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Does that mean Jesus lives?? Or am I missing something here 
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Saw an interview with him on BBC.
The guy has flipped. Literally.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's still with or back with the MI5.
He thrown UK 9/11 truth's credibility down his own stupid toilet with that nonsense he's spouted.
I'm absolutely ashamed to say I used to respect him.
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I am very concerned about thngs that have been said by David Shayler.
I am concerned because i feel that the things he has said would be like heaven to all critics of movements like ours, it plays right into their hands.
They will be like vultures and make a 4 course meal out of the things that he said, and use it as a powerfull weapon against us to put us truthers in a bad light and to discredit us and they will milk it for all its worth.
This will not help in the slightest the objectives of the various truth movements.
I know that the man might have been through a lot and i'm sorry to hear that he has been through whatever he has been through.
But i worry that his words have given our critics ammo.
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| Who else thinks he is and always has been.. an agent of influence, still under the control of the british government? |
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| Louise wrote: | I am very concerned about thngs that have been said by David Shayler.
I am concerned because i feel that the things he has said would be like heaven to all critics of movements like ours, it plays right into their hands.
They will be like vultures and make a 4 course meal out of the things that he said, and use it as a powerfull weapon against us to put us truthers in a bad light and to discredit us and they will milk it for all its worth.
This will not help in the slightest the objectives of the various truth movements.
I know that the man might have been through a lot and i'm sorry to hear that he has been through whatever he has been through.
But i worry that his words have given our critics ammo. |
I'd comment that there is just as much evidence to suggest Dave Shayler has been suckered in to discredit spiritual awakening:
I don't credit either possibility overmuch: Dave Shayler being Dave Shayler is all the explanation needed
Still if some group is latching onto Shayler it may very well not be a good thing: for him
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| ChannerUK wrote: | | Who else thinks he is and always has been.. an agent of influence, still under the control of the british government? |
I can see why it would be tempting to think so, but I don't believe that to be true.
Until recently, David came across to me as articulate, sincere and lucid in his presentations. He may have appeared to be, but he never actually was an 'official spokes-person', and thrusting that non-existent role onto him now may be symptomatic of the kind of pressure that might have put him where he's at today.
While I'm sure there exist those who will attempt to use his recent behaviour as a cheap stick to beat whatever they want to beat, (and they'd only use whatever else came to hand anyway) I feel we do at least owe the man some forebearance and understanding at least for his previous services on our behalfs, if not because he's only human, during this stage of his life.
What does it say about us if we turn our backs on him now?
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| Quote: | | where he gave a hour long narcissistic monologue during which a frail-looking David Shayler explained that he was not only the re-incarnation of the Christ but also the re-incarnation of King Arthur, Leonardo Da Vinci and a whole host of other historically significant characters. |
His head most be scrambled but the sad thing is he believes that this is true
and he has experienced all this, even thou most people will see it as nonsense.
You watch give him 6 to 12 months and he will be in rehab or a mental hospital claiming MI5 are using mind weapons against him,but by then his credibility will be zero. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: Panacea Society to interview David Shayler |
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It can be confirmed tonight that David Shayler will be interviewed next week by the mysterious (??Christian??) Panacea Society, based in Bedford. Afterwards he may be invited to join. My advice is - don't get sucked in Dave.
I imagine that he will eventually be accepted into membership.
What annoys me somewhat though is that these Panacea people can get charitable status but we at EcoVillage Network UK, trying to link up eco-communities round the country can't! ho-hum
http://www.panacea-society.org/
The first is "Joanna Southcott's BOX"
From time to time her mentor (The Voice) ordered certain of her writings to be sealed and locked in a large box, never to be unsealed until sent for by 24 Bishops of the Church of England in a time of great national danger, and then only subject to certain conditions.
The Theology of the Panacea Society
http://www.panacea-society.org/beliefs.htm
The fundamental theology of the Panacea Society is as follows:
1. The GODHEAD is fourfold, not a Trinity, and comprises FATHER & SON (masculine), and MOTHER & DAUGHTER (feminine). This belief in the concept of the Divine Mother and Divine Daughter was conveyed regularly in dictations from Our Lord to Octavia from 1919 to 1934, and published in "The Writings of the Holy Ghost".
2. The Immortal SOUL of Man persists beyond the death of the body to live in Heaven. The Immortal SPIRIT is GOD-GIVEN, and will remain on earth in due time to live in Immortal Bodies. SALVATION, as understood by the Church, is survival in Heaven in a celestial body; REDEMPTION as believed by the Society, is persistence on earth in a terrestrial body.
3. The RULE of GOD will commence at, and expand from, a Centre, and will be realised by those with Immortal Spirits, who have desired to remain on earth at the Second Coming - thus fulfilling the first request of the Lord's Prayer.
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authorities to spy on all websites that use a US based ISP and subject
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:43 am Post subject: Re: Panacea Society to interview David Shayler |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | It can be confirmed tonight that David Shayler will be interviewed next week by the mysterious (??Christian??) Panacea Society, based in Bedford. Afterwards he may be invited to join. My advice is - don't get sucked in Dave.
I imagine that he will eventually be accepted into membership.
What annoys me somewhat though is that these Panacea people can get charitable status but we at EcoVillage Network UK, trying to link up eco-communities round the country can't! ho-hum
http://www.panacea-society.org/
The first is "Joanna Southcott's BOX"
From time to time her mentor (The Voice) ordered certain of her writings to be sealed and locked in a large box, never to be unsealed until sent for by 24 Bishops of the Church of England in a time of great national danger, and then only subject to certain conditions.
The Theology of the Panacea Society
http://www.panacea-society.org/beliefs.htm
The fundamental theology of the Panacea Society is as follows:
1. The GODHEAD is fourfold, not a Trinity, and comprises FATHER & SON (masculine), and MOTHER & DAUGHTER (feminine). This belief in the concept of the Divine Mother and Divine Daughter was conveyed regularly in dictations from Our Lord to Octavia from 1919 to 1934, and published in "The Writings of the Holy Ghost".
2. The Immortal SOUL of Man persists beyond the death of the body to live in Heaven. The Immortal SPIRIT is GOD-GIVEN, and will remain on earth in due time to live in Immortal Bodies. SALVATION, as understood by the Church, is survival in Heaven in a celestial body; REDEMPTION as believed by the Society, is persistence on earth in a terrestrial body.
3. The RULE of GOD will commence at, and expand from, a Centre, and will be realised by those with Immortal Spirits, who have desired to remain on earth at the Second Coming - thus fulfilling the first request of the Lord's Prayer.
Powweb is US based which is an issue since a new US law allows US
authorities to spy on all websites that use a US based ISP and subject
to US law.
ahem... |
Looks like a bunch of people in search of their own "messiah" alright: any candidate might do!
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I wouldn't be surprised if he's still with or back with the MI5.
EDIT: It was a channel 4 interview. WATCH IT HERE |
Does that imply one can leave M15.
Must be a first.
There is a saying once a thief always a thief.
The same law probably applies to spooks.
I have come across no evidence to the contrary.
When did Bin Laden stop being in the pay of the CIA?
When they or he said so? |
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| Deca wrote: | This Is Your Brain on God
Michael Persinger has a vision - the Almighty isn't dead, he's an energy field. And your mind is an electromagnetic map to your soul. |
Persinger has done great stuff - he also did a video on how every type of psychoactive drug functions in the brain.
Problem is he thinks his helmet is the answer to everything - he became a reductionist. I did a post on this a few months back if you type persinger and helmet you'll get the thread maybe...
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I wouldn't be surprised if he's still with or back with the MI5.
He thrown UK 9/11 truth's credibility down his own stupid toilet with that nonsense he's spouted.
I'm absolutely ashamed to say I used to respect him. |
ChannerUK
Are you seriously suggesting that MI5 would want to employ someone who's going around saying he's the Messiah??
His recent pronouncements are a dream come true for them - it discredits everything he's done in the last decade. The tragedy is that this now means that there will definitely be no enquiries into:
1) MI5 files held on government ministers.
2) IRA bombs that could and should have been prevented.
3) Illegal MI5 phone taps.
4) The wrongful and ongoing imprisonment of two innocent people for the Israeli embassy bombing in London in July 1994.
5) The illegal MI6 assassination attempt against Gaddafi.
To name but a few examples of what the man blew the whistle on.
So, it's sad for Shayler, a temporary embarrassment for the 9/11 movement, but a real tragedy for those who are still wrongfully imprisoned or those who were maimed and murdered by MI5 and MI6.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: Really Ms Machon? |
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1) Perhaps, indeed, Shayler's mission has been to subvert & destroy/divert free-thinking radicals both when he was in MI5 & subsequently. Rather like yourself.
2) Perhaps the Machon-Shayler strategy is only half completed--I await your exit strategy with interest Ms Machon--might have looked suspicious even to the devotees of this forum if you'd both left at the same time....
3) Before you return to the Bailliwick, perhaps Ms Machon, you'd care to give us examples (even one would do) of where you/Shayler have 'blown the whistle' on MI5 murdering people. I'm not saying they haven't, merely that in ten years you & your charmless colleague have never divulged any details...
...Or is it that the 'Official Secrets Act' prevents you from naming names re MI5, but not re MI6? Hardly plausible, is it? But there again, the idea you or Shayler have a civil libertarian bone in your body is implausible too...
You may well, for as long as you deem it prudent, pull the wool over the eyes of 9/11 cultists Ms Machon, but as you know there are some people, myself included, who you have never fooled for an instant. Nor will you. |
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Post in critics corner or on your lame blog please Larry
Perhaps, this. Perhaps, that.
Perhaps, NFB speculate, David and Annie are in this for the money. I can tell you if they are they are making a nonsense job of it.
Perhaps, NFB speculate, David and Annie are here to discredit and divide the 9/11 truth movement in Britain. But given that you reckon that we and the J7 campaign are a conspiraloon cult, why would you care?
Perhaps NFB are also MI5.
So much ill-informed and mispresentative speculation. So little proof to support your speculation.
Yes of course given the nature of 9/11 any movement challenging the official myth will be of interest to the security services and they will no doubt be keeping a watching eye. Some may even be sympathetic of 9/11 truth whilst feeding information back to their managers.
But unless it can be proven, then the presumption is that everyone is genuine and sincere. Everyone in this movement should use their own intuition and judgement and work with who they feel comfortable with |
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| Louise wrote: | I am very concerned about thngs that have been said by David Shayler.
I am concerned because i feel that the things he has said would be like heaven to all critics of movements like ours, it plays right into their hands.
They will be like vultures and make a 4 course meal out of the things that he said, and use it as a powerfull weapon against us to put us truthers in a bad light and to discredit us and they will milk it for all its worth.
This will not help in the slightest the objectives of the various truth movements.
I know that the man might have been through a lot and i'm sorry to hear that he has been through whatever he has been through.
But i worry that his words have given our critics ammo. |
Poor old Shayler may be going nuts, it is true. But he can not do any damage to a movement that has no impact anyway. WAC has no real balls. What impact have they had on the subject anyway. That is why I have washed my hands with them. WAC is a highly conceited movement in the best part. I have found some good members with their heart in the right place. But I would imagine there USA counterparts would have the same conclusion to this group as I do. I follow the American version on a regular basis to see what they do. And they are real movers. 9/11 in this country is becoming a fashion statement to these loonies here. But I cannot see any impact. Give up losers or change your practice. When are you going to awake from your distractions and turn your(and at present I use the term sparingly)your power to save your own country and stop harping on about the USA. You pick the American issue to be on safer ground. 9/11 is important to the world. But so is 7/7 and the Euro Super State. But the majority of the cowards on here pick the safe options.
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David
In case it has escaped your notice, you and anyone else is free to show the rest of us how it should really be done. If you think there is a better way to do this, more important issues to focus, better ways of campaigning off you run and show us how it is done.
Believe me, if you are successful, everyone will be happy and thankful to you and will forgive and forget your childish spats and insults. But if all you can do is insult the efforts of others whilst doing nothing of consequence yourself, then excuse me I and presume many others ignore your wisdom and get along without you |
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| ian neal wrote: | David
In case it has escaped your notice, you and anyone else is free to show the rest of us how it should really be done. If you think there is a better way to do this, more important issues to focus, better ways of campaigning off you run and show us how it is done.
Believe me, if you are successful, everyone will be happy and thankful to you and will forgive and forget your childish spats and insults. But if all you can do is insult the efforts of others whilst doing nothing of consequence yourself, then excuse me I and presume many others ignore your wisdom and get along without you |
Oh yes. You mean like the way they (WAC) attacked me for making a video and telling me my video was not good enough for the to appear in. and you call me childish.
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| ian neal wrote: | Post in critics corner or on your lame blog please Larry
Perhaps, this. Perhaps, that.
Perhaps, NFB speculate, David and Annie are in this for the money. I can tell you if they are they are making a nonsense job of it.
Perhaps, NFB speculate, David and Annie are here to discredit and divide the 9/11 truth movement in Britain. But given that you reckon that we and the J7 campaign are a conspiraloon cult, why would you care?
Perhaps NFB are also MI5.
So much ill-informed and mispresentative speculation. So little proof to support your speculation.
Yes of course given the nature of 9/11 any movement challenging the official myth will be of interest to the security services and they will no doubt be keeping a watching eye. Some may even be sympathetic of 9/11 truth whilst feeding information back to their managers.
But unless it can be proven, then the presumption is that everyone is genuine and sincere. Everyone in this movement should use their own intuition and judgement and work with who they feel comfortable with |
"Everyone in this movement should use their own intuition and judgement and work with who they feel comfortable with". As long as Ian says you can.
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| no dave you never needed my permission or say so to do anything and whatever problems you have had with your video had nothing to do with me. |
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| Annie wrote: | | ChannerUK wrote: |
I wouldn't be surprised if he's still with or back with the MI5.
He thrown UK 9/11 truth's credibility down his own stupid toilet with that nonsense he's spouted.
I'm absolutely ashamed to say I used to respect him. |
ChannerUK
Are you seriously suggesting that MI5 would want to employ someone who's going around saying he's the Messiah??
His recent pronouncements are a dream come true for them - it discredits everything he's done in the last decade. The tragedy is that this now means that there will definitely be no enquiries into:
1) MI5 files held on government ministers.
2) IRA bombs that could and should have been prevented.
3) Illegal MI5 phone taps.
4) The wrongful and ongoing imprisonment of two innocent people for the Israeli embassy bombing in London in July 1994.
5) The illegal MI6 assassination attempt against Gaddafi.
To name but a few examples of what the man blew the whistle on.
So, it's sad for Shayler, a temporary embarrassment for the 9/11 movement, but a real tragedy for those who are still wrongfully imprisoned or those who were maimed and murdered by MI5 and MI6. |
Surely you've backed up everything he's said in that list. And as far as I can tell, you're perfectly sane. |
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