Victim contact

[Nemesis]

What contact have we had with any of the 77 victims?

What do they know?

[astro3]

The Silence of the Muslims is indeed a terrible thing. However the intimidated familes have made some comments. James S. and I have had some contact with them, and have not altogether given up getting some further reply, so I don't want to be too specific. I trekked all the way up to Leeds with him, when he reckoned he had an invitation to meet one of them, and we knocked on the door Sunday morning and got no reply. Now, that is an awful long way to go and get no reply.
Broadly speaking the families used to believe the story they were told by the police but don't any longer (or that was what they told us before the Khan video was released) and the last they saw of their sons was, I belive, Tuesday evening. The sons told them they were driving into london on Wednesday and would be back Thursday morning (July 7th). They were having a day in town. I repeat, back on Thursday morning.
On this interpretation, key evidence would remain in the computer-record of the car hire firm, as to when the car was hired for.
Believe I can state categorically that NO-ONE has heard any comment from the family of Khan as to whether or not they believe that video is genuine. Clearly, that is what we all need to hear. In the absence of such testimony, we perhaps should not reject the possibility that the police filmed Khan on the 6th July, and then someone applied a spot of voice-cloning technology.
One also gains the impression that the three lads from Leeds did not know the Aylesbury character at all. Maybe their cars were put together in Luton car-park, after something happened to them.
I believe no-one has heard any more from the lady from Aylesbury, who has by now had the child of 'Lindsay,' called Sherafiyah (such a beautiful name). Her courageous words of defiance, 'Prove it,' concerning her dead partner's alleged guilt, got onto the front page of The Sun, and not surprisingly she has been (according to the Bucks Herald) kept in a police 'safe house' since then. Why, how kind of them.

[John. M]

Ally, you are to be commended for attempts to contact the families and I feel sorry for that poor woman being kept in a "safe house".

The silence of the Muslims is a terrible thing except for the two brave exceptions that I have read about, the Imam from Birmingham and the lady you mentioned. In a way you are right, indeed, we don't seem to defend ourselves in the eyes of the general public.

However, I think it is worth mentioning that in our religion their is an ethos of not creating trials and tribulations in society especially through loose speech (as in media generally) and particularly through violence on innocent people and creatures. In our religion slandering others or making claims about anyone without sure knowledge is a "no-no". So you see it not as cut and dried as one might think and the Muslims (if they are practicing Muslims that is, and not "nominal", as many may be) would be very aware and afraid of the accountability with our Creator for such behaviour.

I am not trying to preach hear by the way, but to inform.

My personal experience with my own family (who are not Muslims) when trying to address what I think really happened in 911 (I was suspicious from day 1) and my opinion about the lack of clear evidence in 7/7 is as far as they are corncerned this: I am only questioning 9/11 and 7/7 because I can't bear to think that "The Muslims Did It". Even though I deny to my family that is the case and try to get them to rationalise and think through the events calmly as I have done. They just can't seem to address it. They just don't seem to want to face up to it. It got so very heated when I discussed it with them that I have found it best just to leave it alone until they come to the realisation themselves, God willing.

So you can imagine then how the Muslims of this land might feel and some of the reasons why they don't speak up. Maybe the feel beleagered, and why not indeed. Maybe they are afraid to speak out at all (almost orwellian I suggest) in case they get arrested and thrown into prison for God alone knows how long AND WITHOUT ANY REAL CHARGE AGAINST THEM.

When every explosion or so called "suicide bombing" is reported in Iraq or any other country for that matter it is 99.9 % likely to be blamed upon "Islamists", "Insurgents", "Rebels", when in reality our religion is NOT LIKE THAT (as Salah Uddin said so well to the crusaders in the movie "Kingdom of Heaven").

Anyway on the brighter side, if that is possible these days, things have a way of going around full circle, don't they, as history shows us, "the chickens (generally) come home to roost".

I am greatly reminded of that expression by the recent eyeopener in Iraq where two SAS men were arrested after as some report indicate, they were caught dressed as Arabs, and carrying explosives. Such events, are indeed eyeopeners and bit by bit, should inform the great public out there that things all along were NOT QUITE AS THEY have been led to believe by the media, provided of course that they are paying attention.

But I am not holding my breath on that one!

I guess it's going to be a slow and gradual process before the Muslims break their silence and join in to defend themselves intelectually and find justice for what they have been accused of.

I think they will have to and so will all people if we are ever going to have the peace on earth that all of us long for.

Remember! All, the lies, spin and hype of our Orwellian era media doesn't exclude Muslims from it's magice spell, or indeed anyone else for that matter...

FROM THE REAL POSSIBLITY OF BEING "SHEEPLE".

Best wishes,

John. M

[frydays]

Two Cypriots wounded in London blasts

by Kyriakos Tsioupras

London, Jul 8 (CNA) -- Two Greek Cypriots are among the wounded from yesterday's terrorist attacks in London, which killed 35 and injured 700, a hundred of which are critical, according to the latest official figures.

Fifty-two-year-old Philippos Patsalos, a university professor and researcher at the National Institute of Neurology, and 19-year-old Daniel Kolia, are both in intensive care units at the Royal London hospital.

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There has been no information given about these two people and I only know about Philippos Patsalos injuries because of local gossip.

I am a Greek Cypriot and Philippos Patalos was from a village near to where my parents live and sadly Philippos Patalos lost both of his legs in the London bombings.

Trying to find out on search engines what injures Daniel Kolia sustained is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

I typed Philippos Patsalos into google today and this board came up.
http://crossofstgeorge.net/forum/login.php?redirect=viewtopic.php&p=0& start=0

It was me who put this information on the crossofstgeorge and before I could read what I had written I had to give my name and password only to discover what I wrote had been deleted.