David Shayler - Manchurian Candidate?

[davegould]

I'm probably the only one who finds this funny.

Anyway, good luck to Dave in his search and let's hope we can all learn something from this.

[pdx911action]

[Tamborine man]

[Tamborine man]

following is the speech to the clercy:


I speak unto you who are called the servants of the Most High or servants of the Church, to whichever nation, to whichever faith you may belong and whatever office, high or lowly, you may hold within your holy community. I speak unto you all, by whichever name you know your deity, and whether you submit to one god or to many gods. Hear me! For my words concern you all.
Would you be servants of the Most High, then must you strive to keep His commandments, strive to abide by His laws. Then must you teach all who join with you and heed your preachings that God is One, that there are not two, nor three, nor many gods. Then shall you teach that God the Almighty is the Creator and Father of the immortal spirits of human beings, but that He did not create their mortal bodies.
Yea, truly I say unto you: would you be the servants of God, then must you all serve Him in spirit and in truth; then shall you speak gentle, loving and simple words to all who in doubt, despair and remorse turn to you for help and guidance; then shall you with tireless constancy comfort and strengthen the weak, the despondent and the faltering; never shall you speak hard, condemning words to the living, and even less shall you speak ill of the dead; never, so as to assert your authority and your power, shall you threaten with eternal damnation, nor menace with the punishments and torments of Hell.
Never must you teach that the human spirit after life upon the Earth will live again in the bodies of beasts, nor that the spiritual self after many burdensome but gainful journeyings will be engulfed by the great nothingness - will sink into a state of eternal impassivity.
Neither shall you teach that self-torments and penances are pleasing unto God. And never must you perform blood sacrifice* to the honour of the Most High; no human being*, no beast of the field nor bird of the air shall you sacrifice; for all such deeds are the dreadful inventions of Darkness.
Be helpful and compassionate toward all who are poor or sick or wretched; let your churches, temples and meeting houses be open unto all, that every grieving and every suffering person may at all times, on days of work or on days of rest, kneel before the altar to seek strength and comfort in fervent prayer unto their God and Father; and that all who so desire may walk in peace and tranquillity within the places of beauty that are hallowed and consecrated unto our Father.
And when on days of rest or holy celebration you are gathered with your congregation, then must you teach them to submit unto the guiding hand of our Father with the trust, hope and love of a child, then must you teach them that songs of praise and thanksgiving shall stem from the deepest depths of their hearts. Then shall you teach them that all outward and empty forms of worship are of no avail, that all sacraments are needless.

Further, I say unto you all: would you be God's servants, then shall you not unceasingly quarrel and dispute with one another over the ancient words and doctrines of faith that are received from the many writings of your forefathers. Then shall you not constantly maintain that your own church and your own faith is the only true one and the only way unto salvation. And never must you by the sword or by decree compel others to accept your faith and your opinion.
Seek rather that all shall meet in common yearning for the pure, the exalted and the divine. Yea, seek you all to meet in your common yearning for the love of a Father and the righteousness of a God.

What I have said unto you with these words I ask you all carefully to consider; seek counsel of God and of your conscience, and never act against your inner conviction! When you have then understood that my words are true, then be of help to me in guiding your brothers and sisters unto the common goal: our Father's Kingdom of Glory.


*)When human beings make God their highest war-lord, every loss of
life in battle becomes a blood sacrifice to His honour; and when the
clercy consecrate soldiers prior to combat they become participants in,
and accessories to, the human sacrifice of war.

____________


Bearing in mind the ominous and dreadful signs we all detect and sense
are at play, and certainly does not look good for the future, I thought it
well worth while to print these speeches so everyone could see that
there's no real need to loose hope....yet!
Circulate these speeches in your congregations, and they will surely bear
fruit.

I thank you very much for allowing the speeches to stand. Other forums
would have deleted them!

Gratefully yours
Tamborine man

[John White]

[davegould]

I don't censor any of my sites. Feel free to post on Talk Bristol.

If you're talking about the central NO2ID forum, yes we restrict discussion purely to ID cards and the database state. Given that interrogations are starting next month, it's part of managing our focus and credibility. I couldn't change that principle if I wanted to.

I'm not sure you why you posted that question here (as opposed to PMing me etc). Are public attacks on guests encouraged here?

[John White]

[ian neal]

[The Watcher]

[The Watcher]

Here's the challenge Mr. Shayler, go three months (in a controlled environment) without smoking a single toke or imbibing any other psycho-active substance ... and then tell us that you're still the Messiah.

If you took a blood test right now, the lab would probably have some difficulty locating traces of blood in your cannabis stream.


The Watcher

[PaulStott]

What's hilarious about the Shayler Daily Mail piece is how he seems to have reverted to the same line Annie Machon did in her Mail on Sunday article.

Both trot out a line about MI5 being inefficient, not being good at their job etc.

No claims of false flag terrorism now - from either of these spooks!

[John White]

[blackbear]

No need to be nervous:

The city fathers they're trying to endorse
The reincarnation of Paul Revere's horse
But the town has no need to be nervous - Bob Dylan

In 1924, Christian occultist Dion Fortune purchased some property at the foot of Glastonbury Tor - arguably Weird Britain's weirdest place - and named it Chalice Orchard. This became the first meeting place for what became her occult fraternity The Society of the Inner Light, the basic workbook of which remains Fortune's 1936 text, The Mystical Qabalah.

A couple of weeks ago, and almost naturally at Glastonbury, MI5's 9/11 Truther David Shayler publicly declared that he was the Messiah, as well as the reincarnation of King Arthur and Leonardo da Vinci. Though unlike Jesus, who left it at the question "Who do men say that I am," Shayler couldn't repeat himself fast enough on British television. ("Do I sound mentally ill?") Television, of course, happily obliged...................

http://rigint.blogspot.com/2007/08/no-need-to-be-nervous.html

Damaged, persecuted and harassed, perhaps - a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, even - but also a willing victim who has nursed his martyr complex until it metastasized into a psychic fugue: not the Higher Consciousness of We Are All One, but the hyper-inflated ego of I Am The One. To "the intelligence services that once sought to gag him," he hasn't proven much of a nuisance after all.

Perhaps 9/11 Truthers who now feel victimized by Shayler ought to ask themselves how much of a nuisance they themselves have really been to the black lodge, and what part the "Truth" movement's own flaws played in calling forth such a catastrophically flawed spokesman..............


What is the going rate for parasitic media whores these days.......?
No time for 9/11 truth.........when $$$'s are doing the talking.

[PaulStott]

Annie's article appeared under her own name.

Is she denying the views on 7/7 expressed in the article?

[John White]

Are you?

[kbo234]

This from Xymphora's blogspot


David Shayler's cigars

David Shayler has managed to do what years of frantic activity by the British security establishment has never managed, completely undermine his credibility. Shayler is a British intelligence whistleblower with some embarrassing things to say. Now, he claims to be the Messiah. He hears voices, sees hallucinations, consumes pot and magic mushrooms. He’s trippin’.

British intelligence efforts to stifle him have failed, and they can’t just kill him, as that would just add to his credibility. Amongst the many CIA plots against Castro:


“Among early attempts devised by the CIA to discredit Mr Castro was a plan to place chemical powders on his boots that would cause his beard to fall out when he was in New York to speak at the United Nations in 1960.

When that failed, the CIA planned to slip him a box of cigars tainted with LSD so that he would burst into fits of laughter during a television interview, said Mr Escalante, author of a book that documents 167 plots against Castro.”


What better way to destroy Shayler’s credibility than to slip him some drugs, the kind of drugs that make you see hallucinations and think you are the Messiah? I think Shayler should get a new dealer.

[The Watcher]

kbo234 wrote:

[blackbear]

No need to be nervous:

The city fathers they're trying to endorse
The reincarnation of Paul Revere's horse
But the town has no need to be nervous - Bob Dylan

In 1924, Christian occultist Dion Fortune purchased some property at the foot of Glastonbury Tor - arguably Weird Britain's weirdest place - and named it Chalice Orchard. This became the first meeting place for what became her occult fraternity The Society of the Inner Light, the basic workbook of which remains Fortune's 1936 text, The Mystical Qabalah.

A couple of weeks ago, and almost naturally at Glastonbury, MI5's 9/11 Truther David Shayler publicly declared that he was the Messiah, as well as the reincarnation of King Arthur and Leonardo da Vinci. Though unlike Jesus, who left it at the question "Who do men say that I am," Shayler couldn't repeat himself fast enough on British television. ("Do I sound mentally ill?") Television, of course, happily obliged...................

http://rigint.blogspot.com/2007/08/no-need-to-be-nervous.html

Damaged, persecuted and harassed, perhaps - a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, even - but also a willing victim who has nursed his martyr complex until it metastasized into a psychic fugue: not the Higher Consciousness of We Are All One, but the hyper-inflated ego of I Am The One. To "the intelligence services that once sought to gag him," he hasn't proven much of a nuisance after all.

Perhaps 9/11 Truthers who now feel victimized by Shayler ought to ask themselves how much of a nuisance they themselves have really been to the black lodge, and what part the "Truth" movement's own flaws played in calling forth such a catastrophically flawed spokesman..............


What is the going rate for parasitic media whores these days.......?
No time for 9/11 truth.........when $$$'s are doing the talking.

[The Watcher]

Here's the challenge Mr. Shayler, go three months (in a controlled environment) without smoking a single toke or imbibing any other psycho-active substance ... and then tell us that you're still the Messiah.

If you took a blood test right now, the lab would probably have some difficulty locating traces of blood in your cannabis stream.


The Watcher

[TheSea]

In todays press we find the final proof of Shaylers helpful profile, one that has done so much to advance the credibility of the 911 truth movement. (Thats irony for the US contributors, especially those in the "team" that post from UK log in's...sorry your English gives you away). So many of us flagged up a need to to be wary of David's involvement.

[ian neal]

[ian neal]

David's involvement has consisted of giving a limited number of public speeches, giving press, radio and TV interviews in a personal capacity and collaborating on 2 videos.

All of this activism has been David speaking his own truth in a personal capacity. If others chose to work with him and support him, they likewise have been acting in a personal capacity. That's how it works in this country. David has never sought nor been invited to take on a more formal involvement in the British campaign. The campaign committee will put forward spokespeople to speak in its support if required to do so but it is safe to say that David will not be considered.

Given David's high profile and confidence in public speaking it is not all together surprising that David has had opportunities to speak to the press/media that are not open to others. So if you are observing this from afar I can understand why you may have got the impression that he somehow represented the campaign or movement in this country, but this would be false

If US campaigners some how got the impression that David's involvement was stronger that this, I can only suggest you familiarise yourself with the campaign website and constitution and / or speak with those who have worked with David who know the true nature of his 'involvement'.

[TonyGosling]

Yeah Right Dave
You Left Annie !
That Is Not A Very Spiritual Lie Now Is It ?
Great
You're Not The Messiah, You're A Very Naughty Boy
Go And Stand In The Corner
Now!
Until The Ibogaine Has Worn Off
And The Voices In Your Head Have Faded




There's a certain amount of wishful thinking and spin from you here Ian.

Because nobody else in the movement has had such a high public profile, because 'the committee' has been relatively inactive and David has been involved pretty much full time it doesn't much matter how official or unofficial he's been.

This should be a wake up call for us to appoint some official spokespeople and to follow up on the AGM resolution to get ourselves a press office which would have publicly ditanced the campaign from him arounf this time last year when he started to back the no plan theory.

Also I'll let this run here until later tonight then move it to the 'Manchurian Candidate' thread where it belongs - this ain't news.

The MI5 Messiah: Why David Shayler believes he's the son of God
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_artic le_id=475616&in_page_id=1770

Shayler's wishy-washy God act is self-deluded
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/shaylers-wishywashy-god-act -is-selfdeluded-1057455.html

[ian neal]

No disagreement from me here. 'The committee' both this year under the co-chairmanship of me, Annie and Justin and previously under Ian Crane's chairmanship would wish we could do more. I only wish I had more time to help make this happen, but with a full-on job, 4 school age kids and so on, it hasn't happened yet.

So no disagreement that as a camapign we should be doing better at putting out a professional message, but that doesn't change what I have said in terms of explaining David's involvement.

[andyb]

there are procedures in place should we be asked for an official spokesman. Unfortunately this hasn't occured yet, when it does the committee will act.

[TonyGosling]

Point being that with a press officer we will be proactive and be phoning round newsdesks putting our case on this and any other newsworthy story - new legislation, false flag attacks etc. etc.
As it goes Annie's piece was excellent (creep, creep) but it is a good reason to get moving so at least some people are trusted to get on and put this campaign's case on all newsworthy stories in the national and international press.

[andyb]

This is being done when the chances arrive. Look at all the press Willie got on his last tour and hopefully Cynthia will get next month.
We need reasons to issue press releases and get the coverage. Simply harrasing the press may be counter productive.
If anyone wants to help please feel free.

[TonyGosling]

"""Harrassing"""

Hello?

Either we're reactive or proactive - the latter is what the AGM resolution called for.

[John White]

Is this thread refering to the Jane Fryer peice?

[TonyGosling]

Errr,
Yes, and others today.
I have linked to it above.