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nrmis Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: |
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Has anyone else come forward to verify these power outages?
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for this Tony.
Scott Forbes comes across as being a credible witness.
Good effort all round.
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Ed Minor Poster
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Just a point, although I agree there probably were outages, I just listened to the interview on breakfornews which makes the case that the towers were actually built to be demolished. (It seems logical to do this if you think about it but of course the poor engineers involved would have no idea that their work would be used for such evil) If theres any truth in this then heres a question : - Will the freedom tower when finished also be designed to fall down?
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TonyGosling Editor
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: |
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I heard your recent interview with Scott Forbes and while I have no official capacity, I can provide personal anecdotal testimony of the WTC power-down he discusses.
I'm 42, and like Scott Forbes I'm an IT engineer. On September 11, I was working for a financial institution based in South Dakota, USA but which had offices in the World Trade Center towers.
I was a Senior Systems Engineer for the company. In that capacity, I was charged with the maintenance and monitoring of our wide-area network systems. This included not only our primary business locations in South Dakota, but also New York, San Francisco, and other areas of the US.
We had a monitoring system for all of our wide-area network equipment (maintained by me) which included our server in NYC and both the LAN and WAN interfaces of the Cisco router in the office. Consequently, any time we lost connectivity with NYC, I would be alerted via email sent to my
pager.
I recall the power-down in question quite vividly because it was one of the few times we had warning of an outage and consequently disabled
monitoring of the NYC site. This was in contrast to the overwhelming majority of WAN outages, which are caused by circuit failures (generally due to bad weather or construction), and can occur at any time without warning.
I'm sure that at least three of my co-workers (including the then-VP of IT) would remember the incident. We were all advised of the power-down well in advance and discussed disabling monitoring for the duration of the outage, as well as advising the local staff to power down the equipment in advance.
I found the timing of loss of connectivity on 9/11 rather amazing. I
recall coming downstairs after getting ready for work that morning and
being shocked when my then-wife pointed me to the TV. I remember being surprised that my pager hadn't gone off, since the company's WTC offices were well above the impact area. I've generally attributed the delay to the fact that our equipment had an emergency power supply that could run for up to three hours if power was lost.
Nevertheless, I was rather amazed that the circuit itself and the supporting equipment in the building were still functional well after the plane impacted.
It wasn't until twenty minutes or so later (as I walked from my car to the door to the office building) -- that my pager went off. There is an error margin of about five minutes, since the monitoring system made a sweep of NYC every five minutes. Assuming that connectivity was lost immediately after the preceding sweep, it could have been out for as long as five minutes before the next sweep caught it.
If you'd like to discuss this, please feel free to email me. I don't know that I can be of any particular help, but I did want to confirm that others besides those immediately involved were definitely aware of the power-down.
All the best,
Bill Stone
nrmis wrote: | Has anyone else come forward to verify these power outages? |
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TonyGosling Editor
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Also rec'd from the same chap:
I should hasten to add that I don't consider the power-down particularly noteworthy except in the context of the NYC Port Authority claiming that it didn't occur. In almost 20 years in the IT business, I've seen a number of power outages, planned and unplanned, and have occasionally caused a couple by accident or misadventure during the course of my work.
I should also clarify my general position: I'm a limited-government
Constitutionalist who believes that the American Federal Government abandoned both the spirit and letter of the Constitution long before I was born.
I've nothing against the Bush Administration per se: I view it as yet another in a lengthy string of administrations that believe foreign interventionism is both necessary and proper, in abject defiance of the Constitution. I'm not out to get anyone and don't believe that the exchange of a Right-wing socialist President for a Left-wing one would be an improvement. I'm simply disturbed that a government agency like the Port Authority would deny an event to which I happened to be a peripheral party.
I'm not among those who consider 9/11 an "inside job." In my opinion, most non-authoritarian governments don't have the wherewithal to successfully pull off a covert operation of such magnitude within its own borders. Certainly the American Federal Government doesn't.
One should remember that this is the same government that in 1972 couldn't even successfully pilfer an office in the Watergate Hotel. To secretly plant enough explosives to utterly destroy two of the tallest buildings in the world would involve an enormous amount of highly-trained personnel, large quantities of dangerous materiele, meticulous planning, and no small amount of luck. There is no evidence to suggest that the Federal Government is even remotely competent to pull it off.
Furthermore, many of the people who would be involved are career politicians who routinely betray each others' confidence the moment they perceive that there is even the slightest political advantage in doing so. They are not the Mafia or other organized crime, maintaining both silence and loyalty under pain of death.
In short, this would have been too big an operation for an entity as historically incompetent as the Federal Government to pull off. Someone involved would have come forward, some operative would have been seen at the wrong moment, or some public official would have blown the whistle as a political tactic, and the jig would have been up.
Imagine that the British Government decided to secretly destroy Canary Wharf and blame it on terrorists. Given the amount of people and materiele necessary, would your government be capable of successfully pulling it off?
There is no question in my mind that the current Iraq occupation was a subject of policy planning since at least 1991 and that the Bush Administration opportunistically used 9/11 to implement these policies. That these policies are in the process of failing isn't surprising, though not for the reasons most people imagine -- though I won't bore you with my thoughts on that.
At any rate, suffice it to say that I've no objection to having my knowledge of the power-down made public, provided that I'm not portrayed as believing it to be evidence of anything other than the usual incompetence one expects from a government that abandoned its own founding principles close to a century ago.
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Ed wrote: | Just a point, although I agree there probably were outages, I just listened to the interview on breakfornews which makes the case that the towers were actually built to be demolished. (It seems logical to do this if you think about it but of course the poor engineers involved would have no idea that their work would be used for such evil) If theres any truth in this then heres a question : - Will the freedom tower when finished also be designed to fall down? |
I agree that buildings are probably designed with demolition in mind but doubt very much that Explosives would be primed ready to go!
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. Thought I was watching this topic but apparently not. I am now.
So there are several? credible witnesses who can verify the power outage.
And the port authority are saying it didn't happen?
This seems like pretty big news if we can get statements from a few people. I'll have a look at the google search you suggest.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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nrmis wrote: | Thanks. Thought I was watching this topic but apparently not. I am now.
So there are several? credible witnesses who can verify the power outage.
And the port authority are saying it didn't happen?
This seems like pretty big news if we can get statements from a few people. I'll have a look at the google search you suggest. |
William Rodriguez also says there were power-downs, and no one can be more of a credible witness, or in a better position to know (he was janitor in the North Tower) than he. I'm sure most of the relatives of victims, for whom he is a spokesman, will have been told by their victim relatives about the power-downs before 9/11. Contact William through his website and ask him.
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Disco_Destroyer wrote: | Ed wrote: | Just a point, although I agree there probably were outages, I just listened to the interview on breakfornews which makes the case that the towers were actually built to be demolished. (It seems logical to do this if you think about it but of course the poor engineers involved would have no idea that their work would be used for such evil) If theres any truth in this then heres a question : - Will the freedom tower when finished also be designed to fall down? |
I agree that buildings are probably designed with demolition in mind but doubt very much that Explosives would be primed ready to go! |
I figure the wiring was built in and the power down was to patch in the actual explosives.
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