Fri17Aug - Annie on BBC 5 Live 11.45

[B]

STOP PRESS: BBC 5 Live Friday 17th, 11.45 - 12.00 Annie talking to Steve Nolan about the latest goings-on.

[marndin]

Did anyone record this, and if so could someone put a link to it here please?

[PaulStott]

No, but I have a report here:

http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwatch/2007/08/has-the-messiah.html

[Rowan Berkeley]

Paul, aren't you being a wee bit disingenuous here? I mean, are not you and your esteemed associate Mr O'Hara frequently referred as having stated that "we know people in MI5"?

[Larry O'Hara]

[Sixy]

[TonyGosling]

Try uploading to www.radio4all.net
it's a lot simpler to download and similar minded people will get to downloa it too

[Sixy]

Thanks for that Tony ... all new to this uploading stuff!!

New link for the interview is now:

http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=24315

[Rowan Berkeley]

The ending is quite interesting, especially Nolan's voice-tone. Terminating the interview by saying "thank you, Annie" in a distinctly undelighted voice, he signals neatly that he doesnt want to be roped in as co-crusader against the Secret State.

[Larry O'Hara]

[karlos]

[PaulStott]

[TonyGosling]

Can you hear the squawks?



The 'Notes From Beelzebub' vultures are here.

Attracted by the corpse of Daves credibility.

And arguing with each other over the spoils.

Only awaiting the arrival of "Heidi Svenson"

Considering splitting this thread.

Non vultures - please feel free to post.

[Rowan Berkeley]

"Larry 'I see MI5 people' O'Hara" is a phrase used by our good and reliable friend Dogsmilk, on the old shayler messiah thread that got locked, here:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=83871#83871

I have checked the subsequent posts there and I notice that Ian Neal offers a carefully graduated agnosticism on this question.

[PaulStott]

Is that it Rowan, a quote from one of your mates?

That's a bit like asking Karl Rove for a quote about George Bush.

As for Mr Gosling's comments, has it never occured to you that had you taken a less gullible approach to messrs Shayler and Machon from day one, you might not have got yourself into the mess you currently have?

[ian neal]

Paul

I presume that you would see David's recent announcements about being the messiah as more 'evidence' that he is not genuine and still a spook.

This is where you and I have a fundamentally different approach. As far as I can tell you believe that because David once worked for MI5 gathering information on left/anarcho groups and said a few disparaging things about said groups, then it is impossible for him to be genuine in his beliefs today.

Whereas my approach is to presume that all supporters are genuine whilst knowing that some will not be. I might have suspicions about a very small number of people but that is different from having proof. The 'evidence' that NFB have published in NFB7 and subsequent musings are merely your grounds for yours suspicions and speculation. It most certainly is not proof.

Knowing the modus operadi of intelligence services is to plant people within popular / progressive political movements and to sow divisions and in-fighting by promoting a climate of suspicion and power struggles are the precise reasons why we are operate the way we do. Namely

No membership
No endorsement of any one spokesperson or presentation of the evidence
Encouragement of individual and local group autonomy and activism
A committee made up of representatives of these autonomous local groups
No party line
The role of the central committee and chairs kept to a minimum

So you see David Shayler never has been a spokesperson for this campaign or movement. He has merely been speaking his truth as he sees it. Many people do not share his views either on the details of 9/11 or his wider views on god/religion and if you care to search this forum you will find examples of people challenging David.

A similar parallel would be David Icke. He is a prominent critic of the official 9/11 myth. He holds controversial views, such as the reptilian agenda. Many people disagree with him on these views. And so what? Just because someone holds controversial, some would say wacky views does mean they do not genuinely believe these views or that they shouldn't be free to express them.

Or would you rather have a movement in which a politburo vets potential members for counter-revolutionary tendencies and only those applicants who are above suspicion are accepted? Would you propose a movement in which the politburo tells its members what to think and what to say? Now that would be a cult.

Oh by the way I thought you were going to make NFB7 available freely on-line so we can all judge the merits of your evidence. Also it would be nice to know what NFB / you, Heidi and Larry think about 9/11. What questions and doubts do you have? What books or films would you suggest to people to learn about these questions? Cultwatch says you are not a limited hang out and yet does anyone know what NFB actually thinks about 9/11. No rush guys. It's only 6 years give or take a week.

[Dogsmilk]

Paul -
So are you saying he's packed in denouncing the likes of Searchlight and AFA at every given opportunity? Are there any anti-fascist organisations he now doesn't regard as MI5 fronts?
Personally, I have a suspicion if David & Annie had never gone near the truth movement, all this wasting time and effort on futile endeavours like 911cultwatch would never have occurred. My own theory is that O'Hara is so obsessed with them because they have a degree of fame and some instant cred spawned from actually having worked for MI5. Within his usual highly entertaining piss-taking, Stewart Home sums it up well:

[truthseeker john]

[karlos]