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Sherlock Holmes Validated Poster
Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 205 Location: Sunny Southampton
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: I Had A Visit from one of Britain's Finest Detectives Today! |
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A Visit from one of Britain's Finest Detectives.
(And it wasn't Sherlock Holmes!)
Imagine my surprise this morning (25th July 2007) to receive a phone call from the local constabulary in Hampshire, England. The police had been to my parent’s home looking for me, and now they were calling me on my mobile phone wanting to speak to me.
Why? ‘Well apparently you’ve been sending out DVDs on E-bay with the stuff you sell, and I want to talk to you about it.’, said the police officer. Adding further, ‘We’ve had numerous complaints from around the country, and we want to know what is going on’.
I’m paraphrasing but the words were to that effect. Now I want to mention that I’m in my early 40’s. Well it’s true and “it’s a fair cop governor”, as they say in the UK. I’ve been giving away 9/11 & 7/7 truth DVDs on E-bay when people buy stuff from me, it’s a great way of getting the message out to people isn’t it? It’s non profit distribution of documentary material. I’ve had a few people send them back, and one or two people have even complained, and gotten very irate. I generally sell collectable toys on E-Bay, so they only thing I was concerned about, was that some parent might have complained because I had sold a toy to a child and sent these DVDs to them too, but usually my customers are adults - yes adults collect toys! But I have two children of my own, and they've seen the DVDs and so have most/all of their friends!
Well I always say that if you don’t want them, don’t watch them, throw them in the bin. There’s nothing extremist, racist or pornographic on the DVDs, if there was we should all be shut down, and maybe that’s what "they" want. We know Tony Blair wants the internet censored because it’s only full of the latest conspiracy theory times 5; right Tony?!!
What exactly was on the DVDs that I’ve been giving away for free? Nothing more than the documentaries freely available on the internet that have been seen by millions, I’m talking about Terrorstorm, 9/11 Mysteries, The British Broadcasting Conspiracy, Loose Change, Mind the Gap, Ludicrous Diversion.
I was frightened, there’s no doubt about that, and so I had a chat with Tony Gosling (UK 9/11 truth) who asked me to write this up, and put it on the record. I’m not going to get into the details the police knew about me, even though I have no criminal record or any convictions of any description, because that would only be a "conspiracy theory"!
So I agreed to meet the police at 12.30pm, the police detective wanted to talk to me about the DVDs, but they emphasize, it’s only a “chat”. On meeting the detective, I said I was going to record the conversation on tape, the officer was polite and said he wasn’t happy about me recording the conversation, but I had the ‘right to do so as it was in my own home’. I have the audio recorded, for my own protection – it’s not that clear.
What I want to say is this, in summary the detective was worried that I was a terrorist, and although the content of the DVDs was not pornographic, racist, extremist, “they” wanted to know my personal views.
The police were worried that I was inciting hatred, a riot or people to carry out terror, none of which I am doing. He wanted to hear that should I hear that anyone was an extremist or wanting to become a suicide bomber, I would inform the police straight away!! Which obviously I would do!!
Further he wanted me to explain my views, and when the detective understood that I wasn’t a “Muslim extremist”, or an ‘islamo-fascist’ he actually took a copy of the DVDs and left. The detective agreed that there were unanswered questions, and he was happy that I wasn’t a terrorist. He said it was freedom of expression, and not inciting hatred, or violence. The detective just said that in future, I should ask people first, if they would like to see the DVDs, before I send them any DVDs.
So a victory for truth, a victory for freedom of expression and yes, the British police do know and they understand that a great mass of people in this country are not buying the official story.
In conclusion, I’m not a terrorist; I’m seeking the truth and asking questions. The detective was polite and not aggressive, he had not seen any of the DVDs (which was interesting because he knew that they had all been professionally made) but he took some, and gave me his card.
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The detective agreed that I have the right to ask questions, and he has no opinion on the events of 9/11, we didn’t talk much about 7/7 – although I said I wanted an independent enquiry. To emphasise the police officer was polite and said that there is nothing offensive, obscene or illegal in freely distributing these DVDs - as they are copyrighted but can be distributed free of charge.
Solidarity. |
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Pikey Banned
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1491 Location: North Lancashire
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Cruise4 Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Really good stuff. I'm know there are good police out there and if we can reach them its like a bonus ball. |
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karlos Validated Poster
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 2516 Location: london
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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This is quite a disturbing story.
What bothers me is why would the people who after all recieved the dvd as a free gift report you?
I cannot accuse the police of anything because once a report/complaint is made they have to follow it up but those sods who reported you should be named and shamed.
I get loads of disks throught the post, AOL, TICALLI, LADBROKES CASINO, etc almost every day a disk of some sort arrives, and i simply chuck them in the bin without complaint.
So why would these people feel compelled to report you?
It seems an idea thought to actually sell the disks on ebay for a penny each plus postage, then the buyers will not complain and at a penny each you are bound to shift loads. It will bump up your feedback and because the people have paid they will certainly watch it. You can give them resale rights too?
But keep up the good work. _________________
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kbo234 Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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So the detective was afraid that you were really that fiend Moriarty?
Well done Sherlock Holmes.
The ordinary policeman and policewoman seem to be mostly people who don't know very much....but trustingly accept the cr*p that government, the press and their superiors feed them.
I got some mildly aggressive treatment from police on a march in London when I was handing out 9/11 DVD's. After I spoke to the officers one of them, like your man, expressed an interest in seeing a DVD ('Loose Change 2, as I remember). I gave him a couple and felt that was the best 'hit' of the day.
Police will get as angry as the rest of us when they begin to understand what is going on and what they are being made part of......however, I'm sure in their kind of organisation they will only be prepared to voice their concerns in whispers.
I've recently started working in the science department of a large Comprehensive school. The good news is that four of the eight teachers in the department think exactly as I do about 9/11 and much else besides. They understand the significance of the money creation issue (they are all 'foreigners' though, including one Iraqi). Of the other 4 British staff, two don't really want to know and the other two are looking quietly serious about these issues but uncommitted, as yet.
I have been twice spoken to by senior management to keep my views to myself though ("You might demoralise the NQT's")......although this could have been not for 9/11 comments but for opinions expressed about OFSTED and its dishonest agenda. |
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Now you mention OFSTED, I've heard on the grapevine that they may be planning a visit to some Al Q madrasses in the light of the recent self-immolation drama at Glasgow.
Thanks for sharing this Sherlock. Sweet irony btw.
I'm sure that if a policeman asked me for my views on anything I'd not be inclined to answer.
My views are mine thank you very much.
I'll see them in court before I'll party with the thought police. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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kbo234 Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Mark Gobell wrote: | Now you mention OFSTED, I've heard on the grapevine that they may be planning a visit to some Al Q madrasses in the light of the recent self-immolation drama at Glasgow.
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To where? |
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Erm, dunno kbo.
Twas a sideways look at failing education & training standards.
Did you explain "your views" Sherlock ? _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
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Sherlock Holmes Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the kind words, opinions duly noted.
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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I would question your methods Sherlock.
Although, innovative I can easily imagine some recipients being totally shocked by viewing unsolicited 9/11 material.
I mean it's shocking enough for most folk with an open mind who can prepare for what they are about to view, let alone someone who knows nothing about the subject matter.
I can imagine Auntie Maud being seriously frightened by this stuff, so I'm not surprised that, it is alleged, some folk complained.
I'm not having a pop Sherlock, just looking at it from their pov.
As for plod wanting me to dump my mind, they can, very politely, go to hell.
What would be any likely charge ?
Possession of material likely to encourage terrorism ?
Providing material support to terrorists ?
Glorifying terrorism ?
What scene would they be able to contend, legally ?
WTC7 falling to the ground in 7 seconds ?
Visual evidence of explosions going off ?
Audio testimony from New Yorks finest ?
The Pentagon ?
etc etc
The court case would be very interesting indeed and one that, if properly addressed, I doubt whether the authorities would be likely to pursue, lest they wanted a long drawn out legal debate about the contents of the DVDs. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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Sherlock Holmes Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Mark Gobell wrote: | I would question your methods Sherlock.
Although, innovative I can easily imagine some recipients being totally shocked by viewing unsolicited 9/11 material.
I mean it's shocking enough for most folk with an open mind who can prepare for what they are about to view, let alone someone who knows nothing about the subject matter.
I can imagine Auntie Maud being seriously frightened by this stuff, so I'm not surprised that, it is alleged, some folk complained. |
Not just as shocking as actually seeing the planes flying into buildings and people jumping out and falling to their deaths??? Or the blood filled streets of Iraq? But at the end day, it's just like handing out DVDs on the street, or leaving them on people's windscreen wipers. If people don't want them then they can chuck them out.
OK point taken. |
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scubadiver Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Mark Gobell wrote: | I would question your methods Sherlock.
Although, innovative I can easily imagine some recipients being totally shocked by viewing unsolicited 9/11 material.
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I was going to write the first reply with that thought but I didn't know what the reaction would be.
It is sure important that we understand we can't force this information on to other people. They have to find out for themselves and it could make us look not too good. _________________ Currently working on a new website |
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I know. I know. I know.
We all do Sherlock.
But.
The medium is the massage mate and, as we all know, they are all massaged to the point of . . . .
Power to you mate. We need to have balls.
We need to take them on in our courts, while we've still got courts.
That's where we need to be and that's the only place that anything really matters. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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Cruise4 Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe some of the views here... just get it out anyway you can. This is a serious and quite possibly deadly situation and some of you guys are worried about etiquette. Go give these cowardly views to the BBC or other mainstream media liars. I sometimes wonder if some people have quite grasped it. |
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Long Tooth Moderate Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Mark Gobell wrote: | I know. I know. I know.
We all do Sherlock.
But.
The medium is the massage mate and, as we all know, they are all massaged to the point of . . . .
Power to you mate. We need to have balls.
We need to take them on in our courts, while we've still got courts.
That's where we need to be and that's the only place that anything really matters. |
to believe the courts are 'honest' is, in my view a very naieve expectation.
One only has to look at the Dr Kelly 'suicide' to see how evidence is manipulated and blocked. |
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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 6060 Location: East London
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Honest Courts? You might be lucky, but as the Judiciary (as everything else) is infested with 'Funny Handshake Merchants' I wouldn't count on it. At the end of the day, we'll find our Judiciary is as nobbled as the US Supreme Court.
Re giving police your opinions, I can't see anything wrong with that (unless they demand them). Surely we want to convince the 'plods' too? _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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spiv Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: No wrongdoing... |
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I'm sending unsolicited DVD's to our local Cornish MP's, so cannot see anything wrong in sending unsolicited 911 films to the public. Doing them a service as far as I'm concerned. Well done Sherlock.
Indeed, as a result of sending it to Andrew George (LibDem MP for Penwith & St Ives) the film "British Broadcasting Conspiracy" (and what a great film that one is, well done David Shayler et al for it. If you haven't yet seen it, view the stream from www.cornwall911truth.info) he wrote to me yesterday to say he has forwarded it on to the Foreign Secretary for his comments.
Not holding my breath, no doubt back will come the usual political b*llsh*t from these Labourites!! |
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scubadiver Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Cruise4 wrote: | I can't believe some of the views here... just get it out anyway you can. This is a serious and quite possibly deadly situation and some of you guys are worried about etiquette. Go give these cowardly views to the BBC or other mainstream media liars. I sometimes wonder if some people have quite grasped it. |
Oh well,
There is a fine difference between wanting to send out these DVDs with good intentions and how well the public will receive them because it requires them to sit down for 1.5 or 2 hours.
Can I make an alternative suggestion?
LEAFLETS!!!!! _________________ Currently working on a new website |
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Cruise4 Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: |
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I'll retract the cowardly part. Thats unfair, I don't think anyone involved in the truth movement deserves that.
Whether you use leaflets, DVD's, Stencils, Stickers, whatever some will always moan because the information takes them out their comfort zone and they would rather bury their head in the sand and hope the issue goes away.
The difference is their current opinion is based on lies and mis-information, and regardless of their feelings the truth must out, ultimately for their sake and everybody elses.
Its the old adage.... first they ridicule you, then they attack you, then they join you. Take it as a sign that we are reaching stage 2. |
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Linda Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Well done Sherlock.
I buy from Ebay, and when giving Feedback I always put Check out www.nineeleven.co.uk & www.julyseventh.co.uk in the feedback. If they want to check out the websites then they can. I always get Good feedback back. No one has yet complained. |
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Sherlock Holmes Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Linda wrote: | Well done Sherlock.
I buy from Ebay, and when giving Feedback I always put Check out www.nineeleven.co.uk & www.julyseventh.co.uk in the feedback. If they want to check out the websites then they can. I always get Good feedback back. No one has yet complained. |
I used to do that too. I had a WARNING given to me by E-bay saying that feed must not contain any advertisements of other websites!!
I left feedback to some American, I brought a book from this American, and I think that they obviously got very upset because I put www.911truth.org and www.julyseventh.co.uk in the feedback. Americans I find have a hard time accepting that their government is evil and killing people. Having visited America on a few occasions and seeing great big flags flying everywhere, everyone singing the national anthem all over the place, pledging allegiance saying god bless america every 5 minutes, saying god bless the president and homeless and poverty stricken people telling me America is the greatest country on earth after queing for 10 hours to get a prescription for 21 penicillin I realised how brainwashed these people were, so I understand. It actually makes you want to puke, regularly and often.
It's a nice country, the people are friendly on the whole, the big spaces are awesome and within that arrogance is a love of liberty if only they knew what it actually meant.
So be mindful. I now put INVESTIGATE 9/11 & 7/7, but I suppose until you receive a warning from E-Bay I would carry on. |
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Disco_Destroyer Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: |
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easy way out of that predicament is drop the www and as an example put .st911.org so it is not an active link _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
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Thermate911 Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Good on yer, Sherlock! Our strength must come from the desire to promote truth and justice, at all costs.
Cruise4 wrote: | I can't believe some of the views here... just get it out anyway you can. This is a serious and quite possibly deadly situation and some of you guys are worried about etiquette. Go give these cowardly views to the BBC or other mainstream media liars. I sometimes wonder if some people have quite grasped it. |
I approve of this post wholeheartedly.
Our own attempts around here meet largely with approval. It has struck me most forcibly that for every one person proclaiming the truth there are a thousand who keep it to themselves, through fear or whatever.
The time for polite has long gone. Those we are up against don't know polite - they only know force.
They are psychopaths. We have been taught to believe psycho's are impossibly dangerous. Yes they are but they are no match for a few million angry determined people...
In October 2000 Nicholas Rockefeller admitted to Aaron Russo that there was going to be a 'big paradigm shifting event soon'. He also admitted that it would be a gigantic hoax. He found this amusing...
w ww. youtube. com/watch?v=YCmsT_I6SaE
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Andrew Johnson Mighty Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Sherlock,
Thanks for your campaigning efforts. It sounds like a generally good outcome - you have potentially started an education process for the individual concerned. Will he follow the evidence? Will he stick to his methods of detection to find the truth? If so, he could be in a for a "rude awakening".
Well done on your approach and handling of the affair - I wonder who contacted the police about you though! _________________ Andrew
Ask the Tough Questions, Folks! |
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Reflecter Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Great work Sherlock.
i had seen a number of ebay shops actually selling these films aswell (cost price) and I had wondered where they faired in the copyright business. To be ascertained I guess.
To dish them out for free, will of course cause complaints but may awaken interest in a few.
However to have the polices fairly definitive conclusion on the distribution of such materials is a major winner for the campaign. I suggest people copy the polices conclusion on this matter and carry it as proof about your person, when dishing out such materials. This was an official complaint and response and as such should stand up against confiscation and harassment when out distributing. Or so I hope.
I also hope the policeman and others in question will start doing their own investigations. _________________ The Peoples United Collective TPUC.ORG
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Long Tooth Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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One can only imagine the horrors sherlock if you had dark skin or a black beard. you'd have probably made a news item on the BBC's 6 oclock news. After being held as another terrorist suspect, then shipped to guantanamo or another not yet known secret location. Its no wonder the asian communities shy away from activism on 9/11 truth is it? |
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Sherlock Holmes Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Long Tooth wrote: | One can only imagine the horrors sherlock if you had dark skin or a black beard. you'd have probably made a news item on the BBC's 6 oclock news. After being held as another terrorist suspect, then shipped to guantanamo or another not yet known secret location. Its no wonder the asian communities shy away from activism on 9/11 truth is it? |
I agree Muslims that I know won't touch this stuff with a barge pole, bearded and non bearded, but they've all seen the stuff.
As for the dark skin and beard, I suppose being a Sikh helps |
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Reflecter Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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In Manchester the Muslim Society at the university certainly wanted little to do with it bar giving up alot of time to hear the arguments in their defense. However the Manchester Truth group does (did) have a few Muslims associated to it, who hand out DVD's like terrorstorm in the street along with Islamic materials. Perhaps the braver of them and frankly I dont blame the others in the worsening climate at all. _________________ The Peoples United Collective TPUC.ORG
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Sherlock Holmes Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Reflecter wrote: | In Manchester the Muslim Society at the university certainly wanted little to do with it bar giving up alot of time to hear the arguments in their defense. However the Manchester Truth group does (did) have a few Muslims associated to it, who hand out DVD's like terrorstorm in the street along with Islamic materials. Perhaps the braver of them and frankly I dont blame the others in the worsening climate at all. |
Manchester University[/u] Power to you, I remember that episode of University Challenge, you know the one.
Q: How many allotropes of carbon occur naturally?
A:Trotsky
Q: How many towers fell on 9/11?
A: Trotsky
Q: What is the melting point of Steel?
A: Trotsky
Q: In Computer Science what does the abbreviation CPU stand for?
A: Trotsky
Do they still have those kind of balls in Manchester?? That's the spirit required!!! |
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paul wright Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Some kind of awareness working its way into cop consciousness. First Stephen being hassled in Liverpool,the Bradford guy being locked up for the night for being in possession of a leaflet, and now Sherlock's little visitation.
It's all starting to add up to something. Is it good or bad?
I don't know. It certainly seems that we are more and more likely to 'interface' with the forces of law and control _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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