Challenge: Truthers, debate us in PalTalk

[JimB]

Calling all Truthers ...

Tear yourselves away from your conspiracy forums and YouTube video collections and come and debate us shills in PalTalk. Find us in Social Issues and Politics > Human Rights > 911 Conspiracy Nuts Have No Proof. Adult content (top right of screen) should be OFF. Please keep your language clean, it's a G-rated room. My nic is JimB_JREF. I have no control over the admins' actions so don't complain to me if they bounce you!

See you soon.

[Mark Gobell]

LOL.

911 Conspiracy Nuts Have No Proof

How about

The 9/11 Commission Report has no proof ?

And you debate us ?

[Louise]

If you EVER for one second think that the goverment cares about you and always tells the truth JimB then i have to seriously question who has sanity on this thread.

Mind you the goverment loves people who do think that they care about them and they always tell the truth, those sort of people are so easy to fool and manipulate.

Please JimB Reserch into history (you have done some independant reserch into this event and others haven't you, i mean you are not just blindly beleving the goverment and mainstream media are you), and learn how the goverment uses lies and leaves false misleading trails of evidence to get away with carrying out diabolical acts against not only against its own people but against people in other countrys as well, and falsely point the finger at people who are completely innocent.

In case you didn't know this is called MISDIRECTION.

Or have you and your friends just set up because you get some sort of weird pleasure out of conflict with others, you know the thrill of the argument type thing.

May i remind you that we are taling about the deaths of 3000 innocent people in the towers alone when they came down, ANYONE who makes a joke out of the pain and suffering that happened on that day needs serious help.

Or indeed are you being paid by someone to do this?, perhaps this is part of the US goverments agenda to quash all 9/11 truth movements and thus the truth from coming out by paying organised groups of people to do exactly what you and your friends are doing.

Criminals will do ANYTHING in their power (and belive me the US goverment has a lot of that) to get away with commiting despicable crimes such as 9/11.

Please don't be fooled JimB.

[Louise]

All Money that was made directly or indirectly from the 9/11 incident is BLOOD MONEY.

The blood of 3000 innocent people and their lives are tied up in that money.

And then we have to count in the lives of the people who have died since then.

Still some people will still choose money over princibles, even if it is blood money.

It's sick, really sick.

[pepik]

[John White]

[pepik]

Obviously they lied when they said they had no way of knowing that anything like 9/11 was coming. There was signs and clues.

There, you're wrong. Now I'll have a long laugh at your expense.

[John White]

[pepik]

Oh I get it John, so in a way you're sort of right anyway! Well go ahead and have a laugh about that then.

The air at ground zero wasn't very healthy. The FAA and NORAD said a lot of 'cover your ass' lies to the 911 commission. Ties between Iraq and 9/11 were hinted at and alluded to but ultimately baseless. Governments lie John. That's because governments are made up on people, and people lie. Doesn't help you much with your 9/11 conspiracy though.

So when are you headed to PalTalk to show your 911 truth expertise?

[John White]

[pepik]

You know there's a cliche lawyer approach to things. Take the witness. Ask them if they have ever lied about anything to anyone, ever. Then ask if they have ever taken any drug, ever, even including caffeine. Then ask if they have ever hit anyone, ever, in their entire lives. Most people would have to answer yes to all three. The lawyer then brands the witness a violent, admitted liar and drug user.

Its a sorry excuse for reasoning, yet used with enthusiasm by the truth movement.

[John White]

[Mark Gobell]

[Louise]

I'm in full agreement with John White on this thread.

Pepik you have been totally lied to and decived by the US goverment.

Why you want to belive them i have no idea.

Maybe the idea of them carrying out this horrrible act is to painfull for you to take and one way not to feel that pain is to deny it was a conspiracy.

But that won't bring the true culprits of 9/11 to justice.

As you may or may not know i feel that no punishment is bad enough for them, but i want them to suffer a lot.

It is fortunate that there are people (like the people on this forum) who can face the cold, hard, horiffic truth of such events.

Pepik join us and help us put these scumbags were they belong, which is certainly not in control of the USA.

Do it before they take more innocent lives in the name of both the "war on terror" and "American global domination".

I'm sure you don't want to see more innocent men, women and children slaughterd do you?.

I would also like to thank John White for his support, thank you.

[Louise]

Pepik also said:

"Governments lie John. That's because governments are made up on people, and people lie."

Only dirty, rotten evil scumbags like the bush administration and people like them in goverment would lie.

Honest decent people in a goverment would SERVE the people and not DOMINATE the people like any goverment should do, and they woudn't lie.

Before ANY major goverment decision is made a decent, honest goverment would ask the people what they thought about it first and abided by what the majority of the people want.

People in goverment are not our leaders they are our representatives, we elect them to represent us the people to put in place what us the people want put in place.

In fact i have recently been talking by Email to Nick Pope about UFO's.

Nick Pope was head of the British goverments UFO project.

And i said to him that the Offical Secrets Act seriously needs to be reviewed becuse it forces people to lie and produce disinformation to people, this is wrong.

So if decent people were in goverment....... no i don't think they would lie, they would give the power back to the people whitch is where it belongs.

[Bushwacker]

Some people in the US government lie, that does not mean everybody in the US government lies about everything, some truthers lie, that does not mean all truthers lie about everything. Above all, the more people have to collude together to lie about an issue, the less likely it is that they can be successful. To lie about 9/11 and cover up that lie would require such a very large number of people to collude together that it can be eliminated as a practical possibility.

Also, being a dirty rotten evil scumbag does not mean that you cannot be attacked by another dirty rotten evil scumbag, as Stalin found out when attacked by Hitler.

[John White]

[John White]

[John White]

[JimB]

[John White]

I tell you what jim B, being as your over there are were all over here, why don't you post a link to critics corner and invite whatever readers there are over there to come and read through the vast number of threads here and make their own minds up?

Surely you can't be concerned they will read info here you'd rather they didn't?

[JimB]

[Bushwacker]

[Louise]

I have to say that i had to look at the evidence first before i came to the decision that 9/11 was an inside job.

There is so much evidence and suspicious activity by the goverment and organisations of the goverment that all point to that being the case.

And when ANYONE is gagged or threatend to shut up or else, that should immediately start alarm bells ringing in anybodys head that something is not right here, in fact something stinks rotten.

Take Marilyn Monroe for example There is a question as to if she took her own life or she was murderd.

Apparently people investigating into her murder have been threatend and told to stop their investigation.

This tells me instantly how she died, the only questions that remain are why? and by whom?.

People who have previously stated before that 9/11 was an inside job have suddenly changed their minds a few days or a week later.

Why the sudden change in opinion?.

Could it be that they have been paid a little discreet visit perhaps by people in suits and told that if they don't change their minds certain members of their family won't see their next birthday?.

The reason i said "Or indeed are you being paid by someone to do this?", is because if you are an element of the US goverment trying to cover up the truth, and you know that truth organisations are springing up all over the world, the logical way to counter this and supress the truth is to organise groups of people to attack the various truth movements.

Just put yourself in the shoes of the criminal for a moment and think how you would go about supressing the truth and countering various different truth movements, remember the last thing criminals want is to be found out and exposed.

And also remember the US goverment are proven liers, in fact they can't stop lying it seems.

Remember how they lied about not having any cockpit camera footage of that freindly fire incident it Iraq where british troops got killed then the tape was leaked?.

This and other lies that they have told should show you that they can't be trusted at all with anything, and that 9/11 was an inside job.

It seems that it is the people that you trust the most you should distrust, because they can use that trust against you to manipulate you.

The police are the same, just because they put that uniform on, you trust them.

But there have been many instances of police corruption and the police lying and manipulating evidence.

[John White]

[Louise]

Remember 1000's of people were involved in the Manhattan project.

The project to build the Atomic bomb that they dropped on Hiroshima in 1945.

That was kept secret very effectively from the people.

Bushwacker wrote: "but a huge amount of genuine evidence would have to be concealed".

Or destroyed Bushwacker.

Why were tapes confiscated by the FBI minuets after the pentagon incident and people warned to shut up, if nothing funney is going on lets hear those people talk.

What was in that big box that was coverd by a blue cover that they took away from the pentagon?, did we hear anymore about that?.

Why would someone from the FAA get a tape of the recordings of the communication from the flights, smash it into lots of little bits, seperate those bits into three seprate piles and dump each of the piles into three seprate bins, is that normal behaviour for throwing rubbish away?.

Do planes that smash into buildings just COMPLETELY vapourise?, the answer is no because look at the planes that smashed into the twin towers wreckage was found of those planes, so why wasn't any found at the pentagon?.

Also some time ago i saw another plane crash, it was a plane that crashed on landing, it broke apart into 3 sections, it then caught fire and burned in it's own fuel for about 3 or more hours.

The interior of the plane was completely destroyed but the wrecked burnt out body of the plane remained.

Fortunately i think all the people escaped that plane with their lives .

By the way i would like to ask, were those put options ever claimed by anyone, the ones that were placed on the airlines before 9/11 happend?.

Perhaps the people who placed those put options were waiting for the dust to settle before claiming them, or is there a set time you have to claim them in?.

[Louise]

I went to the following website:

http://chat.paltalk.com/g2/group/909624240/ViewAllMembers.wmt?page=13

But i didn't see Bushwacker or JimB there in the member list at all.

Another thing i'd like to point out is that i don't think everything is a conspiracy but due to the evidence 9/11 was an inside job.

Belive me there are some wicked evil people in this world, and they would carry out such a horrible act as 9/11 then cover it up.

My patner was watching a programme called "The world at war" the other day, and it was all about how the German SS treated the dews.

After a little while i felt so sick at what i was hearing i had to ask my partner to turn the TV off.

How could they do that to them?, even to little children as well.

It definately seems that the worst sort of people always get the best positions because they are prepared to lie, cheat and deceive other people in order to get there.

[marky 54]

watch the end of this video, which claims 503 first responder eyewitnesses were ignored by the comission report, 503 is a very large number that cannot be put down to error or mistakes, somebody was giving orders for them to be ignored, so if zelicow was not in charge who was?. i think you'll find zelicow was overseeing and making the decsions on what information was included.

watch it all if you want to understand why CD should be one of the suspects and why its not crazy to think so, if anything its crazy not to include it, i agree with it and it is and has been my stance for a while, easier to link to someone explaining than type an essay.

video link 10 minutes long(about the same time it would take to read it).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwQa5eokieY

503 first responders ignored and left to die from breathing the air that day, all left out to rot, because they know the truth! and the state does not want them telling their storys! and that is the truth! there is no other reason to ignore them and leave them to rot unless there is something they know the goverment dos'nt want you to hear.

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=53815767687186956

[Louise]

Its sick marky 54.

Its really sick.

All those heros who helped to save lives on that terrible day and this is how they are being treated.

They should all have a day each year were they are honoured.

And you'd think the US goverment would (or should) bend over backwards to help those heros and give them the best treatment possible, no expense spared.

Also all those people who are suffering from gulf war syndrome as well.

If how those heros of 9/11 are being treated dosen't convince doubters that the US goverment dosen't give a **** about its people, nothing will.

You know i said to myself a long time ago when the first gulf war happened that it seems like america (or the american goverment) wants to rule the world or be the boss of the world, and i don't think i'm far off the truth to be honest.

I think that the UK only benefit for being americas allie is that we will be attacked last because you can be assured of this, there is not room enough at the top for both the UK AND the US to be top dog and supreme ruler of the world.

[Louise]

What i can't understand is this:

The US goverment or elements of the US goverment are Heavy suspects in this crime.

Very Heavy suspects.

WHY SHOULD ANYONE WANT TO DEFEND SUCH SUSPECTS JUST BECAUSE OF THE POSITION THAT THEY HOLD?.

We are talking of mass murder here, not some sort of petty crime but MASS MURDER.

Surely the only time anyone should defend such heavy suspects is when they have been INTERROGATED INDIVIDUALLY by a group of people who are well trained at extracting information out of people, using all methords and techniques avalible eg lie detectors, truth drug etc.

And the goverment have been completely 100% eliminated from ANY involvement in 9/11.

Also people to be interrogated should not be warned about what they are about to go through as this gives them time to prepare for it, catching them cold is the best way.

This may all sound very harsh, but do we want to get to the truth of 9/11 or don't we?.