Shayler says he's the New Messiah

[SHERITON HOTEL]

Aren't ALL leaders/public people a bit unhinged? I've never understood professional politicos and how they think they can run the world when it's barely possible for the individual to run his/her own life in my experience.

[ian neal]

Hi B

[The Watcher]

B wrote:

[The Watcher]

Ian Neal quoted:

[Thermate911]

Does it really matter where any of this goes?

The events of 9/11 are pivotal to the world's perception of what it means to be human: What it means to be an individual: What it means to uphold truth and justice in the face of devious and ever increasing attacks against it?

Spread the message far and wide, especially into dark backwaters like the screwloose crew's home den. If nothing else, it keeps them occupied dreaming up new distortions. :)

No hiding the facts

No hiding human frailties

No hiding human strengths

No hiding the Truth.

If nothing else, remember the lesson Niemuller learnt too late.
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[B]

I mentioned the possibility of being sectioned because Stelios suggested he should check in for treatment.

However, as is common in psychosis, the sufferer himself has no apperception that there’s the slightest thing wrong with him so that suggestion is a non-starter;

Then, if the psychosis gets worse, as it may well do, especially if he gets into confrontational situations (not all audiences will be as gentle and tolerant as the Glastonbury audience, the press and media could latch onto this big-time, etc.) he could lose his rag and lash out at someone and it would only take one such incident to get him sectioned.

That’s why I’m strongly suggesting a quiet regime at the moment and that’s not just down to his immediate carers, it’s down to all of us to help steer him away from platforms and TV, at least till he recovers some kind of balance.

A propos it was entirely wrong to book him for Iranian TV this evening, only 3 days after Glastonbury, or not to cancel the booking, especially as the party that most likely brokered this appearance knew full well what state Dave is in right now. When Dave turns up here this afternoon pre the talk (to pick up a suit) I shall do my best to persuade him not to go through with it.

[Skeptic]

I can't open the page but this is now on the channel4 forums

community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/6150025088

[Thermate911]

B

[Newspeak International]

Personally I'd like to hear this myself before commenting on this.

Is there any audio available anywhere for this event?

[kbo234]

[ian neal]

Belinda or Annie would be able to pass any message on to David or I will give you his email address by PM

[rodin]

Lets get on without Shayler. One personality does not a resistance movement make.

[B]

Dave has come by and has now gone off to his Iranian talk, the source of that booking has been traced to a journalist friend of Annie’s and it’s not a mainstream channel one gathers so perhaps it’s OK. Also he says he’ll do the usual, mostly 9/11 & GWOT stuff so again sighs of relief!

Actually we were pleasantly surprised by his current demeanour; he regaled us with the complete and unexpurgated story of his recent revelations which are indeed extraordinary! However he didn’t come across as psychotic, certainly not in a clinical sense, if anything I’d say he’s a lot saner and more ‘together’ than when I last saw him (March/Indian YMCA talk).

Much of the credit for that goes to his companions in Bristol and Devon who have stood by him while he’s been going through what clearly is some kind of rapid process of awakening, the final outcome of which is yet to become apparent, for all the interim declarations about being the Messiah. The mind in its attempt to interpret and order a sudden inrush of new information, whether issuing from the depths of the individual subconscious and buried soul memory or from the wider cosmos/the great collective consciousness is constrained by having only conventional terrestrial metaphor and symbology on which to draw, which may need replacing as the journey of discovery and development progresses. The image of the first aviators in their clumsy little assemblages of wood and canvas taking off on the first leg of man’s eventual journey to the stars comes to mind.

That Dave through his pioneering courage has already made a huge personal contribution to human history is without dispute and he may yet have a further role to play in navigating the way out of the matrix – but hopefully he is coming to realise that he doesn’t have to go this part of the journey alone, he’s now part of a team.

The New Messiah is most likely plural!!!

[The Watcher]

David Shaylor is neither the first ... nor will he be the last

B wrote:

[David WJ Sherlock]

[outsider]

David WJ Sherlock says: ' You guys should not indorse his delusions by adding to it with this spiritual nonsense. All spiritualism is a delusional facet in peoples lives.'

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion. Many others, including myself, believe that the spiritual world is far more important than this short physical existence. Our bodies exist for perhaps four score years; our souls, or spirit, exist for eternity. I of course can no more prove this than you can prove your proposition. With luck, you will become enlightened!

If some folks are put off this site by some of the stuff, so be it. We need stouter hearts to continue the struggle. A true seeker of truth about 9/11 will not be put off. !A Luta Continua!

[David WJ Sherlock]

[xmasdale]

[paul wright]

[B]

[The Watcher]

B asked:

[kbo234]

[Mick Meaney]

[David WJ Sherlock]

[blackcat]

[alkmyst]

Working Toward a Transcendent Future

Ken Wilber says enlightenment is the number one priority because only "enlightened action" transforms and we need transformation more than mere translation. However joining a sangha, going to endless weekend retreats, yoga lessons and therapies seems like self-indulgent dilly-dallying while Rome burns.

Teilhard de Chardin said that transformation is the Triumph of Spirit. This Triumph of Spirit is not brought about through inflated Boomer world-saving projects or get rich quick schemes. The Triumph of Spirit is the empowerment of the body, mind, heart and soul toward action that reflects the Good, the True and the Beautiful...(or God).

Thus we can see that the way to bring about enlightened change is through focusing our thought, feeling, intention and action on those areas of our personal and collective lives that need to be brought into the light of Grace. And thereby facilitate this Triumph of Spirit.

If we succeed in this active cultivation of Spiritual Triumph, then we can ensure that our action is enlightened and will contribute toward an enlightened collective future.
Each of us has a specific role in the spiritual evolution of humanity that both reflects our identity code of where we came from and is informed via Spirit from the transcendent future.

Our "job" in this lifetime involves breaking out of the molds of external determinism (be they gender, race, age, class, geography, politics, economics and education) to discover what it is we are really here for.

The second imperative that arises on vision-questing our enlightened path is to find others that one can work with in some, or all aspects of our vocational-dream. Through collective efforts an autopoietic structure emerges that is designed by and for Spirit.

If the quest is beyond mere seeking for personal survival and spiritual enrichment, then it stands as a cosmically, integral and holy endeavor. In this way the Mystic Civilization is born from the dying structures of the old.

We can be sure that our results will mirror our means. Therefore to bring into manifestation a future that is based on love, humor and the Good, the True and the Beautiful, all stages of our path should reflect these qualities.

The thing with freedom is that the horizon keeps getting further away, and as one awakens one realizes how much further out of the prison there is to go. All we can do is work with where we are. To compassionately accept that, and to make changes that lead to greater facilitation, so we are not working against ourselves, stumbling, bumbling about, apologizing for existing, denying our soul.

Freedom, like enlightenment is infinite...sometimes all that is asked of us is to make ourselves a little more at home on this earth.

http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=WorkingTowardaTranscen dentFuture

David is now taking his first steps towards real freedom and as sure as day turns into night, the journey ahead will follow the classic alchemical path, ... a path that ain't pretty but it sure is memorable!

Alkmyst

[alkmyst]

Xmasdale wrote:

[Stephen]

We should all thank David Shayler for what he has given to the 9/11 Truth Movement, we might never of got as much media exposer without him.

Thank You David Shayler.

[ian neal]

Whilst I'm aware that the name change of this forum isn't to everyone's liking and is certainly an issue that can be revisited (sorry it can't be a priority at present), I think the redesign of the front page has helped to reinforce the separation that has always existed between what gets said here on a public forum that anyone can join and what gets said in the campaign's name.

Given that some here are concerned that what gets said on this thread or more widely on the forum reflects badly on the campaign it is probably worth restating the following.....

Natural tension between promoting freedom of expression and promoting a professional campaign

Ever since day one there has been a natural tension between those of us who wish to focus solely on 9/11 and the creation of a 'professional' campaign (even a political party was once suggested by one campaigner) and those of us who wish to link 9/11 to a whole range of wider issues the discussion of which will inevitably dilute any 'professional' message: a tension between some form of central 'control' and co-ordination and a more anarchic approach with little central co-ordination. In large part due to our limited capacity we have grown through the anarchic approach, however, in the past 20 odd months firstly under Ian Crane's wise chairmanship and currently under the co-chairmanship of Annie, Justin and me, a professional campaign has started to take shape.

As explained on the campaign site, the national campaign is responsible for very little: the content of its website and official statements, selecting a spokesperson to represent the campaign in the media should the opportunity arise and organising tours and events for 9/11 speakers (eg Willy's tours, DRG event last Sept) whilst not endorsing any one speaker. And that's it. The campaign is not responsible for what individual campaigners may say or what gets said here.

Not a difficult concept but one that many struggle to accept. Perhaps this is because traditionally politics is a lot about hierarchies and internal power struggles and this makes it difficult for some to imagine that another way is possible

Could and should the campaign be more professional?

Undoubtedly yes. But the plain fact is we are not professional. We are amateur volunteers. Most activism is planned and takes place at the local level (as it should) and is voluntary. All national campaigning is voluntary and done on a complete shoe string. No one is paid, most of us have jobs and many of us have families to juggle as well. So whilst we can all wish that we had the time and money to run things more professionally the truth is we don't. Given the constraints we work under I say we have a lot to be proud of and optimistic about.

The reasons why we don't have a membership and don't endorse any one campaigner or presentation of the evidence.

There are good reasons why the campaign has supporters and not members. We welcome support from everyone regardless of their wider beliefs and regardless of faith, politics, gender, ethnicity and so forth. The only exception to this is we reject support from those who promote violence in any way or who promote hatred / racism. Any campaigner is free to speak their own truth in support of but not on behalf of the campaign and this includes David Icke and David Shayler. At the same time it is safe to say that the campaign committee will not be inviting either Mr Icke and Shayler to represent it any time soon

If we had a membership, as stellios suggests, I ask who would decide who is a member and on what criteria. Presumably under such a system, David S would have been welcome 9 months ago when he was giving a barnstorming 'on-message' talk prior to DRG's Conway Hall presentation but now he has gone 'off-message' he would be thrown out in disgrace (in much the same way the Green Party reacted to David Icke). Would membership be open to those who promote the most controversial theories? Would the campaign have an official position on climate change or peak oil and would those that reject this position be ejected? Would members be allowed to discuss other controversies such as chemtrails in public or would we whisper about such things in private. No. A membership system would solve nothing and create divisions and problems where there need not be any.

The reasons we don't endorse any one campaigner or any one presentation of the evidence are

it minimises the internal disputes and divisions that have arisen between campaigners and campaigning organisations in the US

it reduces the potential for tedious internal politics and battles of egos that plague so many organisations and campaigns

it promotes freedom of expression and encourages us all to speak our own truth whilst reducing the value of anyone seeking to impose this truth on others.

it promotes autonomy and independence amongst local groups

it promotes tolerance and diversity

Ultimately I see the war of terror as the end game of the age old struggle of humanity vs the forces of fascism and that 911 is key to a wider political and for me spiritual awakening. This is my wider agenda as I explain here and here, but I also know that many of us will have no truck with either religion or notions of spirituality and that is fine to.

Belinda's 'new age nonsense' is her truth. David's 'messiah nonsense' is his truth. Whilst some will inevitably see such talk as cranky, I hope no one is advocating that these opinions are censored. If someone's truth doesn't resonate with you, feel free to say so and then pay it no attention but don't feel the need to silence it.

As dh and thermate say the facts of 9/11 are on our side and next to the facts peoples' wider opinions are just that opinions and pale in significance

I don't suppose this will put an end to the tension between the wish for 'professionalism' and the wish for free speech, but I hope it explains the relationship between what David says or what another individual says here and what the campaign says.

In the words of Brian (PBUH)

[Thermate911]

B said: