To the best of my knowledge, Darwin was neither invisible, violent, or a misogynist. Though I could be wrong about the last.
Nooo, I'm talking about he of the burning bush and the child-killing-to-prove-a-point fetish.
You may be too far gone to even try to save. Are you really that filled with evil thoughts?
All i can suggest is you reach deep inside and find what soul you have left. _________________
You may be too far gone to even try to save. Are you really that filled with evil thoughts?
Yep. And I'm a lesbian, to boot.
I'll be the judge of how much soul I've got left, thanks; that's not something to be determined by some random internet yahoo that thinks Christianity has a lock on the metaphysical game. _________________ "What about a dance club that only let in deaf people? It would really only need flashing lights, so they'd save a lot of money on music." - Dresden Codak
Yep. And I'm a lesbian, to boot.
I'll be the judge of how much soul I've got left, thanks; that's not something to be determined by some random internet yahoo that thinks Christianity has a lock on the metaphysical game.
How does 'outing' yourself excuse the filth that has emanated from you up till now?
And what does Yahoo have to do with anything are they owned by a Christian or something? _________________
Yep. And I'm a lesbian, to boot.
I'll be the judge of how much soul I've got left, thanks; that's not something to be determined by some random internet yahoo that thinks Christianity has a lock on the metaphysical game.
How does 'outing' yourself excuse the filth that has emanated from you up till now?
And what does Yahoo have to do with anything are they owned by a Christian or something?
I.... I'm not even really sure how to respond here. Are you seriously this ignorant, or is this really a clever ploy to drag a different response out of me? _________________ "What about a dance club that only let in deaf people? It would really only need flashing lights, so they'd save a lot of money on music." - Dresden Codak
Listen, you have used some insulting phrases to describe religion. Which were totally uncalled for.
Why not withdraw them?
You wont win arguments by blaspheming.
And i asked you what does Yahoo have to do with this - in response to your comments.
Dont forget Rosie O'Donnell who describes herself on her show as a Catholic. _________________
Orthodox science usually is very conformist towards the system.
There is no such thing as real independent science anymore, because it is all very heavily specialized and extremely dependent on state funding. And any stray scientists who MAY threaten corporate interests are dealt with through various means. Including murder. _________________ keep asking questions!
Listen, you have used some insulting phrases to describe religion. Which were totally uncalled for.
Why? It's what I believe, and I'm not censoring myself in order to avoid offending your apparently delicate sensibilities.
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Why not withdraw them?
Because I don't want to, mostly.
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You wont win arguments by blaspheming.
First, I didn't see it as arguing. I saw it as you shoveling a fair amount of rhetoric, and I was making fun of you. Second, I couldn't "win" this 'argument' with you no matter what I said to you. And believe me when I say that's not a compliment on the strength of your faith. Third, it would only be blaspheming if I believed in the same version of god as you do.
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And i asked you what does Yahoo have to do with this - in response to your comments.
Were basic grammar assumed instead of M.I.A. on online forums, you might've noticed that I didn't capitalize "yahoo". I wasn't referring to the popular search engine. I was referring to YOU. As in, you are a religious yahoo. An insane person. A bit of a nut.
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Dont forget Rosie O'Donnell who describes herself on her show as a Catholic.
What exactly does this have to do with anything? Lesbians are not a Borg-like collective. Rosie being Catholic does not make ME a member of that impressively misogynistic religion as well. _________________ "What about a dance club that only let in deaf people? It would really only need flashing lights, so they'd save a lot of money on music." - Dresden Codak
Yeah right, and wasnt Darwins theory taken on by Mr Hitler himself?. ....Dawkins makes me sick too.
Yes agree with most of the sensible posters here, religion is funded and run by gangsters, look at the masonic symbols all over them, the dirty tricks in the Vatican, The Sai Baba paedophile, the modern day perverted caste system of India, the hypocrisy of the church... etc etc
We are suffering for our own sins, Jesus didnt die for our sins, he knew he wasnt the body and would incarnate again.
There is still some potency in the scriptures, I am trying to read them myself.
Atheism is the biggest lie ever sold.
Make as much money and satisfy your senses as much as you can before you die. Consume for your happiness and bow down to no one, only a potential lover.
This is totally new world order, a manifesto that most people have bought into. Thats why we are in such a state now. a totally lost and Godless society.
You only have to listen to Handels Messiah, Bulgarian Orthodox choirs or Lee Perry to know the most magnificent music was made in praise and inspired by God.
Loving God well is the only way.
Heres Bob on the matter:
Well posted Amber.
Belief in God is the only salvation for all todays problems.
What does your belief say about this?
In 1909, while lecturing in Switzerland on the Gospel of Saint Luke, Dr. Rudolf Steiner spoke for the first time of a deep cosmic mystery of there having been not one, but two Jesus children born in Bethlehem.
How can we comment on an article written by someone else, written by Steiner, written by the Gospel of St Luke translated thousands of years ago?
The King James Bible was exactly that, approved by the King of the day, many details have been omitted or changed.
There could well have been two Jesus' there are lots in Spain these days....
The two Jesus' could be the two sides of the same person? or a double to trick the enemies.
As much as the article looks interesting and I admire Rudolf Steiner, I am interested in the teachings of the prophets, how they lived their lives, and not in the details that these speculative secondary sources that academics try to delve in.
How can we comment on an article written by someone else, written by Steiner, written by the Gospel of St Luke translated thousands of years ago?
Because you are free to do so. You could comment on the fact that Steiner died in 1926 and the Dead Sea scrolls were found in 1947
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The King James Bible was exactly that, approved by the King of the day, many details have been omitted or changed.
Can you provide details?
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There could well have been two Jesus' there are lots in Spain these days....
Jesus was a common name back then.
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The two Jesus' could be the two sides of the same person?
Hmm...interesting Jesus and Jesus Christ were not the same?
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or a double to trick the enemies.
Who were the enemies?
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As much as the article looks interesting and I admire Rudolf Steiner, I am interested in the teachings of the prophets, how they lived their lives, and not in the details that these speculative secondary sources that academics try to delve in.
Details are important Amber. Why do you think this site exists?
"Shortly after the year 2000 a kind of indirect prohibition on thinking will eminate from America, a law that will aim to suppress all individual thought"
Yeah right, and wasnt Darwins theory taken on by Mr Hitler himself?.
Based on a massive misunderstanding of Darwin's theories, perhaps he did. The thing to be considered is that Hitler wasn't even born until 7 years after Darwin was in the ground. Are we to blame people for massive misintepretations of their theories by genocidal f**kheads (thank you, Eddie Izzard) after they're dead?
Or, for that matter, while they're still alive? Come on people, let's try and be a bit more rational. _________________ "What about a dance club that only let in deaf people? It would really only need flashing lights, so they'd save a lot of money on music." - Dresden Codak
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:38 am Post subject:
TmcMistress wrote:
amber wrote:
Yeah right, and wasnt Darwins theory taken on by Mr Hitler himself?.
Based on a massive misunderstanding of Darwin's theories, perhaps he did. The thing to be considered is that Hitler wasn't even born until 7 years after Darwin was in the ground. Are we to blame people for massive misintepretations of their theories by genocidal f**kheads (thank you, Eddie Izzard) after they're dead?
Or, for that matter, while they're still alive? Come on people, let's try and be a bit more rational.
Very many thanks for "Fraser" (412/1. "Hereditary Improvement," by Francis Galton, "Fraser's Magazine," January 1873, page 116.): I have been greatly interested by your article. The idea of castes being spontaneously formed and leading to intermarriage (412/2. "My object is to build up, by the mere process of extensive enquiry and publication of results, a sentiment of caste among those who are naturally gifted, and to procure for them, before the system has fairly taken root, such moderate social favours and preference, no more no less, as would seem reasonable to those who were justly informed of the precise measure of their importance to the nation" (loc. cit., page 123).) is quite new to me, and I should suppose to others. I am not, however, so hopeful as you. Your proposed Society (412/3. Mr. Galton proposes that "Some society should undertake three scientific services: the first, by means of a moderate number of influential local agencies, to institute continuous enquiries into the facts of human heredity; the second to be a centre of information on heredity for breeders of animals and plants; and the third to discuss and classify the facts that were collected" (loc. cit., page 124).) would have awfully laborious work, and I doubt whether you could ever get efficient workers. As it is, there is much concealment of insanity and wickedness in families; and there would be more if there was a register. But the greatest difficulty, I think, would be in deciding who deserved to be on the register. How few are above mediocrity in health, strength, morals and intellect; and how difficult to judge on these latter heads. As far as I see, within the same large superior family, only a few of the children would deserve to be on the register; and these would naturally stick to their own families, so that the superior children of distinct families would have no good chance of associating much and forming a caste. Though I see so much difficulty, the object seems a grand one; and you have pointed out the sole feasible, yet I fear utopian, plan of procedure in improving the human race. I should be inclined to trust more (and this is part of your plan) to disseminating and insisting on the importance of the all-important principle of inheritance. I will make one or two minor criticisms. Is it not possible that the inhabitants of malarious countries owe their degraded and miserable appearance to the bad atmosphere, though this does not kill them, rather than to "economy of structure"? I do not see that an orthognathous face would cost more than a prognathous face; or a good morale than a bad one. That is a fine simile (page 119) about the chip of a statue (412/4. "...The life of the individual is treated as of absolutely no importance, while the race is as everything; Nature being wholly careless of the former except as a contributor to the maintenance and evolution of the latter. Myriads of inchoate lives are produced in what, to our best judgment, seems a wasteful and reckless manner, in order that a few selected specimens may survive, and be the parents of the next generation. It is as though individual lives were of no more consideration than are the senseless chips which fall from the chisel of the artist who is elaborating some ideal form from a rude block" (loc. cit., page 119).); but surely Nature does not more carefully regard races than individuals, as (I believe I have misunderstood what you mean) evidenced by the multitude of races and species which have become extinct. Would it not be truer to say that Nature cares only for the superior individuals and then makes her new and better races? But we ought both to shudder in using so freely the word "Nature" (412/5. See Letter 190, Volume I.) after what De Candolle has said. Again let me thank you for the interest received in reading your essay.
Many thanks about the rabbits; your letter has been sent to Balfour: he is a very clever young man, and I believe owes his cleverness to Salisbury blood. This letter will not be worth your deciphering. I have almost finished Greg's "Enigmas." (412/6. "The Enigmas of Life," 1872.) It is grand poetry--but too Utopian and too full of faith for me; so that I have been rather disappointed. What do you think about it? He must be a delightful man.
I doubt whether you have made clear how the families on the Register are to be kept pure or superior, and how they are to be in course of time still further improved.
Seems like support for the broad principle of eugenics with a lot of questions about the specifics of application to me... _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
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........."If the rise and fall of the peppered moth is one of the most visually impacting and easily understood examples of Darwinian evolution in action, it should be taught. It provides after all the proof of evolution," he said.
Criticisms of the 1950s experiments with the peppered month, carried out by the Oxford zoologist Bernard Kettlewell, came to the fore in a 2002 book by the American author Judith Hooper. Hooper's book, Of Moths and Men, suggested that the scientists at the centre of these experiments set out to prove the story irrespective of the evidence.....
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So, who said that God didn't exist? Has he finally decided that the olympics is going to be a symbol of the Greek human sacrificing heathens to be destroyed and burnt spectacularly and publicly in a 'cast into hell' like manner?
Have a look at this picture and decide for yourself.
Wall of flame threatens to engulf birthplace of the Olympic Games http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2332345.ece
John Carr in Athens
Firefighters and volunteers battled yesterday to save the birthplace of the Olympic Games from destruction as they entered the third day of devastating forest fires in southern Greece that have left at least 58 people dead.
Flames lapped at ancient Olympia, threatening the site of the original Games and a world-class museum. The luxury Amalia Hotel was evacuated in the afternoon. One by one, surrounding villages in Ilia province were engulfed by miles-long waves of flame fanned by relentless winds, sending the inhabitants fleeing. Domestic animals and possessions were abandoned to their fate. The death toll was expected to rise as many elderly people refused to be moved.
The rush to defend Olympia – involving six aircraft, two helicopters, 15 fire engines and 45 firemen – triggered complaints by one woman in nearby Nea Phigaleia. In a call to an Athens television station she shouted: “They’re protecting those old stones while leaving us to burn!” Efforts to protect the museum, which houses classical sculptures such as Hermes by Praxiteles and other finds from pagan temples and sports facilities, appeared to have been successful last night.
Seems like support for the broad principle of eugenics with a lot of questions about the specifics of application to me...
Not so much, when you take into consideration both that a) that letter was written almost 15 years after the publication of On the Origin of Species, and that certainly people have been known to become much bigger assholes in a much shorter amount of time, and b)that eugenics STILL doesn't fit in with OtOoS, considering it primarily dealt with the greater survivability of species that reproduced best, not which ones deserved it the most. It doesn't matter how much of a butt Darwin actually was or later became. _________________ "What about a dance club that only let in deaf people? It would really only need flashing lights, so they'd save a lot of money on music." - Dresden Codak
I saw some fires in Cyprus just a couple of weeks ago, its quite terrible. The only way of putting out the fires is with helicopters carryin buckets of water from the sea.
There has been no rain in Greece for months.Why? Because of chemtrails, caused by man.
"Citizens understandably want to know why their government and or certain corporations would want to perhaps cause a drought, crash the economy, keep us in a perpetual state of war, take away many of our rights, create diseases in order to profit from treatments (instead of cures) or damage the environment in other ways that would also eventually affect the perpetrators and their own families."
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:26 am Post subject:
Earlier in the thread were requests for evidence of transitional species and the theory of evolution. This video provides some examples though I am not sure of the validity. This atheist film maker clearly is however.
Link _________________ The Peoples United Collective TPUC.ORG
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject:
TmcMistress wrote:
John White wrote:
Seems like support for the broad principle of eugenics with a lot of questions about the specifics of application to me...
Not so much, when you take into consideration both that a) that letter was written almost 15 years after the publication of On the Origin of Species, and that certainly people have been known to become much bigger assholes in a much shorter amount of time, and b)that eugenics STILL doesn't fit in with OtOoS, considering it primarily dealt with the greater survivability of species that reproduced best, not which ones deserved it the most. It doesn't matter how much of a butt Darwin actually was or later became.
Yes it does... if people are looking to argue that he wasn't/did'nt... as i come across in debate with athiests a fair bit
I don't see anything desperately condeming in Darwins letter to Galton, mostly intellectual niavety, but it does give the lie to any statememnt that Darwin never considered his theory aplicable the the improvement of society by "helping along" the evolutionary process _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
the idea that on the one hand there exists a natural order, red in tooth and claw, and on the other hand there exists a divine order which is not red but white with mercy and immortality, strikes me as excessively speculative. perhaps there is only one order (spinoza's deus sive natura) and it is red, white, and black, as in certain tantras. _________________ http://niqnaq.wordpress.com
So, who said that God didn't exist? Has he finally decided that the olympics is going to be a symbol of the Greek human sacrificing heathens to be destroyed and burnt spectacularly and publicly in a 'cast into hell' like manner?
Earlier in the thread were requests for evidence of transitional species and the theory of evolution.
There is no evidence for any transitional species.
Despite over 100 million fossil records.
Even Darwin debunked his own novel before he died.
So why today are idiots today still preaching Darwin's novel?
People like Dawkins and Bill Gates for example.
Darwins novel was the basis for Hitler's genocide of inferior humans.
Darwins religion was the foundations for Pol Pot who wanted to kill superior humans.
There is no half monkey half human, there never has been and unless we screw around with hybrid dna there never will be.
Evolution is a lie.
All humans are equal.
Belief in evolution means agreement with Hitler's policies. _________________
Earlier in the thread were requests for evidence of transitional species and the theory of evolution.
There is no evidence for any transitional species.
Despite over 100 million fossil records.
Even Darwin debunked his own novel before he died.
So why today are idiots today still preaching Darwin's novel?
People like Dawkins and Bill Gates for example.
Darwins novel was the basis for Hitler's genocide of inferior humans.
Darwins religion was the foundations for Pol Pot who wanted to kill superior humans.
There is no half monkey half human, there never has been and unless we screw around with hybrid dna there never will be.
Evolution is a lie.
All humans are equal.
Belief in evolution means agreement with Hitler's policies. _________________
Earlier in the thread were requests for evidence of transitional species and the theory of evolution.
There is no evidence for any transitional species.
Despite over 100 million fossil records.
Even Darwin debunked his own novel before he died.
So why today are idiots today still preaching Darwin's novel?
People like Dawkins and Bill Gates for example.
Darwins novel was the basis for Hitler's genocide of inferior humans.
Darwins religion was the foundations for Pol Pot who wanted to kill superior humans.
There is no half monkey half human, there never has been and unless we screw around with hybrid dna there never will be.
Evolution is a lie.
All humans are equal.
Belief in evolution means agreement with Hitler's policies. _________________
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Are you seriously this ignorant, or is this really a clever ploy to drag a different response out of me?
