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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: NBC Air 911 Truth Hit Piece on History Channel |
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Here’s a breakdown of the History Channel hit piece in a nutshell. Boy was this ever a highly unprofessional, condescending, biased work of ad hominem propaganda. Conspiracy theorists were derided throughout the program as being ignorant, mean and kooky with no personal lives. On the other hand, the Popular Mechanics editors were given the last word on each and every subject along with the undeserving title of “expert”. To the best of my knowledge, not one of the pencil pushing staff members have any credentials that are relevant to any aspect of 9/11 truth. Of course it was the conspiracy theorists that were accused of not having anyone of the valid expertise necessary for stating their assertions logically. They do this by completely ignoring the very existence and works of groups like architects and engineers for 9/11 and Pilots for 9/11 truth. Also just as expected, the History Channel failed to disclose the Chertoff connection and other major conflicts of interests that have clearly drastically compromised the research and conclusions of their so-called “experts”. It was disingenuous and deceptive from the very start. It only got worse.
They made the claim that the fires did not have to melt the steel in order for the buildings to have collapsed. They even admit that the fires did not burn hot enough to melt the steel. What they completely ignored is the undeniable fact that steel was observed and analyzed as having been melted by firefighters and experts alike. So we’re left wondering how exactly it was that steel was found in a molten state if as they had clearly stated themselves, it couldn’t have happened in the first place? The NY Times referred to this phenomenon as being “perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered” and yet just like NIST, the History Channel and Popular Mechanics simply chose to ignore it.
Ignored study:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/index.html
They decided to only show the 90-foot hole in the Pentagon that occurred twenty minutes after the initial impact of the plane rather than showing us the most important photo of the much smaller hole that was only roughly sixteen feet wide immediately after impact. Another very convenient omission of crucial evidence.
Ignored photo:
http://911review.org/images/snopes/hole.JPG
And then there was the comment of FDNY Chief of Safety Albert Turi. NBC reporter Pat Dawson claimed that what Turi actually said was that he had heard explosions, not bombs. But that was a total lie according to Dawson’s own account, “reports of a secondary device, that is another ‘bomb’ going off”.
NBC ignored its own report:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/050504bombsinwtc.htm
As we can see, Mr. Dawson has a personal vendetta against the 9/11 truth movement.:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/7554
A few key points ignored by the hit piece.
No mention of the multiple news reports that reported building seven as having collapse before it ever did.
No mention of Pakistan’s ISI Chief (the alleged “money man” behind 9/11) meeting in Washington the very morning of 9/11.
These are just a few points off the top of my head. I’ll have more to add as my memory becomes refreshed. There was just so much that was either ignored, misconstrued or outright false in this piece. |
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: |
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One of their so-called expert engineers contradicted the previous claims of their other experts at Popular Mechanics. The engineer claimed that the near-perfect exit hole in the C-ring of the Pentagon was created by a collective mass of debris that formed as the plane broke apart upon impact. I believe the word he used was “avalanche”. That’s strange because PM on the other hand has previously informed us that it was created by the landing gear (I believe they said this on Democracy Now). Which “expert” are we to believe when they contradict one another?
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/exit.html
Quote: | The only other possibility was produced by Purdue University. It involved the "liquefaction" of the aircraft. It supposes that a ball of energy and debris stayed intact throughout the building and made a perfect hole on the other side 310 feet away. |
http://www.rense.com/general63/pmm.htm
PM Claims Landing Gear Made Pentagon 12 Foot Hole
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Louise Validated Poster
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Can someone please explain to me why ANYONE, would want to defend and protect mass murderers?, even if those murderers were part of a goverment.
This is really one thing that baffles me.
To do this puts the life of every american citizen at risk.
And indeed the whole world at risk.
Surely the best thing to do in the intrests of everybodys safety is to expose them. _________________ One sure way for evil to prevail, is for the good to do nothing. |
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Rowan Berkeley Relentless Limpet Shill
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They just haven't adjusted to the Internet age - they still think old fashioned news management will keep the lid on. |
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Louise Validated Poster
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It's sick Tony, really sick.
Human life and safety is more important than money, every time. _________________ One sure way for evil to prevail, is for the good to do nothing. |
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: Always 'Popular Mechanics'... |
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Louise wrote: | Can someone please explain to me why ANYONE, would want to defend and protect mass murderers?, even if those murderers were part of a goverment. |
It is always interesting to note that the common factor in any of these "de-bunking" articles, be they mainstream TV 'hit pieces' or other cobblers which the mainstream media endlessly spew, is referral to 'Popular Mechanics'. So, in a partial answer to Louise, it is relatively few so called 'experts' who seem to publicly defend the official 911 nonsense, and, of course, the clowns in 'Popular Mechanics' are journalists, not experts in the field of physics, mechanics, engineering or architecture.
Of course, most ordinary people will defend the official 911 nonsense because they know no other. |
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Me Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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You'll recognize some of what I wrote above in this counter-piece.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/200807hitpiece.htm
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The Mother Of All 9/11 Truth Hit Pieces Airs Tonight
History Channel, Popular Mechanics, NBC & Hearst Publishing team up for smear job as conflicts of interest run rife
Steve Watson & Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, August 20, 2007
A documentary entitled The 9/11 Conspiracies, to be aired on the History Channel this evening, may represent the biggest hit piece to date on the 9/11 truth movement and is rife with bias, cronyism and conflicts of interest.
The so-called documentary promises not to look at the flaws in the official story from a neutral perspective but to start out by suggesting that any deviation from the official line is "outrageous".
The program also features so called independent "experts" who are actually in the employ of the program makers themselves who in turn rely on scores of multi-million dollar contracts with the government and the military-industrial complex.
The program, scheduled for Sunday, August 12 at 8:00 PM and Monday, August 13 at 12:00 AM, will feature Alex Jones, the Loose Change crew and other 9/11 researchers such as Professor Steven Jones and Webster Tarpley.
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One may therefore be forgiven for thinking the piece could allow for a fair representation of the 9/11 truth movement. However, a short blurb which initially appeared on the History Channel's website sets a rather familiar one sided tone (click for screenshot).
An Internet search for "9/11 conspiracy theories" yields nearly two million hits. Were the attacks on 9/11 perpetrated by the Bush Administration to advance its own interests? Could a government missile have hit the Pentagon? As outrageous as these ideas may sound, many people believe them. Why do these theories arise in the first place? An interview with James Meigs, Editor-in-Chief of Popular Mechanics, who refutes many of these theories. Watch as experts in the fields of aeronautics, engineering and the military put these theories to the test.
The makers of the hit piece then immediately back-pedaled and altered the program description on their website after Infowars highlighted the blatant biased agenda of the piece and its multiple corporate conflicts of interest.
This suggests that we should be prepared for more pseudo psychology as "experts" condescendingly explain why people turn to "conspiracy theories" for comfortable simple explanations of complicated world events. Maybe the History Channel will even seek the expert analysis of the former director of the X-files just as the BBC did in their own 9/11 hit piece which was broadcast earlier this year and received a great deal of criticism for its reliance on emotional bias and avoidance of the core issues.
In the same vein as the BBC piece, the new documentary will once again feature James Meigs, Editor-in-Chief of Popular Mechanics, who is neither an expert on 9/11 research nor on engineering, but rather is an expert on yellow journalism and shilling for the Bush Administration.
Meigs has an illustrious pedigree that puts him right up there with the professors and scholars that have studied 9/11 and the architects who designed the WTC - we just can't decide which title to give prominence, his position on the editorial staff of that bastion of scientific empiricism Entertainment Weekly or the equally respected Video Review.
Meigs has flatly refused to debate 9/11 questions with either Alex Jones or the Loose Change producers and will now only appear unopposed.
Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Publishing. As fictionalized in Orson Welles' acclaimed film Citizen Kane, William Randolph Hearst (pictured below) wrote the book on cronyism and yellow journalism and Popular Mechanics hasn't bucked that tradition.
Enter the term "yellow journalism" in the Encyclopedia Britannica and one of the first entries you will see is William Randolph Hearst. The listing attributes to Hearst a legacy of "distorted" and "lurid" reporting, and cites him as being hugely influential in fanning the flames of the Spanish-American war as a result of his newspaper's sensationalist yellow journalism.
Popular Mechanics is owned by the very corporation that defined yellow journalism!
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Popular Mechanics is not politically independent nor is it non-partisan. Indeed, the foreword to Popular Mechanics' Debunking 9/11 Myths book was written by Republican Senator and presidential candidate John McCain.
In the foreword, McCain re-hashes an abhorrent amount of Neo-Con detritus that relies solely on 9/11 having happened exactly as the government claims it did. "We liberated Afghanistan from the murderous rule of the Taliban, our attackers' proud hosts. We chased Al Qaeda around the globe," barks the Arizona Senator.
Does this sound politically neutral to you?
In addition, Popular Mechanics' Debunking 9/11 farce has been thoroughly debunked itself and shown to be nothing more than a strawman assault based around nepotism, shoddy research and agenda-driven politics.
Hardly a good starting point for any serious or balanced investigation into 9/11 questions.
Further investigation into the makers of the new documentary also throws up a whole host of conflicts of interest.
Loose Change's Jason Bermas an Korey Rowe during taping for the upcoming History Channel hit piece.
Firstly, The History Channel is part of the A&E Television Network which is jointly owned by The Walt Disney Company (37.5%), The Hearst Corporation (37.5%), and NBC Universal (25%).
Immediately then it becomes apparent that the owners of Popular Mechanics are also the joint owners of the History Channel. Once again it is not a good starting point for a neutral investigation when the people you choose to represent one side of a factual debate are actually on the payroll.
No doubt there will be a great deal of advertising of Popular Mechanics' 9/11 debunking book within the so-called documentary in order to fatten up Hearst's profits.
Furthermore, the other joint owner of The History Channel, NBC Universal, is run by General Electric, the world's second largest corporation and one of the major players within the military industrial complex.
GE is a major supplier of arms and the “war on terrorism” has seen GE’s government and military contracts rise substantially to over $2.2 billion.
In short GE really has very little to gain and a great deal to lose from probing into questions concerning the possibility of 9/11 being a military intelligence operation to seed the "war on terror" and to justify a huge increase in military activity around the globe.
We spoke to the producer Brad Davis about the upcoming show and he refused to comment on the conflicts of interest, but did tell us in a previous conversation that the show would not be a hit piece, so we will reserve full judgement until the documentary is aired and then it will become immediately apparant if Mr. Davis was telling the truth or not.
On average the History channel has up to 10 million viewers prime time in the US alone and their programs repeat ad infinitum for years. Infowars and Prisonplanet.com will be all over this program as soon as it airs exposing and countering each and every lie and piece of misinformation it contains, just as we have done with every other hit piece so far. |
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have a hunch that the History Channel is going to edit out many of the errors that truthers have pointed out before it airs again. The program was supposed to air again this afternoon but it’s no longer listed. I have a feeling that it’s scrub time and Pat Dawson’s comments will be removed and denied.
I could be wrong....
I'm hoping that someone has the original broadcast recorded so that we can compare and contrast any changes that they might make. They already delayed the air date once seemingly responding to criticisms. |
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Louise Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Found this website about 911.
It seems like it's trying to debunk people like us:
http://www.911myths.com/index.html
It says for example that there is an airport very near to the pentagon where ordinary planes overfly the pentagon to get to the airport.
So there can be no restricted airspace around the pentagon and no missile defences.
Is this site just made up by someone, someone working for the goverment maybe and is just a big pack of lies and deceptions. _________________ One sure way for evil to prevail, is for the good to do nothing. |
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Louise,
They maybe right about an airport being nearby, but the Pentagon sits in P56 Airspace, this means that any planes taking off or coming into land have to veer sharply to avoid flying over the Pentagon.
Not too sure about the missile defences, but it is definitely restricted airspace, you can be sure that a 'hijacked jet' heading toward the Pentagon with it's transponder switched off SHOULD be of some concern, but according to OCTers it's nothing unusual because there was an airport nearby _________________ There is no squabbling so violent as that between people who accepted an idea yesterday and those who will accept the same idea tomorrow. |
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Louise Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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The goverment is going to put out a lot of disinfo to try to cover it's tracks and try to counter people like us Dstevo.
There as slippery as a bar of soap.
But i know we'll nail them in the end and they'll pay for their crimes . _________________ One sure way for evil to prevail, is for the good to do nothing. |
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/210807_dirty_tricks.ht m
Quote: | History Channel Hit Piece: Dirty Tricks, Malicious Lies & Journalistic Fraud
The real story behind Brad Davis, NBC, Popular Mechanics and the History Channel - media whore stooges who engaged in deliberate deception, manipulation and chicanery to please their corporate bosses
The History Channel 9/11 special that aired last night was by far the worst hit piece we have ever witnessed, a completely savage, dishonest and deceptive abomination, replete with dirty tricks, malicious lies and a level of journalistic fraud that goes way beyond simple bias.
Bradley Davis, the producer of the show, is a paid liar and a hit piece specialist who deceives people by gaining their confidence and then attacking them behind their back.
He is famous for the smear job documentary on Michael Jackson and makes a career out of conning people and then stabbing them in the back. His tongue is so smooth, that even the Loose Change crew were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on his impartiality before last night's hit piece was aired, with Davis having tricked them into believing he was a friend.
Before filming began, Alex Jones asked Davis point blank if the documentary was going to be a hit piece, which Davis denied. After we brought attention to the History Channel's blurb on their website, which clearly characterized the show as a hit piece, Davis panicked and promised to alter the promo, calling it a "misrepresentation," as well as re-edit the entire program to make it more balanced. The promo temporarily disappeared from the website and the broadcast of the show was put back by a week.
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During the course of this second exchange, Davis again promised Jones that the show was not going to be a hit piece and was very upset that we had discovered he was behind the NBC hit piece on Jackson - seemingly frightened that his cover might be blown and his next victim would be alerted to his scheming tricks. He was terrified and kept repeating that he didn't want to be quoted on anything he said.
Just like Popular Mechanics swore that their straw man smear job wouldn't be a hit piece, Davis engaged in journalistic fraud and complete dishonesty by lying directly to Alex Jones' face in claiming the documentary was to be neutral just so he could secure the interview.
Just like William Randolph Hearst, the progenitor of the term "yellow journalism," Davis will go down in history as a liar and a fraud.
The show itself was deliberately crafted, edited, shot and manipulated to portray the 9/11 truth movement in a completely negative light, while exalting the so-called experts to almost God-like status.
- The program makers pulled out all the stops to hire nationally renowned NBC news anchor Lester Holt (pictured) to narrate the show, a trusted voice that was utilized to brutally debunk 9/11 truth representatives.
- The debunkers, people like James Meigs whose scientific expertise stretches as far as being the editor of Video Review and Entertainment Weekly, were labeled as experts while real experts like Physicist Professor Steven Jones were stripped of any such description.
- The debunkers' interviews were pristinely shot and framed, with beautiful backdrops and highly sympathetic camera angles and filters, whereas the truthers were shot from bizarre positions, their images were deliberately distorted and even the color filter of the shot had been manipulated to make their appearance look tainted, blurred and contorted. This was an intentional ploy and a crude act of manipulation to detract credibility from the truthers and violates all known ethical standards of journalism.
- The producers of the show failed to offer the proviso that Hearst Publishing, the owner of Popular Mechanics, also holds a controlling stake in the History Channel (via its stake in the A & E Television Network), therefore concealing from the viewer a blatant conflict of interest that negated the neutrality of the show before it had even begun.
- The debunkers were afforded far more time on camera while the truthers were sidelined.
- The narrator of the show would dismiss the questions and evidence raised by the truthers as unproven or debunked in an ad hominem manner without providing any evidence to justify the assertion.
- The truthers were edited so that only hesitant responses to questions were broadcast, casting doubt on the veracity of their claims in the mind of the unsuspecting viewer.
- The show included a clip of Alex Jones' appearance at the University of Texas, at which around 500 people packed the lecture hall to hear his speech, but deliberately and maliciously edited the footage to include shots taken during recess, so as to make it appear that the lecture hall was mostly empty. In addition, lingering shots of empty chairs were included to further deceive the viewer into thinking few had attended the speech. This is journalistic fraud of the worse kind - a blatant misrepresentation and deliberate skewing of actual events.
- In a similar vein, footage from 9/11 truth protests was broadcast but the angle of the shot was always tight, so as to make out that few people had attended the demonstration, when in fact thousands were present.
- Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics, mirroring a dirty trick that was also employed in the BBC hit piece, maliciously lied and smeared Alex Jones and others in the program by claiming that most of the 9/11 families hate them and that they are responsible for causing the families more pain. Coburn and the show's producers know this is an outright lie and that the majority of the family members are asking the same questions as Alex Jones and others. Bill Doyle, representative of the largest group of 9/11 family members told the Alex Jones Show directly that over half of the family members have questions about the official story. Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew offered contact details for numerous 9/11 first responders, firefighters and family members that were asking questions of the official version, but absolutely none were interviewed by Brad Davis and the rest of the show's producers.
- The producers of the show tried to make out that Loose Change had recanted their position on the issue of controlled demolition, when in fact Dylan Avery and the other members of the crew were merely using their Final Cut version to focus on other topics, having already covered controlled demolition at length in previous versions. This trick was used to claim that evidence for bombs and controlled demolition, which is attested to by scores of firefighters and first responders, none of which were interviewed by the producers, had been debunked.
- Articles and text from 9/11 truth websites were shown, but the actual URL addresses of the sites were blurred out, with the History Channel obviously frightened that people might actually visit such websites and find out that the program was a pack of lies.
- The debunkers attempted to wriggle out of Secretary Norman Mineta's bombshell testimony about Cheney's actions in the Emergency Operations Center, by claiming that Mineta was talking about Flight 93 and not the plane that hit the Pentagon. In reality, Mineta makes it clear in his testimony that he is talking about Flight 77, "the airplane coming in to the Pentagon," and this is then confirmed by Commissioner Lee Hamilton.
- The debunkers admitted that temperatures inside the twin towers were not hot enough to melt steel, but claimed that they were hot enough to weaken steel and cause the collapse. The debunkers uniformly failed to address the fact that firefighters and first responders described witnessing molten steel beneath the rubble of the towers and they also ignored Professor Steven Jones' scientific analysis of the iron-rich microspheres found in the rubble. In a website posting last night, Professor Jones stated that he emphatically pushed the dust analysis during his interview with the producers, but the topic was completely overlooked. The New York Times reported that the molten steel was "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered" but the History Channel, mirroring NIST, failed to address the issue.
- The debunkers mentioned WTC 7 only in passing and completely failed to address why the building, which wasn't hit by a plane, collapsed in 7 seconds into its own footprint after suffering only limited fire damage from falling debris. They also failed to mention why news outlets were reporting the collapse of Building 7 over an hour before it actually fell.
- The wargames that dovetailed 9/11 and deliberately confused NORAD personnel so as to slow response to the real attack were completely excluded.
- The Able Danger program and how the hijackers were discovered before 9/11 was completely excluded.
- The fact that the money man behind the hijackers, Pakistan’s ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, was meeting with U.S. government and intelligence officials before and on the morning of 9/11, was completely excluded.
- William Rodriguez' first-hand testimony of explosions prior to the impact of the planes was completely excluded, as was the testimony of numerous firefighters who attested to bombs and explosions.
- NBC reporter Pat Dawson claimed that FDNY Chief of Safety Albert Turi had only described explosions, not bombs, going off, contradicting Dawson's own report at the time which stated, "Reports of a secondary device, that is another ‘bomb’ going off."
After watching this two hour charade, Alex Jones was left stunned and irate that the producers had deliberately set out to create something that goes way beyond the scope of bias - an intentional propaganda attack piece strewn with manifestly provable lies, dirty tricks and misrepresentation, and that the show's producers, and in particular Brad Davis, had purposefully lied all along in order to shield the fact that this was a savage hit piece of the highest order.
In comparison, The History Channel makes Fox News look fair and balanced!
Framing Alex Jones as a demon and making out that he is causing pain to 9/11 families, when in fact during our last visit to ground zero most of the firefighters and police personally thanked us, is a very serious allegation and we are waiting to see what kind of damages will accrue as a result while we consider our next step.
As we expected all along, Brad Davis and the rest of the charlatans at NBC, the History Channel and Popular Mechanics, have pleased their corporate masters by unleashing the most twisted, distorted, dishonest and savage hit piece in television history. They have shown their hand by deliberately abandoning any pretense at ethical journalism and delivering exactly what their Hearst "yellow journalism" Publishing and GE bosses demanded - a bias, malicious, deceptive, and manipulative tissue of lies and another reason for Americans to disengage from an establishment media empire that continues to hemorrhage viewers on a daily basis due to its ceaseless lies and propaganda.
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Rowan Berkeley Relentless Limpet Shill
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Anyone who claims the Pentagon doesn't have state-of-the-art anti-aircraft defenses is having a little joke - because, obviously, you can't say anything about these defenses without breaking US law. Not even David Young of Cryptome has ever detailed these defenses, AFAIK, presumably because to do so would be to be locked up for a good few years without any dispute whatsoever being legally conceivable. _________________ http://niqnaq.wordpress.com |
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Louise wrote: | Can someone please explain to me why ANYONE, would want to defend and protect mass murderers?, even if those murderers were part of a goverment.
This is really one thing that baffles me.
To do this puts the life of every american citizen at risk.
And indeed the whole world at risk.
Surely the best thing to do in the intrests of everybodys safety is to expose them. |
Why would they do it? They've sold their souls, like Hitler, Stalin et al.
There are a host of 'False Flag' ops through history, all requiring considerable numbers to be privy to the 'sacrifice' of humans to the plot in hand. Research Pearl Harbor/Harbour, but for a real dilly, check out the 'USS Liberty'.
Here are a couple of sites where you can watch or download 'Liberty' DVD's (See 'Loss of Liberty'
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7267134620652018859 and 'Dead in the Water' http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5073.html ) 'Dead in the Water' is BBC programme commissioned from Peter Hounam (who broke Mordechai Vanunu's story about Israel's nuclear arsenal) who also wrote the excellent 'Operation Cyanide' on the same subject. The book is even more revealing. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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Louise Validated Poster
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It's ok, i've done a bit of reserch into Ronald Reagan National Airport and it says:
"Prior to September 11, 2001, the most notable security measure was the southbound approach into the airport. Most of central Washington D.C. is prohibited airspace up to 18,000 feet. Due to this restriction, pilots approaching from the north follow the path of the Potomac River and make a steep turn shortly before landing on the southbound runaway. This approach is known as the River Visual and is commonly cited as one of the most challenging approaches in the world.[citation needed] Similarly, flights taking off to the north are required to climb quickly and take a steep left turn, to avoid contact with the Washington Monument or flight over the White House or Pentagon."
So it is restricted airspace indeed, just like Dstevo said (thanks Dstevo), and it probably is defended by mssiles allthough i am still trying to confirm this.
Can anyone else give me a site whitch shows that the pentagon is defended by missiles?.
Also i saw on a programme called "dreamland" how agressively the USA defends its restricted airspace.
The person hosting the programme got a little single engine plane and came within a mile of the restricted airspace of Area 51.
He (an the pilot) were intercepted by 2 fully armed F-16 fighters. _________________ One sure way for evil to prevail, is for the good to do nothing. |
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Me wrote: | You'll recognize some of what I wrote above in this counter-piece.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/200807hitpiece.htm
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The Mother Of All 9/11 Truth Hit Pieces Airs Tonight
History Channel, Popular Mechanics, NBC & Hearst Publishing team up for smear job as conflicts of interest run rife
Firstly, The History Channel is part of the A&E Television Network which is jointly owned by The Walt Disney Company (37.5%), The Hearst Corporation (37.5%), and NBC Universal (25%). |
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Walt Disney, Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and ...History all connected.
Someone out there is definitely having a laugh! |
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Rowan Berkeley Relentless Limpet Shill
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History Channel tries to pass off ytmnd joke site "Jews Did WTC" as real 9-11 truth site!
Signs of the Times, Aug 22, 2007
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/138630-History+Channel +tries+to+pass+off+ytmnd+joke+site+%22Jews+Did+WTC%22+as+real+9-11+tru th+site%21
If you watched the History Channel '9/11 Conspiracies' show last night, you may have noticed how right off the bat they went for the old guilt by association method of associating truthers with the practically nonexistent "Jews did it" crowd. What you may have missed is that in the end of the segment they do a slow zoom into a website in an "evil type way", with the implication it was a truther website, which says "JEWS DID WTC" and flashes Stars of David, the twin towers, and other 9/11 related pictures. What they didn't mention was that this site is a ytmnd parody site! You can see the site right here: http://jewswtc.ytmnd.com/. The history channel is so desperate to slander 9/11 truth that they actually attempted to link the movement to a ridiculous ytmnd parody site! Talk about desperation! _________________ http://niqnaq.wordpress.com |
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Howie Minor Poster
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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conspiracy analyst wrote: | Me wrote: | You'll recognize some of what I wrote above in this counter-piece.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/200807hitpiece.htm
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The Mother Of All 9/11 Truth Hit Pieces Airs Tonight
History Channel, Popular Mechanics, NBC & Hearst Publishing team up for smear job as conflicts of interest run rife
Firstly, The History Channel is part of the A&E Television Network which is jointly owned by The Walt Disney Company (37.5%), The Hearst Corporation (37.5%), and NBC Universal (25%). |
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Walt Disney, Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and ...History all connected.
Someone out there is definitely having a laugh! |
They seem to have shot themselves in the foot - what a wonderfully clear shot of the North Tower with it's black smoke and no flames - in other words with fire nearly out. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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tomcatma Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: yep |
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Wells sus that it goes out on holiday time and not on the sixth anniversary, which would seem a more appropriate screen time. It seems designed to attack the upcoming wearechange/infowars new york event. felt a bit sore for the loose change crew. They seem to be more cogniscent of the nest of vipers the media are.
looks like rent a mouth Coburn is having a show lined up for himself. "Popular Mechanics" on The Mystery Channel. The other bozo from PM unconsciously expresses it in his put down of Avery and crew. |
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