French penetration of al Qaeda prior to 9/11

[Bushwacker]

Thanks to Westgate for posting this link http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17551.htm in the news section.

Annie has commented, "Dasquie has very good access. He was one of the writers who stood up the Gaddafi Plot, which Shayler blew the whistle on. For those of you who are too young to remember this(!), MI6 funded Islamic extremist terrorists in Libya, with close links to bin Laden, to assassinate Gaddafi in an illegal operation in 1996. Manisfestly this failed, but innocent people died."

Clearly the French Secret Service had very clear information that al Qaeda were planning the operations they eventually conducted on 9/11. Equally clearly that means that 9/11 was not an inside job.

[EmptyBee]

I think that rather depends on what you believe about the nature of 'al-Qaeda', and the extent of the penetration and subversion of radical Islamism by Western intelligence agencies and their allies, such as the Pakistani ISI.

[Bushwacker]

[pepik]

I think "penetration and subversion" wouldn't be the right way to describe the ISI's relationship with Al Queda. I think this is common with conspiracy theorists - if you can show a relationship, you can assume control. But intelligence agencies can have contacts with militant group/terrorists (many of which are fairly nebulous organisation) without even having relationships with them, let alone control.

[EmptyBee]

[EmptyBee]

[whoop45]

"Terrorist", "terror", and "terrorism", they are the defining buzz words for this present day, the Shibboleths of an obscene drive for empire by the United States of America. Any clear-sightedness as to the meaning of any or all of these three words has eroded away in America during this post "9--11" era.

If we study history what we've seen repeated over and again is the pattern shown by the Algerians, the Palestinians, and the Irish Catholics. When a group of people is faced with an imperialist occupier with a vastly superior and overpowering military, fighting back or blowback (the CIA term) by the oppressed group usually has to come in the form of asymmetric guerrilla tactics such as car bombings, suicide bombings,
and remotely triggered explosive devices - admittedly almost always against civilians.

During our entire lives there hasn't been over 700 to maybe 1500 people killed by genuine terrorism such as a planted bomb at a cafe going off during a lunch hour rush, or a school bus being bombed.

Bottom line, an individual isn't a terrorist until that individual has committed an act of terrorism. "Terror" and "terrorism" are meaningless racist xenophobic ethnocidal buzz words when they flow from the Zionist controlled, corporate controlled media which is an un-elected de facto 4th branch of government here in this country."Islamo-Fascists", "Islamic Fundamentalist"," Radical Islamist" or "Jehadists" have become silly right wing talking point xenophobic/racist code word designations implying non-Caucasian inferiority or even sub-human criminality. Small wonder so
many craven sheeple brainwashed lemming-like Americans equate 26.4% of this earth's population with "terrorist".

A commando raid on a military facility is not!!!!! terrorism .Valley Forge was not terrorism. Fort Sumter was not terrorism. The attack on the USS Cole was not terrorism. True, there have been stagey blood-and-thunder simulated/synthetic terror incidents such as Oklahoma City: 5-19-95, NY/DC: 9-11-01, Madrid: 3-11-04, London: 7-7-05,and Amman Jordan: 11-9-05 , all pulled off by western intelligence agencies and their tentacles ,and- with the exception of Oklahoma City - blamed on
Muslim patsies.

Way on the other hand, every 5 seconds somewhere someone starves to death amidst the immense wealth and resources that surround them and where there is plenty food, but are unable to afford it because of the almost immeasurable horrors of free market capitalism .By rights, we need a war on free market capitalism, not this nonsense xenophobic, racist so called "War on Terror".

The events of Sept.11, 2001 were catalysts that spurred up this parallel universe in which most Americans now live. "9--11" triggered the hysteria needed for Americans to get themselves flimflammed into accepting endless war against Muslims and Arabs, a "war" combating threats that don't exist!! "9--11" was but a phony as a $3.00 bill on the cheap dramatization. It was micro weaponry entomopter cluster/formations in
N.Y.The perps b****** the WABC feed ,the only feed we saw early on -mind you using PROMIS progeny software with CGI blue screen uploads of "cartoon" computer generated images of Boeing 767s in NY.It was a cruise missile- or no telling what - in DC.There were no Arabs. Nothing was hijacked, and nobody flew anything into any buildings."9--11" was America's Operation Canned Goods (Hitler)....Goggle that...Soon;
everyone will have abandoned the absurd 19 Arab hijacker fable.

The earliest calls to emergency dispatchers (and they've been released due to the freedom of information act) and the like reflect that the first witnesses were saying that it was a helicopter accident at the North Tower WTC.Early transcripts prove that only CNN Vice president Vice President Sean Murtagh mentioned anything about a plane that he-against all laws of optics and geometry -claims to have seen from his office three miles from the WTC.Early on, TV announcers said that it was an explosion from inside the South Tower, but were quickly overridden by TV fakery
PROMIS progeny computer generated CGI upload cartoon images that adulterated the WABC feed the feed which CNN and other networks picked up. You should be very suspicious as to how the WABC camera crew came to be using the new 03/30 military Webscam system cameras that morning. The so-called still photos were obviously screen shots .Multiple rendering errors were made producing all the
ungainly careless re-edits they showed us. Apply Occam's Razor to the fact that no hole larger than about 8x3 meters (far too small for a Boeing 767 for crying out loud) was created in the side of the South Tower that BushMob/FedGov are telling us was struck. A low contrast high brightness photo reveals that there were only three small holes.

http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/plate37.htm;
http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/plate38.htm.

And it goes on and on and on and on and on. I could go on for four hours expounding on how utterly harebrained the official myth is. Every aspect of the official story of "9--11" is pure balderdash physics defying malarkey not worthy of any sane person's consideration. Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt stemming from a conflict between what a person values or seeks
to protect, and new information or interpretation that may pose some threat to those cherished biases. Most of us started our lives in a parent/child master/subject paradigm. Later this master/subject hierarchy is replaced by perhaps employer/employee and country/citizen which all too often results in a desperate need to believe that no matter how corrupt and mendacious our politicians are, there is a limit to how low they could stoop, especially when it comes to their own people because of golden calf status afforded America.

So now we see the amazing anomaly displayed by the sheeple who defend the absurd 9/11 19 Arab hijacker myth. This state of mind is descried by behavioral psychologists as the assimilation accommodation model of information processing. What this means is that Anglo exceptionalism, racism, jingoism, intellectual laziness and xenophobia as well as the aforementioned Golden Calf paradigm set off this mindless discomfort zone shown by far too many Americans. Anything, no matter how barefaced that threatens this collective jingoistic blindness, is rejected. They simply can't assimilate the idea that the Golden Calf has always killed its own people when to have done so abetted the ambition of the rich and powerful. That tiny 8x3 hole in the
South Tower through which a Boeing 767 could not have possibly have passed, the still alive suicide martyred Arabs, the undisturbed light poles and cable spools at the Pentagon, not to mention the circumvention of the 1st law of motion, 2nd law of thermodynamics, thermal conductivity, tinsel strength gradient axioms etc. are accepted as having "taken the day off" on 9-11-2001. Those rendering mistakes during re-edits of the clumsy amateurish CGI cartoons that created the fake South Tower strike illusions are side stepped or not accommodated. Crystal-clear evidence
is cast aside by the "9--11" myth idolizing sheeple of the world because of this cognitive dissonance on-accommodation model.

The term "Al-Qaeda" had never been part of normal western vernacular except between 1972 and 1982 as a nickname of sorts for Zbigniew Brzezinski"s computer data base of available patsy Golden Crescent drug trade financed guerrilla trainees that assisted the Pakistani ISI and the utterly criminal CIA in covert destabilizations in Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Caucasus Chechnya. "Al-Qaeda" is a word resurrected from the past by (as some have suggested) Richard Clark, George Tenet,and Dick Cheney to be used as part of the "9--11" myth/fable/lie. There is no evidence that any organization named "Al-Qaeda" exists independent of Western
intelligence agencies.

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For crying out loud, there hasn't been a front line modern American jet hijacked since the 1970s, and for a reason.Anti hijack mechanisms have been in place since then .Although it's remotely possible in theory to hijack an Airbus A340, a DC9 or a Folker 100, maybe even a Boeing 737 or a Boeing 777. The Boeing 757, 767, 747, and 768 cannot!!!! be hijacked. Upon an attempted hijacking the big jet would be taken
over electronically from the ground and directed to a military facility. The Pentagon has its own air defense system .No aircraft can approach that infamous five sided building of death in Northern Virginia without an approved electronic footprint.Lacking a legitimate footprint, the airborne object will be zeroed in on and shot down with heat seeking missiles absent of human involvement.

We all need to understand the mechanism. The MI-6, Mossad, CIA double and triple agents create the patsy rings or cells. The patsies are kept in the dark as to the nature of the project/objective at hand. The CIA, MI-6, MI-5, et al agents will wiretap themselves in order to create false warnings and implicate the patsies. These western intelligence agencies make good and sure that the patsies fly around, get wiretapped, get video taped, email one another, use credit cards, these kinds of things, by which the scapegoats by proxy create phony paper trails, money trails etc. All this in time, seals the Patsies'" doom. Bogus torture induced confessions are matter-of-course. At what point in time do Americans in mass get it through their thick skulls that western intelligence agencies hardly ever actually gather any real intelligence? Their role is to create false warnings to serve empire.

More often than not, the false flag operation is pulled off under the cover of training exercises. Examples are: 9-11- 01 (National Reconnaissance Office Drill, Amalgam Virgo,Vigilant Guardian,Northern Guardian, Vigilant Warrior,Amalgam Warrier,Global Gardian,Crown Vigilance,Appollo Gardian, Tripod II - 15 in all); London:7-7-05 ( Topoff-3).The MI-,Mossad, MI-5, FBI, CIA et al agents will blow up something and kill innocent people. Patsies get the blame. That's what the patsies are for. Most Americans believe the lies, or are gatekeepers or even pseudo-left gatekeepers against the truths about the false flag ruses that are being played on us becoming omphali of public perusal.

Certainly one of the more astonishing quotes by a major US political figure in recent years is this one:

If the American people ever knew the whole story about Iran Contra, we Bushes would be chased down the streets and lynched.

~ George Herbert Walker Bush

What goes 500 fold when compared to Iran Contra is the absurd "9--11" myth. If the American people knew the whole story about "9--11" there would be 30,000,000 Americans gathered around the Mall in Washington, DC at this very moment they,demanding trials in the mold of Nuremburg 1945 of the guilty among BushMob/FedGov and the U.S. mainstream media. There will be no Republican party in 2008.Mark my word. The whole story about "9--11" will be known by then. Our duty is to lay the ground work for exposing the phoniness of that preposterous 19 Arab
hijacker physics and thermodynamics defying nonsense myth and avoid in any way acting as gatekeepers protecting what is an obvious set of lies.

The "9--11" truth movement is just that- a movement. Critical mass will be reached in this movement's development as soon as an ample number of Americans reject notions such as a 757 passing through cable spools without even as much as knocking them over, or that an 8:42 AM weekday trans- continental flight would only have 44 passengers, or that buildings crumble and fall in perfect controlled like implosions five hours after the fact because of a fire in a couple of areas (building#7). A full
length big screen theatre version of Loose Change will be hitting the theaters next summer. It's curtains for the absurd "9--11" myth. Soon, only a few flat earth wackos will still support the official version.

If Iraq had had nuclear weapons we wouldn't have attacked them .Six hundred fifty five thousand Iraqis now dead would still be alive. Myriads would not be displaced. Many of our young men that are now dead or wounded wouldn't be. We wouldn't be spending $2,000,000,000 a week killing innocent women and children and poisoning the soil, surface water, and water tables of Mesopotamia with depleted uranium salts. I wish to God Iran already had a nuclear arsenal. The U.S. only respects nations that do. And what's more, the U.S. imperialist, militarist, hegemonic beast
and its ally Japan with an endless military buildup, military exercises, weapons tests in the Far East, accompanied by constant threats and inhumane economic sanctions have forced North Korea to get more serious about its own fledgling nuclear weapons capabilities. I don't see how anyone can criticize the North Korean leadership for fostering their nation's nuclear capabilities. Nations are literally held hostage on this
earth with this out of control U.S.militarist imperialist jingoistically crazed
belligerent dystopian rogue superpower beast hypnotized by its own Manichean world vision and delusions of superiority and persisting in all this bereft of the slightest bent toward complying with any existing standards of behavior as far as being part of any global community .Political scientists apply here the term "American
Exceptionalism". Loose translation-the US thinks it has a license to kill and steal with impunity.

We are in Iraq for the same reason that we were in Hawaii, Cuba, the Philippines, Iran (1953), Chile, Guatemala, Panama (which we stole from Columbia), Nicaragua, Ecuador, et al.We are there to pirate and pillage the resources of Iraq on behalf of global capitalists, criminal banking oligarchs, and Trilateralism following a campaign of demonizing lies against Iraq's head of State- nothing new. We've also there to tap
into the kind of money laundering opportunities that only a war can present. A good $28 billion plus is missing so far. The US has done these kinds of things unchallenged since 1893.

Abu Musab al Zarqawi is fiction."Zarqawi" is a Pentagon psyop code name and nothing more. He never lived. He never died.

The country is governed for the richest, for the corporations, the bankers, the land speculators, and for the exploiters of labor.

~ Helen Keller, 1911

She couldn't see. She couldn't hear. But she knew what kind of country she was living in.

Oh, and by the way, Viva Chavez!!

[Bushwacker]

I hope you feel better now you have got that pile of garbage off your chest!

[Mark Gobell]

Thanks whoop45.

Enjoyed reading that.

Lots.

[rodin]

Good post Whoop.

Naudet's film could be faked. As fake as Bush claiming (twice) he saw the first plane hit...

Second tower strike though - surely cannot be faked? Too many eyes and cameras trained on the site by then.

Why fake one hit and not the other?

[Cruise4]

Bushwacker still hanging about then! Must be lonely.

[Bushwacker]

[rodin]

There is no Al Qaeda. The name was invented by CIA. There is however deep penetration of French politics by Jews. Sarkhozy being of course the most visible.

[Bushwacker]

[Mark Gobell]

Can anyone find any references to the terms "Al Qaeda" which, as we know, is Arabic for "the base" and has been translated as "the database", having been made by it's alleged members and / or it's alleged affiliates ?

[Bushwacker]

[Mark Gobell]

Yep got that one.

There's also the October 2000 "transcript" of an alleged interview given to the ahem alleged Al Jaz journo Taysir Alluni, where the bogey man is said to describe the origin of the term Al Q. But that was in relation to the Mujahadeen & Russia in Afghanistan in the 80's.

There was also the claim supposedly made by The Secret Organisation of al-Qaida in Europe, stop laughing, in relation to London 7/7.

Not strictly a self reference as such, but it was supposed to the be the name attributed to the website that claimed responsibility.

Any more ?

[Bushwacker]

A quick Google search finds:
Statement
Analysis of AQ statements
Nine Statements
List of statements

[Mark Gobell]

Cheers for the info Bushy, much appreciated.

Of the nine statements listed, OBL mentions Al Q in the 5th statement of December 2001, the 7th statement of February 2003 and the 8th statement of October 2004

Sulaiman Abu Ghaith mentions Al Q in the 3rd statement of October 2001

I have so far only found one statement, the alleged transcript of an OBL interview provided by the alleged Al Jaz "journo", Taysir Alluni, who was subsequently arrested in Spain for, wait for it, being a member of Al Q, that was allegedly made in October 2000, thus being before 9/11

So, would it be factual to declare that all statements, videos and transcripts that are reported as being attributed to OBL or his Lieutenants that contain a reference to the term "Al-Qaeda" have been made since the US indictment of OBL in November 1988 ?

Further, would it be factually correct to state that every single example of the apparently rare, self-referencing Al Q statements, with the one possible exception of the Taysir Alluni "transcript" has been made post 9/11 ?

[Bushwacker]

That's amazing isn't it? You would have thought that the very first thing a secret terrorist organisation set up to attack Western targets would do would be to issue press releases listing its aims and objectives and detailing its proposed methods and membership.

[Mark Gobell]

[Bushwacker]

Funnily enough, George Bush often fails to mention he is President of the USA, spookily similar, isn't it?

[Mark Gobell]

[Bushwacker]

[Mark Gobell]

Tad quick off the mark there Bushy I edited that one.

So is that debate over then ?