Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 645 Location: UK Midlands
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject:
zoomer wrote:
he's not who he says he is. He's a shyster!
A detailed and well argued response from zoomer who's just been on google for 3 seconds as usual. That's right - black ops / Naval Intel arrive at your house and threaten your family, tell you to take down your websites beccause you are a "shyster".
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 179 Location: Manchester
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:00 am Post subject:
utopiated wrote:
zoomer wrote:
he's not who he says he is. He's a shyster!
A detailed and well argued response from zoomer who's just been on google for 3 seconds as usual. That's right - black ops / Naval Intel arrive at your house and threaten your family, tell you to take down your websites beccause you are a "shyster".
We're f*cked when the Neo-Cons try to immanentize the eschaton at this rate.
Ok smartarse. Where's YOUR great indepth evidence for this guys utterances? Be honest. You are just gullubly accepting whatever nonesense he is shpeelin at ya.........................right?
I mean for a kick off. LOOK at him! would YOU buy a car of that man
then read this, where it is suggested his real name is Ralph Amagran...:
I have just read the recent correspondence between Dr. Stephen Greer
and Michael Salla and I will add a few comments of my own regarding
Salla’s qualifications and ethics.
Last year, I was invited onto Salla’s forum to defend my comments,
published in UFO Magazine in 1998, regarding my experiences with Ralph
Amagran, who subsequently changed his name to “Alex Collier” and then
claimed to be a UFO contactee. Salla responded by saying that I was a
liar, that the experiences I had when I first met Ralph/Alex on a trip
to Sedona in 1986, never happened, despite there having been six other
people including my daughter on that trip with me on that trip. I was
also told by Salla that, contrary to what I truthfully described, I not
only hadn’t spent time with Ralph/Alex on various “UFO watches” in
Malibu but I had lied about him being the person who gave me 1800 pages
of Contact Notes by Billy Meier, a generous act which greatly
facilitated my subsequent investigation of the Meier case.
Salla’s absolutely outrageous claims that I was the one lying, and not
the delusional, plagiarizing fraud now known as Alex Collier, provoked
intensely angry responses from me, which in turn were deemed by Salla
to be “bad netiquette” and “flaming” and, in addition to earning me a
banning from his politically correct but truth deficient forum, Salla
publicly advised me that my “conduct” would result in not my being
invited to join UFO organizations (exopolitics) and my being excluded
from making presentations at conferences, i.e. the one that Salla is
involved with." http://www.gaiaguys.net/DP.SALLA06.htm (for rest of article, scoll down till you see big smilin pic of Michael Salla) _________________ keep asking questions!
Joined: 11 Aug 2007 Posts: 4 Location: North London
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject:
zoomer wrote:
This man is not who he says he is, and is a charlatan!
I'm not at all interested wasting my energy or time arguing with any of you about these matters.Personally I don't believe any of these theories/stories/hypotheses 100%. Naturally human has a tendancy of exagaretting and changing the real thing but that doesn't mean everythings not true. I listen to all and pick the credible parts, those seems logical to me and fit or help to connect the dots. It's like collecting the pieces of a huge puzzle. It's very much possible many pieces are not parts of the real puzzle, not even close, but It's impossible to detect them as 'they' are trying their best to hide the truth. But the more pieces I have and collect now, the more chances I have to take the right decision and to understand this big puzzle when the time comes - which I believe is coming quite soon.
Let's not be some self righteous pricks and blow other's view/opinion, especially in a forum like this where we all have a higher level of consciousness. _________________ There's no such thing as 'mistake', it's what you DO and what you DON'T.
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 179 Location: Manchester
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:43 am Post subject:
It is not being some 'self-righteous prick' to investigate fraudulent claims and then reveal the evidence of such. However much it may hurt.
I for example am not a stuck-in-the-mud so-called skeptic who calls anyone who wants to explore unexplaned happenings, or those who attempt to explain them 'woo woos', if they are exploring with integrity and not trying to deceive. I know exactly that type, and they ARE self-righteous pricks.
MY way, for myself, and trying to encourage others, is to be openminded, but also wary of the people who will opportunistically take advantage if your not careful _________________ keep asking questions!
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 645 Location: UK Midlands
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject:
zoomer wrote:
Ok smartarse. Where's YOUR great indepth evidence for this guys utterances? Be honest. You are just gullubly accepting whatever nonesense he is shpeelin at ya.........................right?
I mean for a kick off. LOOK at him! would YOU buy a car of that man
That sole article/link you found on your slightly increased visit to google [12 seconds?] is not one I need to visit. It's from the 99% intolerant Dyson Devine from Gaiaguys who follows Michael Horn's line that Billy Meier is the ONLY contactee on the planet - that's the only link to Collier.
I've read the whole exchange between Salla and him before - it's just laughable - Michael Salla is patient beyond belief as the other guy claims he is a Mason, disrupts the exopolitics forum and other such rubbish.
The point is zoomer you write two lines on something, make your mind up and throw out some inane comment - this is part of this internet trend in recent years where the kids seem to think they know it all because they have a digital database at their fingertips.
Plus you *totally* avoided the main point I was making - if he is speaking lies - why did he get shut down the way he did? [that's not a request for a response].
zoomer wrote:
It is not being some 'self-righteous prick' to investigate fraudulent claims and then reveal the evidence of such. However much it may hurt.
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 179 Location: Manchester
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject:
utopiated wrote:
zoomer wrote:
Ok smartarse. Where's YOUR great indepth evidence for this guys utterances? Be honest. You are just gullubly accepting whatever nonesense he is shpeelin at ya.........................right?
I mean for a kick off. LOOK at him! would YOU buy a car of that man
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That sole article/link you found on your slightly increased visit to google [12 seconds?] is not one I need to visit. It's from the 99% intolerant Dyson Devine from Gaiaguys who follows Michael Horn's line that Billy Meier is the ONLY contactee on the planet - that's the only link to Collier.
And you dont use Google I take it? You use very old tomes in your library.....right? why do you question my judgement? Do you think i'm some kid whose never read a book...already? get off off your high horse. You who believe wild unproven statements from some dude using an alias
I've read the whole exchange between Salla and him before - it's just laughable - Michael Salla is patient beyond belief as the other guy claims he is a Mason, disrupts the exopolitics forum and other such rubbish.
Your just a Salla fan. What you mean 'disrupts'. You mean he challenges Salla? And then Salla ejects? I am familiar with that attitude. Its hardly debate is it? That guy is making staments about who that guy is and his experience. Why--in YOUR book--is HE lying --about quite mundane affiar, and the one you are believing with his wild * you believe? seems odd that!
The point is zoomer you write two lines on something, make your mind up and throw out some inane comment - this is part of this internet trend in recent years where the kids seem to think they know it all because they have a digital database at their fingertips.
haha i am older than you fellah. your MY kid! You are assuming. Like you assume about this shyster you believe.
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Plus you *totally* avoided the main point I was making - if he is speaking lies - why did he get shut down the way he did? [that's not a request for a response].
I dont avoid, as you'll find out. I asked you to show me the evidence for what he says happened is what i said....
zoomer wrote:
It is not being some 'self-righteous prick' to investigate fraudulent claims and then reveal the evidence of such. However much it may hurt.
You didn't investigate anything. You found one link and pasted some of it. Don't change your middle name to "Sherlock" just yet
well at LEAST i HAVE pasted some kinda evidence. All you do is ask us to believe that man, who is called something else about crazy claims where he provides no proof whatsoever. Its for you to show this proof wiseguy. you bein so well read an all. present it here, and give us all a lesson in how to research propa _________________ keep asking questions!
I just thought that i post the fact that i got my model ET spacecraft deliverd today.
I bought it from Ebay.
Its the "sports model" Spacecraft that Bob lazar said that he back engineered at S4 near Area 51.
I've always wanted a model of an ET spacecraft so i'm very happy to get this model and i shall enjoy building it .
Its called a "Anti-matter reaction, gravity amplification, interstellar craft". _________________ One sure way for evil to prevail, is for the good to do nothing.
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: August 2007, Galactic Conciousness.
Hi some of you may have seen this already, this is the latest UFO footage to be taken in and outside of our solar system, there have already been many raised questions regarding this. One thing I will say is that I believe that the larger objects in the footage have been in our galaxy for maybe longer than we have. Some are very far away and the footage has been backed up by a few top people which have studied the film i.e. nasa have looked at the film and cannot prove it to be a fake even though they are unable to see the larger objects themselves. We are not alone, we never have been.
The first half is shown in negative video format to show a different perspective. Some of these are in deep space.
Galactic consciousness has arrived!
you cannot help but wonder with some footage, the down fall of this footage and the thing people will pull it up on as being fake is the flash of a belly button at 1.43, either the belly button is being passed of as a u.f.o or someone taped the u.fo's over what could quite possible be someones private 'home video' .
And you have been around for even less time. Is it not extraordinary, given the age of the universe, that the human race, and more to the point, YOU, are alive in this present time. As Harry Hill would say - what are the chances of that happening...
Given that space is infinite, then so too are the potential outcomes. The odds of me existing somewhere are therefore infinitely higher than me not existing. In fact, I exist somewhere in the universe at any given moment.
run that by me agaın.... _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
And you have been around for even less time. Is it not extraordinary, given the age of the universe, that the human race, and more to the point, YOU, are alive in this present time. As Harry Hill would say - what are the chances of that happening...
Given that space is infinite, then so too are the potential outcomes. The odds of me existing somewhere are therefore infinitely higher than me not existing. In fact, I exist somewhere in the universe at any given moment.
run that by me agaın....
Fate, circumstance, destiny, chance/whatever has deemed I exist within the soup of infinite possibilities. As the potential for my existence is just as high here as it is anywhere else in the universe, I must therefore exist somewhere at any random location at any given time, the same with you, even Blackcat.
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 179 Location: Manchester
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject:
I am not saying it IS. I am just wondering aloud. We have been told about plasma in the universe. It is very powerful------so much so we get effects like Aurora Borealis.
I am asking this, I repeat, NOT to discredit that it COULD be craft
I mean is it possible that plasma could 'concretize' dynamically and create dynamic structures which transform. Similar but more complex to how we get crystals? _________________ keep asking questions!
I think it's more a matter of condensing etheric energy out of the endless quantum sea - nice work if you can get it! _________________ http://niqnaq.wordpress.com
Yes i have had three experiences of seeing unidentifieable lights in the sky.
It seems theres a new wave of sightings, or maybe I just keep finding new articles on UFOs these days.
Is someone killing UFO investigators?
http://www.philschneider.org/articles/is_someone_killing.html
Video by the late Dr Karla Turner.
I just started reading some of the topics there. I find these incredibly fascinating. _________________ There's no such thing as 'mistake', it's what you DO and what you DON'T.
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 645 Location: UK Midlands
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:37 am Post subject:
zoomer wrote:
well at LEAST i HAVE pasted some kinda evidence. All you do is ask us to believe that man, who is called something else about crazy claims where he provides no proof whatsoever. Its for you to show this proof wiseguy. you bein so well read an all. present it here, and give us all a lesson in how to research propa
I'm tired of this. Thing is I'm not trying to convert/promote anyone or anything - I just linked to a video and commented on it as it was posted by a 3rd party newcomer to this forum. It's zoomer who seems to want to push people forcefully into the pointless and over-simplistic "true/false" dichotomy.
What do you want for proof from an item in this area? It's like asking for the 'real' or 'true' images of the charges being planted in the twin towers.
1. You won't get this kind of proof as such areas deal with black-project, compartmentalised systems
and
2. If you did get this above or in our case an image of Alex Collier onboard an Andromedan craft using the UFO's toilet - you'd just say it was "photo-shopped" or something anyway - it's pointless as your mind is firmly shut to possibilities, thus you'll wham your own template onto everything to achieve the pre-determined outcome.
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 645 Location: UK Midlands
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:49 am Post subject:
amber wrote:
Yes i have had three experiences of seeing unidentifieable lights in the sky.
It seems theres a new wave of sightings, or maybe I just keep finding new articles on UFOs these days.
There's an increasing amount of flaps [as they're called] all over the world - especially here but also in the UK. Linda M Howe even noticed what we've pointed out at http://exopolitics.org.uk - that there seems to be a new phrase/excuse being pushed by someone or some intel organisation here - that is that all these sightings are of course "Chinese lanterns".
And Karla Turner was a great person. I firmly believe that she was killed as she was revealing the darker side of the abduction/contact phenomena AND was of course a medical doctor, not some hick from Alabama or Wallsall
Interestingly for ppl like Zoomer - BOTH Alex Collier and Karla Turner give their books out online for free. Hmmm - that makes a whole lotta sense - making NO money from pure lies eh?!
"Louise, can you post a pic of the Lazar model craft please? Who is selling them? The Sports Model is meant to be a Pleiadian craft."
Yes, I'll try to get a pic posted of the craft on here ASAP although i've never posted a pic before on here so i'll have to figure out how to do that.
I've been working on it for the past few days and have built and painted it.
I even sometimes play with it (i know big kid really arn't i?).
I bought it from Ebay, it was quite expensive i paid £17 for it plus postage and packing, it came to over £20 in total, but i've always wanted a model of an ET spacecraft and i'm pleased i got one in the end.
"The Sports Model is meant to be a Pleiadian craft."
Really?
In the 16 page manual that comes with the model, it explains how the technology of the craft works with ellement 115 and the gravity amplifyers.
It also says that the ET's of this craft come from Reticulum 4 which is the 4th planet out from the star Zeta 2 Reticuli in the Zeta Retuculi 1 and 2 star system in the constellation of Reticulum whitch is 38 light years from earth.
It dosen't mention anything about it being a Pleiadian craft.
It also mentions something about the Lazar Tape.
Do you know where i can get this tape or an mp3 of it?. _________________ One sure way for evil to prevail, is for the good to do nothing.
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 645 Location: UK Midlands
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:48 am Post subject:
Louise wrote:
Yes, I'll try to get a pic posted of the craft on here ASAP although i've never posted a pic before on here so i'll have to figure out how to do that.
Just get the link to it online [can't upload them here I think] and hit the 'img' button. If you have nowhere to put it up - email it me and I'll send the link to you once up.
Louise wrote:
Really?
In the 16 page manual that comes with the model, it explains how the technology of the craft works with ellement 115 and the gravity amplifyers.
It also says that the ET's of this craft come from Reticulum 4 which is the 4th planet out from the star Zeta 2 Reticuli in the Zeta Retuculi 1 and 2 star system in the constellation of Reticulum whitch is 38 light years from earth.
It dosen't mention anything about it being a Pleiadian craft.
16 pages??! Wow. You get a book with it... I don't think anyone but the chief's at Area 51 or S4 know where it comes from but Bob Himself has said it is like this one... bet this is close to your model??
Louise wrote:
It also mentions something about the Lazar Tape.
Do you know where i can get this tape or an mp3 of it?.
I have it on video. I got it on VHS about 6 years ago and two years back I put it up after converting it onto google video. It got loads of hits and next thing I get a 'cease and desist' type email from Bob Lazar's publisher citing the DMCA. I had to remove it. I guess Bob is still making the odd $ out of it. Lots of it is science on how the craft you have worked using 115 and the tripod anti-gravity system. As it says in your booklet - they have two ways of using gravity - the 3 stick in a triangle for wArP speeds and 3 sticks used at slow speeds to move it round.
Yes that picture that you posted is very simular to the craft i have built.
It's a shame about that lazar tape, i'd love a copy of it.
It's great just to think that they have the technology sitting there in area 51 to perhaps take a quick flight around out solar system.
To travel out beyond Pluto and back to earth in a short space of time, just a quick run around the block.
But as usual we all know whats likely happening in area 51 when the millitary gets hold of advanced technology of this type, we can probably guess what goes through their minds the moment they see it, and it goes something like this:
"Wow what an advanced piece of technology, how can make a weapon out of it".
"How can we use it to kill loads of people, and make us superior in millitary terms over the rest of the world"
This i think is how the millitary think, they are forever locked in their own selfish greed.
Instead of trying to use the technology as a weapon, why not use the technology to make the next generation of civilian aircraft.
With the speed that these craft display means that people could go to a different country in a fraction of the time that they do now, perhaps even for just a day visit.
I'm sure that there are many other applications that this advanced technology can be used for that would benefit a lot of people and improve general life for everybody.
Awwww but to them killing and being superior is just far more intresting to them isn't it?.
One problem that must be addressed, and i would like some suggestions from people on this, is how to reveal the existance of UFO's and ET's to the world without a lot of people going mad and causing a mass panic and having people running around like headless chickens thinking that we are being invaded.
It people thought about it they would realise that if they wanted to they could have pulverised humans by now, but they haven't so that goes to prove to my mind that they are not hostile.
It would blow religon completely apart, but to be honest is that such a bad thing?, well it might be for the preists and clerics who would lose all their influence, power and control over people.
But how do you release all info about UFO's and ET's to the people of the world without them going mad and getting the wrong idea.
Suggestions Please. _________________ One sure way for evil to prevail, is for the good to do nothing.
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