer fibers and even some virus and bacteria. It was the barium that caught my attention because I had been reading reports of its use in Iraq to monitor terrorists. It was also used to track the runners in the film “Running Man“. You see barium makes you show up on an X-class radar. It also causes flu-like symptoms, anxiety attacks and the depletion of potassium. The military take potassium iodate before entering an area with chemtrails and it was, again, no surprise when an X-class radar left from Texas on an oil rig to reach Alaska where the HAARP facility is. It left right before Katrina hit.
Chemtrails along with HAARP can modify the weather and animal migration patterns. The metals we are breathing in are perfect conductors for the EM weaponry to be used on us and the virus’ can be activated by the HAARP array.

On another note: Will the current flooding affect:
a) the water supply
b) poisoning the water supply
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