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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:20 pm    Post subject: 9/11, the Bigger Picture & the Quest for Truth Reply with quote


9/11, the Bigger Picture & the Quest for Truth


A few weeks ago there was some Email exchanges regarding the name of this forum. In the absence of any apparent follow-up, I would like to share the following Email:

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Dear all,

I was approached recently and asked what had happened to www.nineeleven.com; before I could respond, my (rhetorical) questioner said, "Well, it seems to me that the UK 9/11 movement has been properly infiltrated ... 'cos why else would such a great 9/11 truth site be trying to pretend that it has nothing to do with 9/11?"

I had to agree that I too was disappointed at gradualism being applied to create an apparent distance between the Forum and 9/11; first the unfortunate title of 'War on Freedom', only to be succeeded by the ultra-cryptic 'Peacing it Together'. What next, 'A forum of interest’? That way, nobody will ever find it!!

What has been created over the past two years is an outstanding resource of information, hypotheses and conjecture on a whole range of subjects, which for the most part are not unrelated to the events of 9/11, which is still the most significant event of the story so far. I, for one, have no real desire to debate the finer points of what did or did not occur on 9/11 but the nineeleven forum provides an excellent vehicle for those who wish to do so … and every now and again, a nugget of new information or new hypothesis may stimulate a fresh line of research. However, what is more important is that even the casual visitor to the forum cannot ignore that the forum provides an intriguing insight into the threads of research being undertaken by those who have been researching the events of 9/11 for some time.

Consider that the range of topics encapsulated on the forum may well be a catalyst for opening the eyes of someone who still hangs on to the orthodoxy of the OCT!

My request is for a forum title that encompasses the breadth and depth of exchanges within the existing forum. I have no desire to participate in any other UK 9/11 forum because this is where the wealth of knowledge and wisdom has been posited.

For what it’s worth, I throw the following proposed Forum title into the ring for discussion:


9/11, the Bigger Picture & the Quest for Truth



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The Campaign to change the name of this form to something meaningful
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Ian, the name matters and 'Peacing It Together' is altogether too cryptic. Could the site constructors reconsider this decision please?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. Ian's title may be a little long winded but at least it has focus. Peacing it Together is a poor pun. Even good puns are old hat... Peacing it Together also sounds very - tame... like someone playing with a Jigsaw puzzle going

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Ian C says there have been email exchanges and concerns raised over the renaming of the forum

Here are some related threads and posts as well

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=77381&highlight=peac ing#77381
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=9832&highlight=peaci ng
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=10188&highlight=peac ing
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=9709&highlight=peaci ng

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=83539&highlight=peac ing#83539
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=80261&highlight=peac ing#80261

As I explain on some of those threads, I really do not care what this site is called provided it is clearly separate from the campaign and is seen not to be endorsing any one position.

Beyond that it should clearly communicate what the forum is about.

Whilst I personally like peacing it together since in conveys peaceful action and unity, I accept that others just see it as a bad pun.

My only criticism of Ian C's suggestion is the length: it's not snappy, so tentatively suggest something like

Truthquest

9/11, the Bigger Picture & the Quest for Truth

But before revisiting this decision, further feedback would be welcome. Name changes are disruptive, so ideally this, if it happens, is the last one.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quest for 9/11 Truth ?

9/11 & the quest for Truth ?

9/11 & Truth ?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truth Unbound

Truth, Peace & Liberty

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last time we did this, I threw "British Truthseekers" into the ring

And there it is again

"War on Freedom" really was an unfortunate first choice!

My one thought about the forums name is it should reflect what we are for, NOT what we are against

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about (more like what we are) a change of title as Truth seems to readily conjure up conspiracy theorist on too many occasion. How about 9/11 Jurors, or Truth Jurors at least? Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
Could work as an offshoot, but nobody sane spends months, years, building up awareness of a campaign to send the public back to the start again.

UK 9/11 Truth Campaign
UK 9/11 Truth Campaign
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UK 9/11 Truth Campaign
UK 9/11 Truth Campaign

Relaunch in Titanic style?
No thanks Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John White wrote:
My one thought about the forums name is it should reflect what we are for, NOT what we are against
If we only reflect the positive, how will people see the truth that they have been lied to in regard to 911? What's wrong with a title that has both positive and negative elements? 9/11 & Truth has the negative (911) and the positive (Truth).

Or shouldn't we mention 911 at all?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:28 am    Post subject: 9/11, the Bigger Picture & the Quest for Truth Reply with quote

My vote:


9/11, the Bigger Picture & the Quest for Truth


It might not be snappy but it's descriptive, informative and completely unambiguous!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: 9/11, the Bigger Picture & the Quest for Truth Reply with quote

ianrcrane wrote:
My vote:


9/11, the Bigger Picture & the Quest for Truth


It might not be snappy but it's descriptive, informative and completely unambiguous!


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I would prefer a shorter one but yours would be OK with me Ian. I’m not wanting to upset anyone but if it hasn't been done before why don’t we have a list of suggestions and then do a poll on them?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
No.
Could work as an offshoot, but nobody sane spends months, years, building up awareness of a campaign to send the public back to the start again.

UK 9/11 Truth Campaign
UK 9/11 Truth Campaign
UK 9/11 Truth Campaign
UK 9/11 Truth Campaign
UK 9/11 Truth Campaign

Relaunch in Titanic style?
No thanks Wink


Not entirely surely what you are proposing but if you are proposing to call it the UK 9/11 Truth Campaign, then no.

Once again.....

the whole point about the renaming that was discussed at numerous meetings last year and by email and which was accepted by a vast majority of those asked was the need to separate this forum from the campaign for the very simple reason that what gets said here does not and never has represented the campaign
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about...

UK Truth Forum

Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay - the forum not the campaign
Must get on message Wink

Surely should have something about freedom

War on Freedom forum

War on Freedom UK Truth forum

An unnofficial public forum hosted by the UK 911 Truth Campaign


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm quite uncomortable about this forum defining itself as being against their agenda: (as in Against (infered) War on Freedom) not becuase it is not, but becuase it is defining itself by a negative, which ulitmately I believe to be dis-empowering

Wheras if we are defined by what we are for (Truth, Justice, Peace) then we are building something to shift consensus reality towards what we actually want it to be

I've actually come to like "peacing it together", but then I am something of a poet in my soul, so I do get why others don't find it works for them

Nonetheless, I do stand by my thoguhts above

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trouble is John, like it or lump it the world did change on 911 and the defining change is what has brought us together

Please, please, lets stick with something which isn't too 'smart ass' but really does boil down why we're here and what we're all about that absolutely anyone including, especially, those who still believe the official story - will immediately understand.

That us the crux of getting the name right - what will newcomers make of it - the ! CRUX !

I see my role primarily as a freedom fighter untangling true ideas rather than using a sword or a gun and we are to a certain extent defined by the fact that we do have a fight on our hands which is by no means of our choosing. It has been defined by the Neocon Fascist madmen's lust for power - just as everybody feared it might at the end of the second world war.

I certainly wouldn't be here if I didn't believe this was deadly serious - which is why Dave's spin-out is actually so damned annoying!!

it's all about freedom for me which is why I thought the parody styl;e - war on freedom was short snappy and perfect for what we're doing.

Peacing It Together
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I'm quite uncomortable about this forum defining itself as being against their agenda: (as in Against (infered) War on Freedom) not becuase it is not, but becuase it is defining itself by a negative, which ulitmately I believe to be dis-empowering

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might be wrong, but I get the feeling things are a lot calmer round here since the name changed.

I'm really not fussed about the name though, IMO the current name and many of the suggestions above would be suitable.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My vote's for either Ian C's suggestion or leaving it as it is.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couple of completely different ideas Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about "we are maimed individuals trying to sort out fact from propogated fantasy" * it - just give it a name - and allow f*uck
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The site could always be called "Free Beer"

You'd get loads of hits, but maybe not much more serious debate...

I suggested this because all the good potential names had been suggested, so I resorted to humour to cover for my lack of imagination.
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