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Long Tooth
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Mossad did it you pontificate? yeah right, the UK and USA had no part in it whatsoever!!! So with your logic, the mossad got the whole of the usa airforce to stand down by 'arranging' the 'terrorist' simulation/drills that day, without key government and intel agencies knowing or suspecting anything at all? that reasoning is on a no planes wacko level to me.
your other erronious assumptions too, ie galloway will be a lone anti israeli voice, by basing your guess of, it was only mossad that dun it, renders your theory useless.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now, i know we have had many diffrences in the past on here, but your logic in reasoning leads me to conclude that you are misguided rather than deliberately malicious.
for example, you state, i am not a christian, therefore, with your logic i am a satanist, therefore i am a devil worshipper, and therefore an enemy of 9/11 truth, the trouble with you boxing/pigeon holeing people continuously leads to crazy conclusions, which is what you have done with the ''galloway is a lone anti israel voice'' by assuming it was a mossad only op on 9/11 and 7/7 leads you out of reality and into fantasy, basing your assumptions ever further down the line into more and more ridiculous guessing games and pigeon holeing.
you are doing as much damage to 9/11 truth as the no planers by promoting it was, the mossad that dun it all. |
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http://darrendixon.supanet.com/wecontrolamerica.htm
| Quote: | | On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us. "Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America." |
The Israelis control so much of the American defence establishment, the media and finance they do what they like in the USA. They have their grubby hands all over 9/11. |
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| blackcat wrote: | http://darrendixon.supanet.com/wecontrolamerica.htm
| Quote: | | On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us. "Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America." |
The Israelis control so much of the American defence establishment, the media and finance they do what they like in the USA. They have their grubby hands all over 9/11. |
''The israelis control so much of the american defense establishment'', that is completely different to saying they control all of the american defense establishment. we are walking on old ground with this blackcat, to say mossad dun it all, i believe you have mossad et al, just where they want you.
To say mossad did all of 9/11, every aspect, is equally misleading.
to say mossad was involved i can accept, along with the UK and USA, but to pin everything on mossad is stretching credibility to its furthest point. |
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LongTooth are you honestly saying MOSSAD had nothing to do with it in your opinion?
The fact that the wtc owner Larry Silverstein was a huge zionist fundraiser. The fact that the mossad and shin beth run company comverse had contracts for security at certain US airports.
The fact that there were dancing Israelis arrested on the rooftop and held in custody for seven weeks.
The fact that Israelis were arrested driving a truck load of explosives on the day of 911 across a New York bridge.
The fact that an Israeli company called Amdocs runs phone taps and telephone monitering.
The fact is yes Bush and Cheney were involved in the crime but they had to use mossad operatives for much of the logistics. As these were the only 'trustwothy' and ruthless people for the job.
You obviously have not heard of AIPAC and on the 27th August 2004, CBS News broke a story about an FBI investigation into a possible spy in the US Department of Defense working for Israel. The story reported that the FBI had uncovered a spy working as a policy analyst under Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith and then Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. He was later identified as Lawrence Franklin, who had previously served as an attaché at the US embassy in Israel and was one of two mid-level Pentagon officials in the Office of the Secretary of Defense responsible for Iran policy in the office's Northern Gulf directorate. He has since been demoted within the Defense Department and no longer has his previous security privileges. Furthermore, he was sentenced on January 20, 2006 to 12 years and 7 months in prison sentence and a $10,000 fine for passing classified information to a pro-Israel lobby group and an Israeli diplomat
Lawrence Franklin has pled guilty to passing on a classified Presidential Directive, and other sensitive documents pertaining to US deliberations on foreign policy regarding Iran, to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, who in turn provided the information to Israel. FBI sources have indicated that the year-long investigation was actively underway when the CBS News story broke.
According to FBI surveillance tapes, Franklin relayed top-secret information to Steve Rosen, AIPAC's then-policy director, and Keith Weissman, a senior Iran analyst with AIPAC, while at the Tivoli Restaurant in Arlington, Virginia. On 27 August, the FBI raided Rosen's office, copying his personal computer's hard drive.
The London bombings. Again mossad has it's hands all over them. The company that runs the security Verint is run by self confessed ex mossad agents. The military grade explosives used, the warning issued to the Israeli embassy, the reports in the Israeli media about simultaneous explosions before this fact had been discovered. And many other anomalies already discussed on other topics.
Look the fact that mossad operatives took part does not mean they were solely to blame. Ofcourse they are merely hired hands working on a contract. Blair and Brown and the othe Blair - Ian would have had to give the nod.
Remember for the Us to use the CIA and for the UK to use M15 would create problems of conscience and whistleblowers. If you are British and someone tells you to blow up your fellow citizens in your hometown you may choose not to obey orders. Likewise a new york CIA operative.
But the same rules of engagement do not apply to Mossad. As you have read above they are happy to point the blame at others. False flags are their middle name. And to get paid for doing something you enjoy and do anyway is a win win for them.
If you think mossad were not involved in the 911 and 7/7 events despite all the weight of evidence, news footage, arrests and even US citizens are saying the same thing.
But the problem is if Galloway comes out the closet and starts beating the drum he will get labelled and blacklisted. That is a dead cert. So better for him to keep his powder dry.
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LongTooth are you honestly saying MOSSAD had nothing to do with it in your opinion?
The fact that the wtc owner Larry Silverstein was a huge zionist fundraiser. The fact that the mossad and shin beth run company comverse had contracts for security at certain US airports.
The fact that there were dancing Israelis arrested on the rooftop and held in custody for seven weeks.
The fact that Israelis were arrested driving a truck load of explosives on the day of 911 across a New York bridge.
The fact that an Israeli company called Amdocs runs phone taps and telephone monitering.
The fact is yes Bush and Cheney were involved in the crime but they had to use mossad operatives for much of the logistics. As these were the only 'trustwothy' and ruthless people for the job.
You obviously have not heard of AIPAC and on the 27th August 2004, CBS News broke a story about an FBI investigation into a possible spy in the US Department of Defense working for Israel. The story reported that the FBI had uncovered a spy working as a policy analyst under Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith and then Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. He was later identified as Lawrence Franklin, who had previously served as an attaché at the US embassy in Israel and was one of two mid-level Pentagon officials in the Office of the Secretary of Defense responsible for Iran policy in the office's Northern Gulf directorate. He has since been demoted within the Defense Department and no longer has his previous security privileges. Furthermore, he was sentenced on January 20, 2006 to 12 years and 7 months in prison sentence and a $10,000 fine for passing classified information to a pro-Israel lobby group and an Israeli diplomat
Lawrence Franklin has pled guilty to passing on a classified Presidential Directive, and other sensitive documents pertaining to US deliberations on foreign policy regarding Iran, to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, who in turn provided the information to Israel. FBI sources have indicated that the year-long investigation was actively underway when the CBS News story broke.
According to FBI surveillance tapes, Franklin relayed top-secret information to Steve Rosen, AIPAC's then-policy director, and Keith Weissman, a senior Iran analyst with AIPAC, while at the Tivoli Restaurant in Arlington, Virginia. On 27 August, the FBI raided Rosen's office, copying his personal computer's hard drive.
The London bombings. Again mossad has it's hands all over them. The company that runs the security Verint is run by self confessed ex mossad agents. The military grade explosives used, the warning issued to the Israeli embassy, the reports in the Israeli media about simultaneous explosions before this fact had been discovered. And many other anomalies already discussed on other topics.
Look the fact that mossad operatives took part does not mean they were solely to blame. Ofcourse they are merely hired hands working on a contract. Blair and Brown and the othe Blair - Ian would have had to give the nod.
Remember for the Us to use the CIA and for the UK to use M15 would create problems of conscience and whistleblowers. If you are British and someone tells you to blow up your fellow citizens in your hometown you may choose not to obey orders. Likewise a new york CIA operative.
But the same rules of engagement do not apply to Mossad. As you have read above they are happy to point the blame at others. False flags are their middle name. And to get paid for doing something you enjoy and do anyway is a win win for them.
If you think mossad were not involved in the 911 and 7/7 events despite all the weight of evidence, news footage, arrests and even US citizens are saying the same thing.
But the problem is if Galloway comes out the closet and starts beating the drum he will get labelled and blacklisted. That is a dead cert. So better for him to keep his powder dry.
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| stelios wrote: | LongTooth are you honestly saying MOSSAD had nothing to do with it in your opinion?
The fact that the wtc owner Larry Silverstein was a huge zionist fundraiser. The fact that the mossad and shin beth run company comverse had contracts for security at certain US airports.
The fact that there were dancing Israelis arrested on the rooftop and held in custody for seven weeks.
The fact that Israelis were arrested driving a truck load of explosives on the day of 911 across a New York bridge.
The fact that an Israeli company called Amdocs runs phone taps and telephone monitering.
The fact is yes Bush and Cheney were involved in the crime but they had to use mossad operatives for much of the logistics. As these were the only 'trustwothy' and ruthless people for the job.
You obviously have not heard of AIPAC and on the 27th August 2004, CBS News broke a story about an FBI investigation into a possible spy in the US Department of Defense working for Israel. The story reported that the FBI had uncovered a spy working as a policy analyst under Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith and then Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. He was later identified as Lawrence Franklin, who had previously served as an attaché at the US embassy in Israel and was one of two mid-level Pentagon officials in the Office of the Secretary of Defense responsible for Iran policy in the office's Northern Gulf directorate. He has since been demoted within the Defense Department and no longer has his previous security privileges. Furthermore, he was sentenced on January 20, 2006 to 12 years and 7 months in prison sentence and a $10,000 fine for passing classified information to a pro-Israel lobby group and an Israeli diplomat
Lawrence Franklin has pled guilty to passing on a classified Presidential Directive, and other sensitive documents pertaining to US deliberations on foreign policy regarding Iran, to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, who in turn provided the information to Israel. FBI sources have indicated that the year-long investigation was actively underway when the CBS News story broke.
According to FBI surveillance tapes, Franklin relayed top-secret information to Steve Rosen, AIPAC's then-policy director, and Keith Weissman, a senior Iran analyst with AIPAC, while at the Tivoli Restaurant in Arlington, Virginia. On 27 August, the FBI raided Rosen's office, copying his personal computer's hard drive.
The London bombings. Again mossad has it's hands all over them. The company that runs the security Verint is run by self confessed ex mossad agents. The military grade explosives used, the warning issued to the Israeli embassy, the reports in the Israeli media about simultaneous explosions before this fact had been discovered. And many other anomalies already discussed on other topics.
Look the fact that mossad operatives took part does not mean they were solely to blame. Ofcourse they are merely hired hands working on a contract. Blair and Brown and the othe Blair - Ian would have had to give the nod.
Remember for the Us to use the CIA and for the UK to use M15 would create problems of conscience and whistleblowers. If you are British and someone tells you to blow up your fellow citizens in your hometown you may choose not to obey orders. Likewise a new york CIA operative.
But the same rules of engagement do not apply to Mossad. As you have read above they are happy to point the blame at others. False flags are their middle name. And to get paid for doing something you enjoy and do anyway is a win win for them.
If you think mossad were not involved in the 911 and 7/7 events despite all the weight of evidence, news footage, arrests and even US citizens are saying the same thing.
But the problem is if Galloway comes out the closet and starts beating the drum he will get labelled and blacklisted. That is a dead cert. So better for him to keep his powder dry. |
Stelios.
you are not digesting what i am saying,.
you say mossad dun it all
i say they were a part, yes with the evidence at hand a very large part.
nowhere do i ever say mossad had no part, so i wonder why you put words into my mouth?
i have heard of everything you document.
my point is i cannot agree that mossad dun it all, i say that there must have been others in on it too, ie usa and uk 'agencies'. see my above posts so i am not repeating myself twenty times for you.
one thing we do agree on, it wasant the 19 saudi patsies fingered within hours of the attacks.
if one knows it is going to happen, and one isant a mossad, and one dosant do anything to stop the crime, then one is an accsessory to the crime, or in this case a terrorist. |
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for example, you state, i am not a christian, therefore, with your logic i am a satanist, therefore i am a devil worshipper, and therefore an enemy of 9/11 truth, the trouble with you boxing/pigeon holeing people continuously leads to crazy conclusions, which is what you have done with the ''galloway is a lone anti israel voice'' by assuming it was a mossad only op on 9/11 and 7/7 leads you out of reality and into fantasy, basing your assumptions ever further down the line into more and more ridiculous guessing games and pigeon holeing.
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Where have i used the word ONLY when refering to mossad.
When have i called you a SATANIST
When have i called you a DEVIL WORSHIPPER
apart from Galloway can you name any other broadcaster who acively campaigns against Israel
apart from Galloway can you name any other MP who acively campaigns against Israel
For some reason you feel some sour grapes from your previous arguments with me and wish to bring them into this debate. I have said many times that you are an ATHEIST, and i have stated that ATHEISM has caused most wars and most human carnage. Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc are examples i have quoted. Galloway has said he believes in god. He is himself a Catholic, and his lebanese wife is a Muslim. His former wife was also a muslim.
So in response to the topic that is another reason for me to consider him a friend rather than s foe.
Let me make myself clear, Mossad had a big hand in 911 and 7/7. It may not have been exclusively a mossad op but they were very major players. Galloway is probably the one person who cannot recount that fact publically. Someone else has to do it.
| LongTooth wrote: | | The israelis control so much of the american defense establishment'', that is completely different to saying they control all of the american defense establishment |
This is known as arguing over semantics or in other words arguing the toss.
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Galloway was on the airwaves praising GB in not too uncertain terms.
In other words looking for a way back into the Labour Party. But GB pulled the rug under his feet it appears with his provisional parliamentary ban.
He is a staunch globalist and if anyone ever criticises overdevelopment in London he attacks them for being ...racist.
He is a bantustan politician whether we like it or not.
He plays the scottish card yet relies on the muslim anti-war vote to get elected.
He is confined within the boundaries of parliamentary politics.
That implies he is a CAREER politician. Nothing more nothing less.
For that reason he wont touch 9/11. He disorganises any anti-war movement by attacking all those seeking to find the truth to the 'war on terror'.
As such he is a master of the politics of divide and rule. This is the legacy of the Labour Party. |
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| Stelios wrote: | | I have said many times that you are an ATHEIST, and i have stated that ATHEISM has caused most wars and most human carnage. Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc are examples i have quoted. |
You have indeed said it MANY times in spite of the obvious nonsense that it is. To assign atheism to those people (which is itself questionable since Hitler was a devout Catholic and I doubt that all the others were professed atheists) is no more meaningful that assigning "maleness" to them. They were all as it happens males but did not do what they did in the name of maleness. They were all from the northern hemisphere but did not do their evil deeds in the cause of "northern hemisphereness". There are doubtless a multitude of characteristics that they have in common NONE of which have a bearing on what they did. They did what they did ostensibly in pursuit of a political ideology such as Communism. The fact they were male, pale or atheist has no bearing on their deeds. Religions however frequently have as part of their creed the cry to force others to join them on pain of death if they refuse. It is one of the ways that Islam spread and how Christianity was promulgated in much of the world. The difference is glaring, blatant and massive, but you are so bigoted and brainwashed you will never see through the fog that has been blanketing you since birth, any more than most Christians will who have been similarly hypnotised. I have personally witnessed the religious police in Saudi Arabia beating people to force them to stop shopping and go to prayer. That is how "belief" and "faith" has been maintained throughout the ages and when people are genuinely allowed to freely choose then millions abandon their religious chains. This freedom from religious indoctrination sits uneasily with the likes of you Stelios, which is why you have to label such people with the term Atheist and make out they are as bad as your own kind, imprisoned by superstition and cant. We are neither better nor worse but we are not a movement or a belief system no matter how many times you say it. We do not meet, we have no agenda, we have no membership or symbols. We are not an anachronism and we do not seek to ensnare others into ignorance like mainstream religions, nor send people into wars to fight for God. |
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| Stelios wrote: | | I have said many times that you are an ATHEIST, and i have stated that ATHEISM has caused most wars and most human carnage. Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc are examples i have quoted. |
Hello Blackcat.
Long Tooth accused me of calling him a satanist and a devil worshipper.
I have never called him either of those things.
I repeated what i have called him for the sake of clarity.
I did once call him Nosferatu on account of his long tooth but that was in jest.
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You have indeed said it MANY times in spite of the obvious nonsense that it is. To assign atheism to those people (which is itself questionable since Hitler was a devout Catholic |
That is a blatant falsehood. Hitler was not a catholic. The fact that he was supported by the catholic church and partially financed by the Vatican is irrelevant. He was NOT a catholic. His mother was catholic but Hitler did not attend mass and he rejected Catholism. He was an avid follower of Darwin. We have discussed this at length and yet despite all the weight of evidence you still call Hitler a catholic. Hitler described himself as the messiah and Germany as heaven. Does that sound like a catholic to you?
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They did what they did ostensibly in pursuit of a political ideology such as Communism. The fact they were male, pale or atheist has no bearing on their deeds.
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And i say it had a great deal of bearing
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Religions however frequently have as part of their creed the cry to force others to join them on pain of death if they refuse. It is one of the ways that Islam spread and how Christianity was promulgated in much of the world. The difference is glaring, blatant and massive, but you are so bigoted and brainwashed you will never see through the fog that has been blanketing you since birth, any more than most Christians will who have been similarly hypnotised.
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I dont want to keep being rude to you but you really do antagonise me. Are you saying in todays Britain religion is in someway forced upon people? When you are giving your kids easter eggs or buying them xmas presents is that what you mean?
Islam and Christianity have spread through voluntary conversion. People were killed because they DID believe in God rather than the emperours or kings of old. Even in communist countries such as Albania people were forced to renounce religion upon pain of death. Darwins teachings are forced upon us from childhood. We are brainwashed AGAINST religion not in favour of it.
In what way am i bigoted? I have never described anyone in any racist, sexist, or any other bigoted way. If you consider my anti-atheist words bigoted, then please note i consider your anti God views and anti conservative views bigoted too.
And for your information i only became religious in any way after 911.
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I have personally witnessed the religious police in Saudi Arabia beating people to force them to stop shopping and go to prayer.
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Saudi Arabia is a fuedal dictatorship maintained by the american bases. It is not a religious country in any way. Unless you consider high class toms, casinos and cocaine religious.
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This freedom from religious indoctrination sits uneasily with the likes of you Stelios, which is why you have to label such people with the term Atheist and make out they are as bad as your own kind, imprisoned by superstition and cant. We are neither better nor worse but we are not a movement or a belief system no matter how many times you say it. We do not meet, we have no agenda, we have no membership or symbols. We are not an anachronism and we do not seek to ensnare others into ignorance like mainstream religions, nor send people into wars to fight for God. |
God can fight his own battles. Ok i am not labelling you atheist. How would you like to label yourself?
I am not superstitous at all. It is satnic to be superstitious and forbidden by most religions.
I would consider atheism is a problem for the world not least because it spawns evil, brutal killers and regimes.
Atheism is a belief system, watch the documentary 'the trouble with atheism'. Atheism is like anti-matter. Do you believe 911 was an inside job or not both positions are a belief. God exists or God does not exist are both beliefs. Your belief system is that you evolved from a fish that crawled out of the water and turned into an ape and them came down from the trees and stood up and looked up at the sky and said things like "As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know. "
In my opinion your belief is wrong, and ridiculous, without evidence, impossible, downright naive.
Blackcat i am not trying to save you or indoctrinate you. I am sure you are pretty intrenched in your beliefs to consider that there may be other things in this world such as an afterlife, God, and a bigger picture. As i said until 911 i was a pretty un Godfearing person. Living a carefree life. I went to Church of England schools and sang hymns and learnt about Christianity. I also had my fathers muslim heritage, but as he and my mum divorced when i was 10 he never really taught me much about Islam or at least i did not remember much.
I was born and raised in Tottenham which at the time was a mainly Jewish area on London with a large number of orthodox Jews. There were a number of Jewish families living in my street. I now live in Finchley which has a large number of secular Jews. So i would deny my upbringing made me anything other than cosmopolitan.
After 911 i had a re appraisal and realised there was alot more to life and that there is a bigger picture to life. Many other people are waking up too and realising that from childhood we are brainwashed. History is mainly a lie, 911 is recent but there are many things which started with Darwinism, Marxism and Zionism which have shaped the modern world.
And harmed the whole world.
Darwinism, Marxism and Zionism three sides to the same evil triangle. Control, brainwashing, belief that certain individuals can control the masses. Survival of the fittest. Dog eat Dog, eat or be eaten, sub humans and super humans. Illuminati.
Dictators, politburo, commissioners, answering to nobody not even their own consciences because they dont belief in God just what is in their back pockets.
Even if you are an atheist, the world is a better place the more people that believe in God, because a totally atheist world will be a living hell. It will be dog eat dog.
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| conspiracy analyst wrote: | Galloway was on the airwaves praising GB in not too uncertain terms.
As such he is a master of the politics of divide and rule. This is the legacy of the Labour Party. |
I am not saying Galloway is the nuts
I disagree with him on Europe, Arafat, Ulster, Marxism,
But as i have said, he is the leading anti-war MP and Broadcaster. The war which has killed a million and caused more pollution, more devastation and more death is the number one issue at the moment in the world.
The cause of most of the worlds troubles stems from zionism even the war in Iraq and the war against Islam.
Galloway is the number one anti-zionist
So on balance he is worth supporting.
My number 2 politician is Nigel Farage
My number 3 is William Hague
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In the end, we will have to be grateful for any politician that can grab a sound byte of air time to plant the right questions in the publics mind.
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So as someone who obviously doesn't like Hitler, you will be a fan of Stalin? |
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Niet
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rik st albans
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Black Cat,you called Karlos a "commie atheist" as if this is abhorrent to you.
Are you a religious fascist and is this better? |
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illeagalhunter
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| Galloway is an attention seeking perma tanned headcase |
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kbo234
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| Stelios wrote: | | I have said many times that you are an ATHEIST, and i have stated that ATHEISM has caused most wars and most human carnage. Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc are examples i have quoted. |
Wars and human carnage are not caused by abstract nouns. They are caused by wicked humans with an agenda.
Here, for what it is worth, is a view on this issue which I agree.
KB
Why the Bankers Love the Left
December 28, 2007
Count Cherep-Spiridovitch was a Czarist general who battled the Bolsheviks in the 1917 Russian Revolution.
In 1926 he published a book entitled "The Secret World Government" which shows how the Rothschild's plan for world tyranny (ie. "the Jewish Conspiracy," "British Imperialism," "NWO") dominates modern history.
Secret World Government is generally considered "right wing" and "anti Semitic."
The "right wing" and "anti Semitic" smear is revealing:
1) It shows the extent society already has been brainwashed and subverted.
2) It reveals how the bogus issue of anti Semitism is used to divert attention from a genuine and mortal threat to humanity.
3) It explains the true meaning of "right wing" and why the Left is an instrument of the bankers.
LOOK AT THE US CIVIL WAR
Compare the treatment of this war in "The Secret World Government" with "A Peoples History of the United States" by Howard Zinn, a leftist, who cannot mouth the word "Rothschild."
Cherep-Spiridovitch cites an interview with the German chancellor Otto von Bismarck in 1876. Bismarck explained that the Rothschilds who controlled Europe were afraid the United States would become independent of them if it remained one nation.
"They foresaw tremendous booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies indebted to the Jewish financiers to the vigorous republic confident and self providing. Therefore they started their emissaries in order to exploit the question of slavery and thus to dig an abyss between the two parts of the republic." (180)
The Illuminati used the Masonic "Knights of the Golden Circle" formed in 1854 by George W. L. Bickley, to spread racial tension by making slavery an issue. Members included Lincoln assassin John Wilkes Booth, Confederate President Jefferson Davis, and his adviser Judah P. Benjamin, the Confederate Secretary of War, a Rothschild agent.
The plan was to divide the United Sates between England controlled by Lionel Rothschild and France, controlled by James Rothschild. France was to take over the whole South while Canada annexed the defeated North. In 1863 France and Spain invaded Mexico with 30,000 troops. The embattled Confederate States actually offered Louisiana and Texas to France in exchange for its assistance.
Britain, France and other European powers were ready to snuff out the young republic but were deterred by Russia, the only European power not in the Rothschild's thrall. Czar Alexander II sent his fleets to New York and San Francisco and declared that an attack on Lincoln was an attack on Russia.
Meanwhile Lincoln created "greenback" dollars to finance the war and escape indebtedness to the foreign financiers. "They understood at once that the United States would escape their grip," Bismarck said." The death of Lincoln was resolved upon. Nothing is easier than to find a fanatic to strike." (180) (See also The Civil War and Control of Money. )
Compare this with Howard Zinn who although a socialist, makes no mention of European financiers. His book is a soap opera of oppression by the capitalists. He says the war was a clash of "elites."
"The Northern elite wanted economic expansion.... The slave interests opposed all that. " (189) Again, "The American government had set out to ... retain the enormous national territory and market and resources. " (198)
In other words "capitalism" in general and not the Rothschild Illuminati caused this heinous war that cost 500,000 soldiers' lives and eight billion dollars. Is it any wonder these bankers, who are the real establishment, love the Left? Is it any wonder they populate our universities with pious Marxists (and feminists) who never question why they are pulling down big salaries if they are really defying the establishment?
Another Pied Piper is Noam Chomsky who attributes all evil to capitalism and American imperialism. As far as I know, he never mentions the Rothschilds, the lluminati, the Council on Foreign Relations or the New World Order. He pretends that Oklamhoma City and 9-11 were not inside jobs.
"We shall erase from the memories of men all facts of previous centuries which are undesirable to us," say the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. "And leave only those which depict all the errors of the government of the goyim." (Protocol 16)
The problem is not American capitalism but the control of the nation's credit by a small private international cartel which has used this advantage to build a monopoly in every key industry. This international group is behind western imperialism. Its totalitarian occult agenda (a.k.a, globalism) is now corporate policy.
The big government vs big business paradigm creates diverts attention from the Illuminati bankers who own both. It places the blame on capitalism and the US, which has been under Illuminati control for at least a century. It teaches each new generation to be alienated from their country, culture and economic system, and to become dysfunctional and impotent.
The bankers want Big Government that they control through debt. They have a monopoly of money and need a monopoly of power (i.e government.) Together these monopolies are the essence of Communism. The people are bribed by social services which create debt (and banker profit.) The bankers need a global police state to ensure that no nation defaults on their debt or challenges their credit monopoly.
ANTI SEMITISM
Anti Semitism is another tactic to divert attention from the Rothschild's Satanic plan for world tyranny.
Cherep-Spiritovitch concludes:
"According to Bismarck the awful Civil War in America was fomented by a Jewish Conspiracy, and Abraham Lincoln the hero and national saint of the United States was killed by the same Hidden Hand which killed six Romanov Czars, ten kings and scores of Ministers only to easier bleed their nations." (181)
He is not talking about Jews in general but only those who advance the Rothschild Illuminati agenda. His book makes an appeal to righteous Jews, and recognizes that many non-Jews have sold out.
"The Jews should bring to bay the 'Satanists' who corrupt the countries in which they have found asylum," the Preface says: " the Gentiles should render every Judas who accepts the bribes of the Jews."
Bankers and their agents (Bnai Brith etc.) deflect this challenge by conflating the Rothschilds with all Jews.
They transform a political and economic issue into a racial one.
Why do so many Jews think they are responsible for the Rothschilds and the Illuminati? It looks suspicious.
The bankers' Satanic Conspiracy is the source of anti Semitism. The sooner Jews oppose it; the sooner anti Semitism will end.
Who actually is behind the assassination of Bhutto Thursday? I can't pretend to know. But throughout history the central bankers have assassinated politicians who stand in their way or whose removal will result in war. Lincoln, Arch Duke Ferdinand and JFK are the most prominent but there are hundreds.
See my "Illuminati Murdered At Least Two Other Presidents"
CONCLUSION
The Rothschild Illuminati Conspiracy is the essential challenge facing mankind. Talk of American imperialism, capitalism and "hate" (anti Semitism) is a cynical diversion.
Modern world history is nothing but the process by which this satanic force is replacing Western Civilization with an occult world police state managed by taser and television. The whole world is being colonized by this imperialist power, money, which is behind all left, liberal, Communist and revolutionary movements. What is "progressive" is progress only in their occult terms.
Socialist Presidential candidate Norman Thomas said, "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
The world is in the advanced stages of a diabolical multi generational conspiracy. The general method and goals have all been revealed in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Our educators, leaders and media have largely been subverted.
A "right wing crackpot" then is anyone who favors individual freedom and self-reliance, family, nation, race, and God. These are the things that the Illuminati needs to destroy.
There is a curse that says may you "live in interesting times." The world elites have been hoodwinked to believe they are building a Brave New World. In fact they are accomplices in the mental, spiritual and possibly physical enslavement of humanity.
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blackcat
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keithm
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George Galloway banned me from talksport last night,for saying,
U.S voting machines are rigged,
9/11 was an inside job,
i support ron paul, and the next U.S president has probably already been chosen by the bilderberg group. |
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Stephen
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| Carnt we have a poll on this ? I think he's foe. |
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kbo234
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| blackcat wrote: | | ....Hitler was a devout Catholic...... |
Catholic, perhaps.....so was Mussolini. He was educated by the same order of priests as I was...the Salesians (Mussolini was expelled from the Salesian school by the way)
.........but devout???
Surely not.
I am willing to be corrected on this but I'd like to see some kind of evidence before beginning to give the idea a moment's credence.
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malcks
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: G.G," Friend or Foe?" |
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| Its been a while,but i said it last year and i'll say it again "HE IS A KID ON" DONT BE FOOLED |
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suraci
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Galloway does stop people from talking truth sometimes, and is dismissive of 911 truthers for instance. But what we should remember is that he is not posting anonymously on the net, what we say he can't. He also has sponsors and money men to please, or else he's off the air about issues he seems to be genuine about.
I think he's a shameless self publicist but he is one of the few who will openly criticize Israel (Occupied Palestine) in the mainstream media, and just for that he has my eternal thanks. ron Paul comes in for the same criticism for not supporting 911 truth, but how far would he get if he gave credence to such a thing, the Zionists would have a field day and leave him looking like a wild eyed nutter.
We have more allies than might appear, but they are not all in a position to let it all hang out as we are. |
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outsider
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Forget Ron Paul - take a look at Kucinich (he's so good the Demoprats are trying to freeze him out, in conjunction with MSM).
Re George Galloway, I emailde him again on the 17th Jan. '08 to try to get him to take up the cudgels for 9/11 Truth:
George Galloway MP,
A member of the House of Councillors of the Japanese Diet made some very spirited speeches in the Diet re the impossibility of 9/11 attacks occurring as the US Administration and media have alleged. Japan lost some citizens in the attacks, but not the 67 (I believe that is the best estimate to date) that the UK lost.
I ask that you bring up similar questions in our House of Commons. I am not asking that you defend every position of the 9/11 Truth campaign, but I know you are unhappy with the Bushco lies which were happily regurgitated by Tony Bliar & Co as to what happened.
I also know you are not afraid to champion unpopular positions, the main one of course being the outright denunciation of our illegal invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq.
I am aware that though there is support for 9/11 Truth among MP's, no one has the guts to bring the issue up in the House.
You have previously ignored my letters on 9/11; I hope you will not only reply to this, but bring the issue up in the House.
In order to see the interventions in the Diet on video, and to get a transcript, I enclose a link to the relevant article on our 9/11 Truth wbsite Forum (I post on this Forum as 'outsider'):
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=106329#106329
I look forward to receiving your reply.
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marky 54
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| Quote: | Forget Ron Paul - take a look at Kucinich (he's so good the Demoprats are trying to freeze him out, in conjunction with MSM).
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Kucinich loses bid for Texas primary ballot
Candidate refuses to sign loyalty oath, says he'll try new appeal
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Friday allowed Texas to print presidential primary ballots without Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich's name.
The court refused to step into a dispute between Kucinich and the Texas Democratic Party over a loyalty oath all candidates must sign to make the ballot.
Kucinich and singer-supporter Willie Nelson objected to the party oath that a presidential candidate must "fully support" the party's eventual nominee. Kucinich crossed out the oath when he filed for a spot on the primary ballot.
more
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22735804/ |
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deep thinker
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Started this topic a while ago, think a poll is a good idea, have seen it on other topics but don't know how to add one. Can anyone help?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| You go into your original post and click edit and then add poll at the bottom. PM me with your poll question and options if you get stuck |
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