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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject: Morgan Reynolds Sues NIST Contractors for 9/11 Plane Fraud Reply with quote

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=federal_case
Morgan Reynolds; August 21; 2007 Summary:; Last month the U.S. District Court; Southern New York; unsealed a 9/11 case filed by Dr. Morgan Reynolds; thereby making the case public. Reynolds is suing on behalf of the United States of America after the U. S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York who represents "the government" declined to intervene in the case. The suit; a so-called qui tam case; alleges that the 9/11 contractors NIST hired to investigate destruction of the WTC Towers on 9/11 defrauded the U.S. government of substantial money by rendering bogus; impossible physical analysis and animations about how two hollow aluminum aircraft (allegedly Boeing 767s) flew into a steel/concrete tower and disappeared. Yet it can be easily demonstrated; after a great deal of hard work by dedicated 9/11 researchers; that no planes hit the towers. The office of Reynolds' attorney; Jerry V. Leaphart of Connecticut; is now serving the defendants in the suit; including Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC); Applied Research Associates (ARA); Boeing; American Airlines; United Airlines and Silverstein Properties. I will post ne information on the case as developments warrant.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: Morgan Reynolds Sues NIST Contractors for 9/11 Plane Fra Reply with quote

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Yet it can be easily demonstrated; after a great deal of hard work by dedicated 9/11 researchers; that no planes hit the towers.


So the many pieces of aircraft wreckage found afterwards were planted? And all the eyewitnesses who saw the planes in the air mistaken? All of the photographs taken..... fake?

http://www.911disinformation.com/noplanes/NoPlanesCounterEvidence.html

Could you post a link for this 'easily demonstrated' work that supports Reynolds claim?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

as usual, this camp are discrediting "no-planes" by associating it with "space beams":

"Instead, all such documentation serves solely to mislead, obfuscate and provide a vehicle for the intended fraud; namely, that of steering NIST away from a consideration of what caused the destruction of WTC1,2; which, as elsewhere elaborated upon, was the use on 9/11/01 of exotic weaponry known as directed energy weapons... "

(from the .pdf of the complaint)

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved to 9/11 Truth controversies
If Andrew is successful on this thread or elsewhere in convincing this forum as a whole of the no plane theory we can move it back to news

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still not convinced by the No-Planes but I like this development as it should force more info and possibly even guarded evidence into the open Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so if you still believe in the plane theory then who was flying the aircraft because it certainly wasn't muslims...your only option is remote controlled aircraft and i doubt very much they would have risked two planes..besides radar would have picked them up...so can you see how stupid the plane theory is?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so if you still believe in the plane theory then who was flying the aircraft because it certainly wasn't muslims...your only option is remote controlled aircraft and i doubt very much they would have risked two planes..besides radar would have picked them up...so can you see how stupid the plane theory is?


radar DID pick them up!

remember the "is this real or a exercise" phone call?

we have a plane heading towards newyork and wondered if you could scramble some f-16's or something up there to help us out.

UNIDENTIFIED BLIPS PICKED UP ON RADAR, unidentified because transponders were turned off. if they did'nt pick them up on radar then please explain how anyone knew inorder for them to make that phone call asking for help because a plane was heading towards new york?

i suppose the whole conversation could of been set up, but ive seen no evidence to date proving it, so whats gonna happen if it was a real conversation? and something was indeed picked up on radar matching the planes flightpath?

i hope something comes of it all the same, but if its proved planes did hit what then?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
Moved to 9/11 Truth controversies
If Andrew is successful on this thread or elsewhere in convincing this forum as a whole of the no plane theory we can move it back to news


OK TOny, It's down to me to "convince people is it"? I'm some kind of "authority" am I?

Why is my opinion any more persuasive than that of an Attorney and former Professor of Economics?

Why doesn't scholarly research such as this count for more.

http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/PinocchioStudy/Chopper5Velocity.html

But sorry, it's obviously down to me to dictate what the evidence tells us and what the laws of physics are. Thanks for elevating me to this almost "godlike position", but it is hugely inapprorpriate, misrepresentative and therefore serves no purpose

The physical evidence does not support planes hitting the towers (evidence refernced above was planted), but lets just forget that inconvenience and focus on unity etc... far more important than consistent laws of science.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Reynolds' complaint had no merit, the court would have dismissed it. They did not.

Instead, they unsealed it, and the Plaintiff's attorney, Jerry Leaphart, is now serving the Defendants with notice of the complaint.

Since the US District Court did not dismiss the complaint as frivolous, they obviously find ample evidence supporting the theory that no planes hit the towers and that directed energy weapons were used for the towers' destruction.

It is worthy to note that the Plaintiff (Dr Reynolds), representing the USA, is demanding a Trial by Jury.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked at the evidence page linked above. There certainly are a good number of videos that show planes. But only 3 (AKAIK) were shown "live", and none of them actually showed the plane hit. The rest came out later.

If they can fake one, they can fake any number. We are talking about individuals who can lay their hands on a billion dollars like it was pocket change.

And there is almost no plane debris at all, at any of the 4 sites. Are you kidding me? That landing gear under the scaffolding? Please.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: The TV fakery is glaringly obvious Reply with quote

Rowan raises an interesting point about sheep-dipping "no planes" by wrapping it into DEW/Exotic Weaponry.

They should be completely separate issues.

Of course, the blatant fakery of CNN's "ghostplane", the ABC Fairbanks cartoon and the Park Foreman "plane"
certainly imply that no planes hit the Towers.

Otherwise, why bother to broadcast CGI of cartoon planes ?

For me, there's nothing "controversial" about the TV fakery of the various alleged "South Tower hit" images.

Hence nothing controversial about the no planes hypothesis.

The Orwellian "truth" of it is right in our faces:

See for yourselfl, in case you have any doubts
... if you dare ..

Then watch "September Clues" to grasp how it was done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U_GISl3aAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCVwuf_AMFs
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I looked at the evidence page linked above. There certainly are a good number of videos that show planes. But only 3 (AKAIK) were shown "live", and none of them actually showed the plane hit. The rest came out later.

If they can fake one, they can fake any number. We are talking about individuals who can lay their hands on a billion dollars like it was pocket change.

And there is almost no plane debris at all, at any of the 4 sites. Are you kidding me? That landing gear under the scaffolding? Please.


i certainly hope he is challenging the plane evidence at all 4 sites and not just at the towers, however with him sueing NIST something tells me he is only concentrating on the towers. as NIST was contracted to explain how the towers collapsed, so somehow i cannot see shanksville being in question, even though every one in whole 9/11 truth movement would agree there was no plane at the spot they said it crashed at shanksville.

the challenges so far have not been over the most provable undenible evidence so far, its as though those bits must be avoided in favour of the bits that can be explained or hard to believe for a jury.

all the problems and questions people have raised over NPT will now need to be faced instead of ignored. this aint a case of reynolds getting up there to give his case without it being challenged or counter evidence being provided, i just hope NPT'ers took notice of all questions and counter evidence raised in debates on forums, and have the answers, because a great deal of them will be raised again but this time in court.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re No Planes

First it was ridiculed

Now it is being violently opposed

Soon it will be accepted as self evident

This thread should be moved back to the news section because THIS IS NEWS

ARE YOU LISTENING MR GOSLING?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I don't quite understand about NPT, is the process behind creating the 'cartoon' planes.

Is it generally accepted that the footage was created prior to the event and then somehow cut into the live feed?

If there were so many camera crews on the scene, s there any testimony that clearly states there was no aircraft (not, 'I didn't actually see one.' - which is quite different).

There must have been a great many people directly under the flightpath of the second aircraft - are we to believe they didn't see the plane and later imagined they did?

This is where NPT falls down.

In addition, has the NPT 'hologram club' now been disbanded in favour of sensibility?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so if you still believe in the plane theory then who was flying the aircraft because it certainly wasn't muslims...your only option is remote controlled aircraft and i doubt very much they would have risked two planes..besides radar would have picked them up...so can you see how stupid the plane theory is?


Right, because the idea that the planes were holograms that just happened to mesh perfectly with the holes in the buildings, that the WTC towers were actually brought down by the Death Star / explosives alone / Chuck Norris, and that They not only faked the passenger lists but bribed / cajoled / gave delicious, delicious candy to a mass of witnesses and news reporters to earn their silence in regards to the most heinous in-joke of the century makes SOOOO much more sense.

And AJ, yeah, I would agree that it is up to you. You and others are the ones forwarding this silliness, surely you're not saying it's our job to prove it for you...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Re No Planes

First it was ridiculed

Now it is being violently opposed

Soon it will be accepted as self evident

This thread should be moved back to the news section because THIS IS NEWS

ARE YOU LISTENING MR GOSLING?


that can be said about any theory, even the elvis lives theorys around the web, however it will not and cannot apply to every possible scenerio regarding 9/11 truth, some will be wrong and some will be right.

if this case is going to be heard in court, then let the jury decide.

i cannot be a*** pointing out the errors or problems in the parts of the theory, it aint like anyone takes note or trys to answer concerns, the usual response is an attack or accusations and a foul mouthed attitude from certain posters.

i don't agree with all the NPT evidence but i hope something comes of it and that i am proved wrong if it exposes the lies of 9/11.

i don't care about being wrong its often a process suffered by many in the hunt for the truth, nobody is ever right all of the time, but admitting your wrong is another process altogether that i see some avoid to keep their ideas alive(from all sides of the arguement about differant pieces of evidence).

i am yet to see someone post in this thread who is violently opposing anything, other than those opposing forum rules again.

i am certain that if NPT is correct, then some of the evidence used to promote it was false, which leads people to have have doubts. some of the videos linked over the past have been proven so, so it would of been the disinfo within the theory itself that stopped people seeing NPT if it is proven correct, not that people violently oppose it as a theory or that they are gatekeeping or what ever else you like to assume etc.

the theory could be correct but that dos'nt mean all evidence presented to convince us was correct, if you see what i mean. it would make it hard to believe if that is the case because evertime something is produced and explained away with ease it gives people doubts about the overall theory.

so NPT researchers need to look at what they are promoting before attacking people and trying to make sure everything is 100% true and admitting themselves when someone has got it wrong on certain evidence who supports NPT.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, after a break from all this, I'm back to find Andrew and a delegation of 'researchers' finest still peddling their wares.

NPT is the chimps tea party of 911 Truth. Just like the chimps, they go through the motions of logical exposition and ignore the gaping great holes in their performance.

Just as the chimps can ape the usage of cutlery and crockery without having any conceptual grasp of the purpose of a saucer or a teaspoon, so it is with the NPT adherents.

Firstly, they conspire to give the impression that 911 was purely a media event, and ignore eyewitnesses - although they do like to quote those witnesses from the wrong geographical locations who couldn't have seen the strikes as suggestive that the same applies to all witnesses.

But their biggest fraud is in microscopically dissecting electronic media formats that were never designed to convey the information they attempt to extract from it. No amount of counter argument has ever, nor will it ever, counter what they think they can find there.

That is then wrapped in an arse-backwards cult-like insulating security blanket of a philosophy that attempts to portray to themselves that these dozen cultists are 'on to something' - which is confirmed by their being 'attacked'.

Let's go down this current roll shall we?

First we have Andrew posting this 'hollow aluminium aircraft' press release. Null points for any understanding of what an engineering feat of strength a 100 ton airliner that can slam down onto the ground at 200 mph day in, day out, for decades without deforming actually is.

"Yet it can be easily demonstrated; after a great deal of hard work by dedicated 9/11 researchers; that no planes hit the towers".

Really? I've taken an interest in this non-subject for quite some time now and the only thing that I've seen 'easily demonstrated' is how time and time again NPT'ers are selective in interpreting 'evidence' and prone to drawing fantastic (as in fantasy-like) conclusions. He later tells us that this is the opinion of a 'Profesor of Economics - and an attorney! - as if that has any bearing on anything whatsoever. Just a question Andrew - would the opinion of the Head of the Federal Reserve and a Supreme Court Judge top both those in the seniority stakes? And since when did appeals to authority ever hold water, in this forum especially. It's not as if you're unaware of these tactics, so why use them?
Maybe they're only there for the benefit of your easily swayed surrogates.

MFP then jumps in completely unaware of the radar data and attempts to imply that the Real Big Boeing Planer evidence is 'stupid'. MFP's gaffe about the radar data is his attempt at evidence to justify his arrogant and ill-informed assertion.

Now I'd never come and flat out to say it like that -nor would I lack the courtesy, but let me just say at this juncture that my view of NPT would be somewhat similar.

Andrew then jumps back in claiming that 'scholarly' (if discredited) junk science such as Ace (Ace! - God, how laughable) Baker's pseudo scientific
chimps' tea party of an attempt at a technical evaluation has some merit.
Can he be that misinformed? Apparently so.

CB_Brooklyn then tries to inject some gravitas by gravely explaining that the case must have merit otherwise it wouldn't have been accepted in court - as if a private case to sue third parties can be judged 'frivolous' before it comes to court.

Baker then joins the fray to suggest that the disappearance of the airframes proves their non-existence. Only with a pre-determined conclusion in mind, Ace. As is well known and leaving all other considerations aside, the site clearance was speeded up at Ghouliani's instigation and wreckage (and remains) sorting became non-existent after 3 months.

Sai Girl - having been hot-housed at that veritable hub of critical thing 911 'researchers' then kites the idea that there is 'nothing controversial about no planes' and spams a load of links to simulations, fabrications and the same tired old footage that has never convinced anyone but the credulous and conspiraloon-minded since day one.

And then dear old PAT jumps in to misquote Ghandi, completely unconcerned that his usage of the quote in question would serve flat-earthers and peadophiles just as readily.

So yes Tony, I certainly hope you are listening and continue to relegate this toss to the appropriate section for as long as tolerating its very existence demands it, and for as long as it keeps spawning and re-spawning its discredited, recycled and repackaged same old non-hypotheses.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ckek you are a professional FOGGER

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy Rider wrote:
Ckek you are a professional FOGGER

Get back under your bridge where you belong


I can only think you get a perverse buzz out of being wrong PATTCEZ (I'm a professional technician with teenagers who are aware enough to spot the holes in NPT) and I wondered what an appropriate response to your usual style of reply could be, before settling on this one:

"First it was ridiculed

Now it is being violently opposed

Soon it will be accepted as self evident"

I must be onto something!!

P.S. Nice to see another your ridiculous and divisive polls attracting their usual countable on the fingers of one hand amount of responses.

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The regrettable thing here is that vanity and votes count more than truth. It is the way of the organization to keep its whole.

It is in the news that a court hears this case.

There has been NO judgment as to its validity, as CBbrooklyn falls to his knees again. To be accepted only form and fees must be paid the best is yet to come.

But news it is and in the "mainstream" when it is in the US Federal courts. Unlike the hard-on for science boys who pontificate a good filing but never made it at least Leaphart and Reynolds stand there in reality.

For these 911 truth organizational pufters news seems to be that Avery was "rejected" from the Toronto film festival. Sad but not truth, truth is he had nothing to submit and was not rejected since he did not submit.

Controversy is 911 Eyewitness who WAS accepted to both the LA and NY film and video fests, showed to packed rooms and already won the award for best Historical Documentary in LA. NY awards have not been posted yet. Of course, not news either as it is not a California sci-fi fantasy supported by the organizations and sent to the History Channel for debunking. What was that she said there? "Do I look Crazy?" America thought so how about you?

I have received a special invitation to show at the Morocco Film Festival and am contemplating right now as it was by the request of the King. You know how I feel about royal requests. All that - not news. Nowhere. So, on with the controversy!

ps, it was news, just not "911 truthy news". It was in Hollywood Reporter and other film magazines. NY Metro (a Murdock Rag) picked up the packed room and even had a picture.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chek wrote:

(I'm a professional technician with teenagers .


They usually put them in jail.

You might well be a * of sorts but I think the FOGGER fits better. You really do that well.
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(I'm a professional technician with teenagers .


They usually put them in jail.

You might well be a * of sorts but I think the FOGGER fits better. You really do that well.


Aha - the old word twisting gambit, eh Rick?
Which'll get you about as far as all your stables other stellar output.

Still, I can't believe that such a tortured double-entendre would even make it through the most drunken and desperate late-night emergency
re-write of a Carry-On script.
Nah mate - leave the writing to those who can and stick to exploiting disasters.

Thanks also for the career update - although I'm sure you can see as well as I can that it plays right into the hands of those who would accuse you of being nothing but a self-promoting careerist paltroon (< that's an Irish word I'm not sure there's an accurate English equivalent of).

Nice to hear that Murdoch also likes you. Was that before or only since your remarkably and lamentably passive limp-dicked 'performance' on their radio show?

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Rick seems to have his gibberish generator stuck at only half strength (unlike Nico)
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http://www.911researchers.com/files/JohnGibson_RickSiegel17Jul2007.mp3

Speaks volumes.

http://www.911bloggertv.com/share/view/67/damn-you-you-blew-it-up-/

even more volume up and enjoy!

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911Eyewitness wrote:
http://www.911researchers.com/files/JohnGibson_RickSiegel17Jul2007.mp3

Speaks volumes.

http://www.911bloggertv.com/share/view/67/damn-you-you-blew-it-up-/

even more volume up and enjoy!

See you at the film festivals *!


i had a listen to your radio interview, i found it intresting and agree about what you said about 9/11 mysteries and sophia, however you complain about people being dishonest and then from what i can tell are dishonest yourself.

you associate the whole 9/11 truth movement as being the ones who misused your footage and accept it as truth, that means alot of people are associated to the fraudulant part/s of 9/11 mysteries who had nothing to do with it and who also think it was wrong, you accuse loosely to begin with and it give a bad impression on every single person who calls for a new investigastion, why not stick to those who are actually responsible and those who actually defend it? ie: naming names instead of loosely accusing the whole movement before mentioning the names.

during the radio interview you said:

"i was 9/11 eyewitness that day, i filmed it for onlinet.v.com from hoboken and i got dragged into these 9/11 truth movement people, cause they saw some things in this video that i shot"

hmmm.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HwepA4G-Fw

are you suggesting the following documentary is disinfo and you had nothing to do with making it? you got dragged in?

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2939164701791209176&q=9%2F1 1+eyewitness&total=209&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

i cannot think where these so called 9/11 truthers could of got their suspicion from inorder to question 9/11 or suspect CD:?

you say 9/11 truthers are misleading people to make people think there were explosives in the buildings becasue sophia added noises into a clip of your footage.

then you watch 9/11 eyewitness and its saying that explosions were going of and that the towers fell due to explosives Laughing so how can sophia be misleading about CD when its claimed CD was used in your documentary also?

she fabricated a piece of evidence but did'nt mislead about CD and if she did then your documentary must of also, as they both claim CD.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In addition, has the NPT 'hologram club' now been disbanded in favour of sensibility?

I certainly hope not, because that is the one I personally adhere to.
There are too many difficulties with the'live feed' theory, though I agree that with some shots there is nothing in the skies.
An actual virtual presence seems most likely and to fit with most of the anomalies, - it's just that the provability of the technology is absent

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject: re: Eyewitness to "a bomb not a plane" Reply with quote

He emphatically insists that "it was a bomb .. not a plane.."
Repeats it even, for clarity.

Here's just one. There are more.

http://www.911bloggertv.com/share/view/6/it-
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:21 am    Post subject: re: Eyewitness to "a bomb not a plane" Reply with quote

For some reason that link got truncated.

Here it is again...

http://www.911bloggertv.com/share/view/6/it-was-a-bomb-not-a-plane-/
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Re: re: Eyewitness to "a bomb not a plane" Reply with quote

theSaiGirl wrote:
For some reason that link got truncated.

Here it is again...

http://www.911bloggertv.com/share/view/6/it-was-a-bomb-not-a-plane-/


there are a few reports of explosions just prior to the second plane, is he refering to the fireball seen on the outside or was he inside the towers at the time?

also if he was outside where was he postioned? there is'nt enough information in that short clip to enable the answers to be evident, is there a full interview or was that it all he said as far as others are aware?
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