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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: ADL Abe Foxman: Holocaust Denier Reply with quote

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Abe Foxman: Holocaust Denier

http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/abe.htm

by Edgar J. Steele

August 27, 2007

"As long as there is someone alive who loves you, you will never die."
---Unknown

"The Jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you."
--- Polish proverb

Downloadable audio files of Abe Foxman: Holocaust Denier:
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/abe16-16.mp3
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/abe32-24.mp3
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/abe48-44.mp3

This is a test. Pay attention. Failing to do so could lead to your death.

What do the following people have in common?

Yes, indeed, they are all "pretty" people.

Give up? Abe Foxman doesn't care if they live or die. In fact, a bunch of Abe's relatives killed a bunch of theirs in one of the few bona fide holocausts that occurred in the Twentieth Century.

Murdered them. In cold blood. Exterminated. Homicide. Mass murder. Genocide. Holocaust, in other words.

What's more, Abe doesn't want you know about it. In fact, Abe is doing everything in his power to make sure you never hear about it.

What Do They Have in Common?

What do all the people in the pictures above have to do with Abe Foxman, Holocaust Denier? They are all Armenian, at least in part (from the top: Vivien Leigh, Arlene Francis, Mike Connors, Adrienne Barbeau, David Hedison ... the last four pictures are of my wife and three children, one-half and one-quarter Armenian, respectively, which is why this little matter is something I take very personally).

In 1915, over 1.5 million Armenians were massacred by Abe's relatives in Turkey. Exterminated. Homicide. Mass murder. Genocide. You know: Holocaust.

The ADL and Its Mission

Here's a picture of Abe:

(see original article)

No, he isn't very pretty, is he? Being a nasty, lying, murderous son of a bitch will do that to you, though.

Abe Foxman heads up the ADL, formally known as the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith. B'nai B'rith is Hebrew for "Brotherhood of the Chosen."

The ADL is used to covering up things. In fact, the ADL's main job is coverups, formed as it was to cover up the rape and murder of a little girl by a Jewish factory owner.

How the ADL was Formed

In Jewish Hate, the Media, and the ADL, Dr. William Pierce concisely explains why and how the ADL was formed: "The ADL was organized in 1913 by a group of rich Jews specifically as a response to a notorious child-rape and murder in Georgia. Leo Frank was a Jew who owned a pencil factory in Atlanta. In 1913, he raped and murdered one of his White female employees, 14-year-old Mary Phagan. He was tried, convicted, and sentenced to death. The governor of Georgia, in response to Jewish lobbying -- and, most believe, in response to a large Jewish bribe -- almost immediately commuted the death sentence."

Now for Something Completely Different: A Real Holocaust

So, what is the ADL covering up these days? The Armenian Holocaust of 1915, in which more than 1.5 million Armenians were murdered. You've heard the term "young Turks?" Well, it was the "Young Turks" of last century's Turkey who conducted that little piece of genocide. What does this have to do with Abe Foxman? Lots. He's related.

You see, the "Young Turks" almost exclusively were Jews who, as "Donmeh Muslims," then controlled Turkey. The Armenian Holocaust was carried out by Jews. And that is why Holocaust-Denier Abe Foxman and the ADL are trying to prevent its recognition and acknowledgment, even today. (I used a much better source than the Jewish-controlled and recently-discredited Wikipedia for "Donmeh Muslims" in my essay, Holy Holocaust, which thoroughly debunks the so-called Jewish Holocaust of WWII, but that source now has been "cleansed" from the Internet. Regrettably, I neglected to archive a copy of it.)

The Holocaust-Denying ADL

The ADL's hypocrisy about the 1915 Armenian Holocaust resulted in some mainstream headlines very recently when the Holocaust-denying ADL fired its New England regional director "after he broke ranks with national ADL leadership and said the human rights organization should acknowledge the Armenian genocide that began in 1915." (ADL local leader fired on Armenian issue, The Boston Globe, 8/18/07)

But, the ADL doesn't stop merely at refusing to acknowledge what Jews did to Armenians nearly a century, ago. No, indeed. Though daily instruction in the alleged Jewish Holocaust is mandatory in Germany (and fast becoming that in American schools), laws are being passed specifically to prevent even mentioning last century's Armenian genocide by Jews. For example, see "Turkey Wins Removal Of Armenian Genocide From German Schools," posted two years ago at ArmeniaLiberty.org.

In fact, in the State of Georgia, just as in strictly-regimented Germany and Austria, where they jail you for saying, "It was less than 6 million," it now is the law to pay obeisance to the alleged Jewish Holocaust: Georgia Title 50, 12-130.

Never Forget

I, for one, refuse to forget what Jews have done to my family. None of us ever should forget what they have done to us, time and again, down through history in Turkey, in Russia, in Poland and so many other countries, not to mention Palestine, Jerusalem and, now, in America. Those whom Jews have mass-murdered live on through our memory and 6 million Abe Foxmans never will erase that.

Furthermore, I refuse to bow down to the revisionist Jews who dare to call me a Holocaust Denier, anti-Semitic and worse for exposing their lies, their hubris, their atrocities.

In fact, I consider Abe's listing me as an "Extremist" on his ADL web site to be a compliment, one that I wear with honor.

Nor should we ever forget that it was the same Holocaust-denying Abe Foxman, who dismissed Mel Gibson's magnificent motion picture about Jesus Christ, The Passion of the Christ, as nothing more than an anti-Semitic porn snuff film. Well, on the other hand, I guess he would know, wouldn't he?

I've Got It Bad

Jews like to refer to anti-Semitism as a disease. Well, I agree. I've got it bad. I've said it before and I'm going to keep on saying it: Anti-Semitism is a disease - you catch it from Jews.

Oh, and Abe? That's Mr. Anti-Semite to you, you ... you ... you Holocaust Denier!

New America. An idea whose time has come.

My name is Edgar J. Steele. Thanks for listening. Please visit my web site, www.ConspiracyPenPal.com, for other messages just like this one.

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Copyright ©2007, Edgar J. Steele

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering how little time Eddie has for Jews and Black people, it's touching to see him so concerned about the Armenians. I wonder if they are exempt from his 'Defensive Racism'...?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clearly Eddie is a racist.
And by expressing his views he turns people away from quite legitimate debate.
I personally have never accepted the holocaust fiction we have all been fed since childhood and the purpose of people like Eddie is to act a disinformation agent.

Much in the same way that when Shayler spouts his drivel normal people are put off from questioning the lies because they associate the truthers with shayler. Questioning the holocaust is a legitimate act and people should not be put off from doing so by people like eddie.

German Environmentalist Jailed For 'Holocaust' Denial
A Well-known environmentalist Dr. Johannes Lerle, 55, was sentenced in mid-June by an Erlangen court to one year in prison for alleged "racial incitement."

Asked in an interview with the Catholic publication Kreuz (Cross) if he was a "Holocaust denier," Lerle said that such a question belongs in the realm of religion. He pointed out that while one could deny the Holy Trinity, the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection of Christ, the so- called Holocaust had become a state-mandated article of faith in which questioning of the manufacture of bars of soap and lampshades out of human tissue by the National Socialists had become a punishable offense.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly, the Armenian genocide is based on a pretty comparable evidence base to the Holocaust. With counter assertions that the Armenians were a 'threat', that they were simply being 'deported' and that some happened to die along the way, with no planned program of killing. Very familiar narrative.

"Who, after all, today speaks of the annihilation of the Armenians?" -
Adolf Hitler

One thing that always interests me is when truthers accept the testimony of firemen saying they heard explosions as gospel, yet camp survivors (Jewish and non-Jewish) are all liars. If a single government employee claimed complicity in the attacks it'd be red letter day, yet former SS officers speaking frankly about their role in the killings are deluded/tortured/liars. (You'll notice the 'revisionist' community avoids surviving SS members who were there like the plague. They tend to contradict them a lot.) No-one expects to find documentary evidence from anyone ordering 911, yet attempts to cover up systematic genocide by destroying evidence are seen as somehow dodgy or 'convenient'. Larry Silverstein saying 'pull it' is pretty damning, but ordering great big ovens with an astonishing capacity for incinerating people isn't. The PNAC document is a smoking gun, but repeated references by senior Nazis to the extermination of the Jewish race is just hearsay, and a documentary reference to a 'gassing cellar" is subjected to tortuous semantic gymnastics. Of course, phrases like "specially accomodated" applied to people who subsequently vanish are perfectly innocent. 911 is scrutinised from every conceivable 'big picture' angle, but gas chambers are a big Jewish lie to bag Israel without even bothering to mention the Roma and the disabled were gassed too; what's their commercial?

Etc.

Btw, the soap and lampshades stuff is generally not believed. IIRC, there are some who maintain limited quantities of soap were experimentally made but I think they're in a minority.
But people should not be prosecuted for 'denying genocide'.
That just leads to that tiresome 'if they've banned talking about it, we must be on to something' argument which is a logical fallacy and makes one wonder what it therefore means that trutherism is legal and inciting racial hatred isn't.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stelios wrote:
Clearly Eddie is a racist.
.


What is a racist?

Quote:
Racism is a belief or concept that inherent differences between people, in particular those upon which the concept of race is based, determine cultural or individual achievement, and may involve the idea that one's self-identified race or ethnic group or others' race or ethnic group is superior.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

In other words racism is about admitting a truth. That different races have different propensities. Racism is NOT about attacking other ethnic groups.

The biggest beneficiaries of this political correct muzzling of free speech are Jews. Racism for them is all about seige mentality (the highly successful Alex Ferguson 'them or us' dressing-room strategy for team cohesion). It is also not objectively examining the Holocaust, and crimes like USS Liberty, Lavon affair and especially 911.

Even by just one of their own definitions, they themselves are racist. They claim Jews are cleverer than everyone else.

Quote:
Ashkenazi Jews have the highest mean score of any ethnic group on standardized tests of general intelligence, with estimates ranging from 7 to 17 points above the mean IQ of the general white population


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

Then there is all this guff about 'chosen people'...

What Edgar Steele says about his book 'Defensive Racism'

Quote:
Two types of people will pick up this book because of its title:

those who support racism in some form

those who oppose racism in any form

Both will be surprised to find something here for them.

Only the true racist who hates others irrationally, based solely upon skin color, will go away empty handed.


Anyone here actually READ the thing?

http://www.defensiveracism.com/

Steele's article on the Holocaust...

Quote:
International Red Cross documents clearly show that fewer than 300,000 Jews died during WWII in all German concentration camps combined. As a race, Jews gave far fewer to the war efforts than did any other nation involved, which is why their total population increased during the war, in contrast to that of most combatants.


http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/holy.htm

As I recall UK Red Cross documents were recently released which confirmed the above statistic. It was also recently revealed that Israelis were behind Entebbe

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/865937.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/01/nhijac k01.xml

IMO the internet has this long-running cabal of controllers running scared. They are extremely dangerous now, as they have little time left to close the gates on the Goyim. Alternative truth is spreading exponentially. The tide may yet flush them out before they can pull the plug, especially if enough of their 2nd tier heirarchy realises that their entire NWO plan is itself a fraud...

Quote:
Everything in the world
is in a state of submission,
if not to man,
then to circumstances
or its own inner character,
in all cases,
to what is stronger.

And so shall we be
this something stronger
for the sake of good.


http://groups.google.com/group/comp.ai.philosophy/browse_thread/thread  /248b514230516bbd

NWO is a global eugenics program. How can so much death and destruction be 'for the best'. No - it is for the few - the secular elite that control the levers thru Zionism, Masonic lodges and all organised religions. They own the 'printing presses' and their digital counterparts (money, media). They control armed forces and police...

Quote:
we shall create and multiply free masonic lodges
in all the countries of the world,
absorb into them all
who may become or who are prominent in public activity,
for these lodges
we shall find our principal intelligence office
and means of influence.

All these lodges
we shall bring under one central administration,
known to us alone
and to all others absolutely unknown,
which will be composed of our learned elders.

The lodges
will have their representatives
who will serve to screen the above-mentioned administration
of masonry
and from whom will issue the watchword and program.

In these lodges
we shall tie together the knot
which binds together
all revolutionary and liberal elements.

Their composition
will be made up of all strata of society.

The most secret political plots
will be known to us
and fall under our guiding hands
on the very day of their conception.

Among the members of these lodges
will be almost all the agents
of international and national police
since their service is for us irreplaceable


http://groups.google.com/group/comp.ai.philosophy/browse_thread/thread  /248b514230516bbd

The above would explain why the Star of David is on the carpets of Masonic Lodges.

And Darry Bradford Smith, bosom buddy of Eric Hufschmid, recommends we GO TO THE POLICE? And TELL them about the Zionists? Just who is he working for? Remember Bollyn was on a Kibbutz, Hufschmid is related to Rupert Murdoch.

The internet is full of poison. To protect yourself from it use LOGIC, OBSERVATION, ANALYSIS. Believe nothing, especially entrenched beliefs. Double especially LEGALLY ENFORCED BELIEFS.

Enough already...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One thing that always interests me is when truthers accept the testimony of firemen saying they heard explosions as gospel, yet camp survivors (Jewish and non-Jewish) are all liars. If a single government employee claimed complicity in the attacks it'd be red letter day, yet former SS officers speaking frankly about their role in the killings are deluded/tortured/liars. (You'll notice the 'revisionist' community avoids surviving SS members who were there like the plague. They tend to contradict them a lot.) No-one expects to find documentary evidence from anyone ordering 911, yet attempts to cover up systematic genocide by destroying evidence are seen as somehow dodgy or 'convenient'. Larry Silverstein saying 'pull it' is pretty damning, but ordering great big ovens with an astonishing capacity for incinerating people isn't. The PNAC document is a smoking gun, but repeated references by senior Nazis to the extermination of the Jewish race is just hearsay, and a documentary reference to a 'gassing cellar" is subjected to tortuous semantic gymnastics. Of course, phrases like "specially accomodated" applied to people who subsequently vanish are perfectly innocent. 911 is scrutinised from every conceivable 'big picture' angle, but gas chambers are a big Jewish lie to bag Israel without even bothering to mention the Roma and the disabled were gassed too; what's their commercial?


Gods, I'm glad someone finally said it.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Larry Silverstein saying 'pull it' is pretty damning, but ordering great big ovens with an astonishing capacity for incinerating people isn't.


Is there really any solid evidence for the latter? Because..

Quote:
Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum, has admitted on film that "Krema 1," the only alleged "homicidal gas chamber" on display to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at Auschwitz, was built after the war by the Soviet Union.

In 1948, three years after the war ended, formal Allied Commissions of Inquiry concluded that nobody died of poison gas at any of the German concentration camps, a conclusion also reached by modern engineering forensics expert Fred Leuchter after extensive examination of the grounds and buildings. Leuchter lost his business, his job and his reputation simply for telling the truth about his engineering and chemical tests, many of which were repeated by Dr. Germar Rudolf, who confirmed Leuchter's results.


http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/holy.htm

Here is a scan of a 1984 Red Cross document auditing deaths in all camps



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The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people? (See Note 1).

Following the rise of Hitler there were no more than 4 million Jews at most living in areas occupied by the Third Reich at the height of its power. Yet on June 30, 1965, the West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The International Red Cross had already reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no more than 300,000 could have died, and their audit to December 31, 1984 records a total 282,077 registered deaths of all internees in all German Concentration Camps from all causes.


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to screw loose change 911-deniers tend also to be holocaust-deniers.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/07/holocaust-deniers-and-9-1 1-truth.html

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Larry Silverstein saying 'pull it' is pretty damning, but ordering great big ovens with an astonishing capacity for incinerating people isn't.


Is there really any solid evidence for the latter? Because..

Quote:
Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum, has admitted on film that "Krema 1," the only alleged "homicidal gas chamber" on display to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at Auschwitz, was built after the war by the Soviet Union.

In 1948, three years after the war ended, formal Allied Commissions of Inquiry concluded that nobody died of poison gas at any of the German concentration camps, a conclusion also reached by modern engineering forensics expert Fred Leuchter after extensive examination of the grounds and buildings. Leuchter lost his business, his job and his reputation simply for telling the truth about his engineering and chemical tests, many of which were repeated by Dr. Germar Rudolf, who confirmed Leuchter's results.


http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/holy.htm

Here is a scan of a 1984 Red Cross document auditing deaths in all camps



Quote:
The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people? (See Note 1).

Following the rise of Hitler there were no more than 4 million Jews at most living in areas occupied by the Third Reich at the height of its power. Yet on June 30, 1965, the West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The International Red Cross had already reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no more than 300,000 could have died, and their audit to December 31, 1984 records a total 282,077 registered deaths of all internees in all German Concentration Camps from all causes.


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm


*sigh*

The reconstructed chamber at Krema I is no secret. They do not, however, tell tour groups it's a reconstruction - presumably it 'ruins the magic'. Birkenau, the really nasty place, still lies in ruins and there is nothing much there except that's where the monument to the Jews is. However, to anyone engaged in studying the Holocaust this is well known. The Auschwitz museum was set up by and run by the Polish - who of course lost a lot of their own (non-Jewish) political prisoners there. So blame them.

The Allied Comission of Inquiry specifically names camps like Flossenbuerg and Dachau where it's generally thought no gassings took place (though IIRC gas chambers were found at Dachau, but it is highly controversial as to whether they were ever used). Auschwitz et al are noticably absent from the list. All the document refers to are specific instances where accounts of gassings were found to be (by those invesigators) false. Indeed, this demonstrates that actual investigations took place and were prepared to dismiss bogus accounts which, if anything, adds weight to the legitimacy of the investigations as a whole.

OTTOMH, the red cross looked at death certificates. It is well understood the Nazis bamboozled the red cross with their 'show camp' and it's also acknowledged (even by deniers) they weren't allowed near the Krema. Unsurprisingly, death certificates were not issued to those bumped off in a secretive program of genocide as opposed to those who died from 'natural causes'. What? you think Hoess would have turned round and said "Vait! you haff forgotten ze Jews ve haff gassed!"
Get real.

With the Jewish population. could you specify if we are looking at actual Jews or Jews according to Nazi definitions. E.g. Jews who had converted to Christianity were still Jews to the Nazis, as were those with a Jewish parent. This racial definition of Jewishness (curiously, the one you seem to favour) meant there were a damn sight more 'Jews' than practicing Jews in Europe.
Leucter is old hat. It's a shame he lost his livelihood, but anyone who thinks gas chambers are implausible largely on the basis the Nazis with their Jewish sonderkommandos didn't follow the same health'n'safety procedures as a modern American gas chamber (he didn't himself see the chemical results as his principal reason, btw - at least that's what he said in court) is an idiot. I would recommend watching 'Mr Death' on google video though - you do feel sorry for him. Anyway, an old but good discussion of some of his stuff can be viewed here -
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/rudolf/affweb.pdf

Now, could you tell me:
a/Why there is a complete absence of former Nazi whistleblowers, as opposed to a bunch of former camp officers who've quite blatantly (if sometimes unrepentantly) said they were there and they gassed/witnessed the gassing of/knew about the gassing of people. Ranging from men who were executed, were imprisoned or were never prosecuted at all (minor roles).
Then how they got all those Jewish and non-Jewish prisoners to lie so consistently for so many years.
b/Why did Goebbels write things like this is his diary? -
Quote:
the greater the number of Jews liquidated, the more consolidated will the situation in Europe be after this war."

Joseph Goebbels, March 6, 1942

"The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 per cent can be used for forced labor."

Joseph Goebbels, March 27, 1942

"Short shrift is made of the Jews in all eastern occupied areas. Tens of thousands of them are liquidated."

Joseph Goebbels, April 29, 1942

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/goebbels-joseph/goebbels-1948-exce rpts-01.html
c/Why they were fitting gas tight doors to the 'morgue' of Krema II and III. Remember - the nearest SS barracks are a mile and a half away if you're going to try that silly 'air raid shelter' argument.
d/Do you or do you not accept that Roma and disabled people were gassed by the Nazis? Do you accept a few Soviet POWs were gassed? Do you accept that gay people were viciously persecuted? Do you accept all camp inmates had a rather unpleasant time?
Please be wary of that utterly ridiculous Auschwitz page at Judicial if you favour the 'holiday camp' line.
e/And while your at it, you can put that Himmler speech I posted before in context; what do you think he's talking about?
http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

I'm at work now, but will maybe think of some better questions later. It occurs to me much of this denier stuff centers on looking for 'anomalies' and flinging them out with gay abandon without looking at the evidence base as a whole. See if you can fit all the existing actual evidence into your 'Jewish conspiracy' schema.

I know the critics see the 911 community as a bunch of Holocaust deniers. At JREF they use the time '911 denier' for truther sometimes. I pointed out months ago that, rightly or wrongly, all this holocaust denial stuff would get the truth movement swatted with the nazi stick, but several people had a sulky strop when I made this stultifyingly obvious observation.
As I have said before, while I DO NOT think that being a HD makes one a Nazi (sympathiser) or ant-semite, it is simply obvious why neo-Nazis and anti-semites have a vested interest in making out the Holocaust never happened.

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I was going to reply to earlier post too; apart from pointing out the obvious (a wikipedia article on Ashekenazi intelligence is a long way from proving 'they think they're more intelligent' - scores of Holocaust survivors - wrong! Wikipedia entry - right!) but Jesus...the Protocols...again....*yawn*
http://www.geocities.com/net3431/Dialogues_In_Hell.html
Plagiarism. No marks.
The hexagram is an old symbol. Masons have used it for a long time too. Since way before the Protocols were cobbled together funnily enough.

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Larry Silverstein saying 'pull it' is pretty damning, but ordering great big ovens with an astonishing capacity for incinerating people isn't.


Is there really any solid evidence for the latter? Because..


Sorry missed that.
There is a document showing a projected capacity of I think 4756 corpses per 24 hours. But they still needed to burn people in pits as well. Big typhus epidemic, that! It's from Bischoff. It's in a book at home, but I might try to find it on teh internets later. I'm surprised you're not aware of it. Deniers get into all kinds of convoluted arguments about it.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One thing that always interests me is when truthers accept the testimony of firemen saying they heard explosions as gospel, yet camp survivors (Jewish and non-Jewish) are all liars

Who calls them liars?
Nobody calls WW2 survivors liers.

Three thousand people died on 911. Aprroximately. Not 3 million.
During Hitler.s holocaust how many died and how many of them were Jewish? It is this which has been twisted by the zionist holocaust industry.
All pre war census figures. All remains and all scientific calculations prove that the six million figure is completely wrong.

Dogsmilk we have discussed this before. The number of six million is a proven lie.
What say you of the fact that prominent Jewish zionists financed Hitler and stopped Hitler from EXPELLING the Jews rather than killing them. Hitler wanted to exile the Jews and asked for a payment for each family. The zionists blocked this arangment.
You see zionists are ASKENAZI which is different from the Jews who were actually being rounded up by Hitler.
During the WW2 over 90% of the world's Rabbis were killed. Which meant that the askenazis now took over the Jewish religion and became the dominant force.
The WW2 holocaust was actually a very heinous crime but far different from that which we are all brainwashed to believe.
Hitler murdered many gays, many disabled people including his own cousins, Hitler murdered many Roma gypsies, over a million poles, slavs, etc
Jews were a small part of the holocaust. By the New York lawyers have made the Holocaust into a zionist fundraising industry.
Where is the compensation for the Gays, the disabled, the gypsies, the slavs, the Poles, etc? Why is it only the zionists living in the USA get the billions in compensation.

And clearly history has been re written. We all saw the Bosnian holocaust on TV during our lifetimes, yet even that is denied. Pol Pot's genocide.
Yet we are forced to believe as an article of faith that 6,000.000 Jews were murdered by Hitler and that their remains were somehow used to manufacture soap and glue. In many countries it is imprisonable to question what is so blatantly obviously a lie.
There were NOT 6,000,000 jews living on the whole continent of Europe before the WW2 started so how possibly could 6,000,000 have perished.

And why dont others like the gypsies who perished given the same rights as todays Jews? And it is actually Jews themselves who campaign to educate us that the holocaust is a pack of lies.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Most of the memoirs and reports [of the concentration camp survivors] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."

Samuel Gringauz, in Jewish Social Studies (New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogsmilk wrote:
I was going to reply to earlier post too; apart from pointing out the obvious (a wikipedia article on Ashekenazi intelligence is a long way from proving 'they think they're more intelligent' - scores of Holocaust survivors - wrong! Wikipedia entry - right!) but Jesus...the Protocols...again....*yawn*
http://www.geocities.com/net3431/Dialogues_In_Hell.html
Plagiarism. No marks.
The hexagram is an old symbol. Masons have used it for a long time too. Since way before the Protocols were cobbled together funnily enough.


And the flags of the 12 tribes of Israel? What are they doing in the self-same lodges? Standing on the carpets with Rothschild stars?

The Protocols resonate mightily with what has transpired in the 100+years since they were written, of that there can now be no doubt. Were they an official blueprint, or a smear attempt? Logic tells me they were indeed the blueprint, for it has been followed.

As for the Red Cross figures - you may have a point. But there is much logic to argue against such a convoluted and - quite frankly - Hollywood - holocaust. Like Steele says - why not a bullet? It looks to me like they were after dramatic effect - emotional pull. So many of the colourful horrors have been disproved the core story itself must be suspect. As any lawyer will tell you, witness testimony is weak evidence. Forensic is what proof is really all about. And here there is precious little, plus any attempt to find some is deliberately thwarted where possible. So, so much like the aftermath of 911.

As to what Goebells wrote - how firm is the proof that this diary is authentic? Perhaps (like at least some some of the Diary of Ann Frank) it was penned by another hand?

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Jan 21 - May 23, 1942 (excepting Mar 22-25, Apr 10)
February 5
The Jewish question is again giving us a headache; this time, however, not because we have gone too far, but because we are not going far enough.
February 14
The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.
February 18
...we must show them no mercy and no indulgence. This riffraff must be eliminated and destroyed.
March 6
...I am of the opinion that the greater the number of Jews liquidated, the more consolidated will the situation in Europe be after this war.
March 7
March 16
It has therefore proven necessary once again to shoot more Jews.
March 20
...the Fuehrer is as uncompromising as ever. The Jews must be got out of Europe, if necessary by applying most brutal methods.
March 27
On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated... A judgment is being visited upon the Jews that, while barbaric, is fully deserved by them.
April 14
April 20
April 27
April 29
Tens of thousands of them are liquidated.
May 11
May 15
As far as I am concerned, it would be best if we either evacuated or liquidated all eastern Jews still remaining in Paris.
Dec 7 - Dec 20
December 13
At bottom, however, I believe both the English and the Americans are happy that we are exterminating the Jewish riff-raff.
December 14
Jewry must pay for its crime just as our Fuehrer prophesied in his speech in the Reichstag; namely, by the wiping out of the Jewish race in Europe and possibly in the entire world.
December 15
December 18
December 19
December 20
Mar 1 - Mar 20, 1943
March 2
We are now definitely pushing the Jews out of Berlin. ... On the Jewish question, especially, we have taken a position from which there is no escape.
March 6
March 9
...[Hitler] approved of my measures and specifically ordered me to make Berlin entirely free of Jews.
March 11
March 15
...[Hitler] ordered me not to cease or pause until no Jew is left anywhere in Germany.
Apr 9 - May 28 (excepting May 2-6)
April 17
April 18
April 25
It is high time that we evacuate the Jews just as quickly as possible from the General Government.
May 8
You just cannot talk humanitarianism when dealing with Jews. Jews must be defeated.
May 10
May 11
May 13
There is therefore no other recourse left for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew....


Rather indiscreet, this Goebbels don't you think?

More digging...

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Older biographies have been rendered obsolete by the discovery of the complete Goebbels Diaries in the Moscow archives in 1992.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

So the diary was 'discovered' by the Soviet Union - whose Jewish masters would not, by any chance, have had a vested interest in propping up their holo-cost mind-control, empire building and money making scheme, would they? Same team that forged a whole gas chamber...

And finally - as for *yawn*. If what I write bores you so much why even respond? Let it wither on the vine...

Truth will out. With or without us. Now we have the levelling playing field called the internet.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stelios wrote:
Dogsmilk wrote:

One thing that always interests me is when truthers accept the testimony of firemen saying they heard explosions as gospel, yet camp survivors (Jewish and non-Jewish) are all liars

Who calls them liars?
Nobody calls WW2 survivors liers.

Three thousand people died on 911. Aprroximately. Not 3 million.
During Hitler.s holocaust how many died and how many of them were Jewish? It is this which has been twisted by the zionist holocaust industry.
All pre war census figures. All remains and all scientific calculations prove that the six million figure is completely wrong.

Dogsmilk we have discussed this before. The number of six million is a proven lie.
What say you of the fact that prominent Jewish zionists financed Hitler and stopped Hitler from EXPELLING the Jews rather than killing them. Hitler wanted to exile the Jews and asked for a payment for each family. The zionists blocked this arangment.
You see zionists are ASKENAZI which is different from the Jews who were actually being rounded up by Hitler.
During the WW2 over 90% of the world's Rabbis were killed. Which meant that the askenazis now took over the Jewish religion and became the dominant force.
The WW2 holocaust was actually a very heinous crime but far different from that which we are all brainwashed to believe.
Hitler murdered many gays, many disabled people including his own cousins, Hitler murdered many Roma gypsies, over a million poles, slavs, etc
Jews were a small part of the holocaust. By the New York lawyers have made the Holocaust into a zionist fundraising industry.
Where is the compensation for the Gays, the disabled, the gypsies, the slavs, the Poles, etc? Why is it only the zionists living in the USA get the billions in compensation.

And clearly history has been re written. We all saw the Bosnian holocaust on TV during our lifetimes, yet even that is denied. Pol Pot's genocide.
Yet we are forced to believe as an article of faith that 6,000.000 Jews were murdered by Hitler and that their remains were somehow used to manufacture soap and glue. In many countries it is imprisonable to question what is so blatantly obviously a lie.
There were NOT 6,000,000 jews living on the whole continent of Europe before the WW2 started so how possibly could 6,000,000 have perished.

And why dont others like the gypsies who perished given the same rights as todays Jews? And it is actually Jews themselves who campaign to educate us that the holocaust is a pack of lies.


Only a few very courageous Jews have run the 'self-hating' gauntlet to challenge the Holohoax. Many more I suspect know but are scared to say in public. The anti-Zionist Jews do not challenge either the Talmud or the Holocaust, only Israel and its policies towards the Palestinians etc. Far as I know, anyway.

PS So many times I read Goyim = Cattle. The other side claim it means (literally) nation (of gentiles I presume) and is not perjorative. Where did the cattle thing come from?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stelios - if you'd actually read my post you'd understand why census figures do not reflect the true total of 'Jews' in Europe. A Jew who becomes a Christian will regard themselves as a Christian. But the Nazis thought otherwise. I'm curious as to your assertion that the zionists blocked the expelling of Jews - they had something of a common cause - i.e. get 'em out of Germany - and I have yet to see evidence Zionists financed Hitler. The last time I asked you about this, you listed a string of totally unrelated texts. I think you might be confusing Himmler's demand regarding Hungarian Jews, I dunno. I agree with what you say about the other victims. As far as I'm concerned, all are equal and I've said before I think the Holocaust is politically manipulated, which is a separate issue.
To say the Holocaust is a matter of faith is simply preposterous. Please explain how the evidence base for the Holocaust is wildly less solid than that for, say, the Armenian genocide.
AS for who's calling them liars - well if former Jewish sonderkommandos say they were dragging bodies out of the gas chambers and burning them, yet you're saying it never happened, you are pretty much saying they're lying yourself, aren't you?

What Rowan cited I also tend to somewhat agree with. The line itself appears to be discussing a literary tendency as opposed to saying such accounts are inevitably factually false. Fortunately, survivor testimony is generally not taken in isolation and, in the methodology employed routinely elsewhere, is checked against other testimony, physical evidence etc.
That said, I'm always suspicious of these one line quotes, particularly concerning a journal article I can't check. I've read nuff 'quotes' from Holocaust historians that, seen in context, take on a whole new meaning. That one from Yehuda Bauer springs to mind here. Perhaps you could sum up the entire article or quote a full paragraph? Have you read it, or just found that line in isolation on the internet like I just did?
E.g.
http://www.historiography-project.org/satire/satire.html
Please don't anyone try to raise anything they've read on that website. I've just been reading it and it's like being stuck in a room with a first year undergraduate who's trying to be all clever.

Rodin - even David Irving agrees that diary is genuine. If there was any hint it wasn't, Max Weber would be all over it. Weirdly, people tend to be indiscreet in their personal diary. Some people even talk about shagging'n'stuff. Stop assuming things that don't fit your belief system are fakes.
I assume you believe the Himmler audio is a fake, too. To believe otherwise would be the enemy of your 'truth'.

Can you name which Jews have challenged the 'holohoax'? I mean people that were there. So David Cole doesn't count. Though, it has to be said, he was easily my fave denier. Aren't you just a bit curious as to why all these poor, framed nazis aren't being wheeled out by Ernst Zundel? Are you not a bit surprised that some of them have spoken out to say the deniers are talking *? Shall I get you some quotes?
OTTOMH there are about 3 people who were there who've 'challenged' the Holocaust - like that guy who visited Auschwitz a couple of times and didn't happen see anything bad going down at the time. Quality testimony.

They carried on using bullets as well if need be. However, for mass killing, surprisingly enough, spending half a day mowing down women and children tends to get to be 'a bit much' after a time. The Nazis were, after all, human beings. Not to mention ammunition is expensive and shooting people isn't that efficient where large numbers are involved. Mind you, there were of course roving killing squads that shot a lot of people. Do you dispute that?
The evolution of T4 tells us much as to how killing people can be dressed up in a sanitary (and in that instance) quasi-'medicalised' fashion.

As for this twelve tribes stuff - I dunno - I dunno if they do have the 'twelve tribes' or a bunch of archetypal pictures of lions and stuff that looks like it could be. Frankly, I don't care. I don't even know what Rothchild stars are.

But really - 'Jewish masters of the Soviets' - as the saying goes, you couldn't make it up. That you go round thinking that people having a Jewish first cousin twice removed or whatever means you're part of some secret cabal that somehow is plotting and running everything without anyone but you and a few other people on the internet ever noticing, on the basis of a selection of dodgy websites is quite possibly the most bonkers idea I have ever heard. Mind you, it worked for Hitler (except he had dodgy pamphlets only)Though bizarrely I owe you in particular for a burgeoning interest in the Holocaust and the second world war in general - thanks for that. I enjoy learning.

I was going to post some more exciting posers about the Holocaust to fox you with, but I think it is about as futile as trying to get Stelios to consider taking up satanism. You can't argue with evangelists.

Blind obsession with Jews is the enemy of truth.

oh yeah - I noticed you totally avoided this -

c/Why they were fitting gas tight doors to the 'morgue' of Krema II and III. Remember - the nearest SS barracks are a mile and a half away if you're going to try that silly 'air raid shelter' argument.
d/Do you or do you not accept that Roma and disabled people were gassed by the Nazis? Do you accept a few Soviet POWs were gassed? Do you accept that gay people were viciously persecuted? Do you accept all camp inmates had a rather unpleasant time?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rodin - even David Irving agrees that diary is genuine.


David Irving is a gatekeeper

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If there was any hint it wasn't, Max Weber would be all over it.


Don't know anything about him. Should I?

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I assume you believe the Himmler audio is a fake, too. To believe otherwise would be the enemy of your 'truth'.
'

You have me there. I will look into this when I have time and have consumed less wine.

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Can you name which Jews have challenged the 'holohoax'?


There seem to be less than I thought. I wonder what they said to Cole?

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If Cole means what he says in his letter, then this is a great transformation. It is also evidence of the power of the Jewish Defense League."


http://www.jdl.org/action/action/cole_letter.shtml

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As for this twelve tribes stuff - I dunno - I dunno if they do have the 'twelve tribes' or a bunch of archetypal pictures of lions and stuff that looks like it could be. Frankly, I don't care. I don't even know what Rothchild stars are.


Twelve tribes of Israel in Masonic lodge. Yes. For sure. There are pictures. And you know so much detail - yet not what the Rothschild star is?

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But really - 'Jewish masters of the Soviets' - as the saying goes, you couldn't make it up.


I am not making it up. The oligarchs that looted Russia with Yeltsin's acquiescence are also Jewish, same as Marx, Lenin, Engels were etc. Stalin and his Jewish wives. Probably a Crypto. When Khordokovsky (sp) got fingered for Yukos he sent his loot to the safekeeping of Rothschild in Israel.

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Blind obsession with Jews is the enemy of truth.


Agreed.

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oh yeah - I noticed you totally avoided this - c/Why they were fitting gas tight doors to the 'morgue' of Krema II and III. Remember - the nearest SS barracks are a mile and a half away if you're going to try that silly 'air raid shelter' argument.
d/Do you or do you not accept that Roma and disabled people were gassed by the Nazis? Do you accept a few Soviet POWs were gassed? Do you accept that gay people were viciously persecuted? Do you accept all camp inmates had a rather unpleasant time?


I have not looked into any of this in detail yet. No point in voicing an opinion until I do.



That 6 million was to fulfil a Talmudic 'prophecy'. So they could found Israel.

More about soap ( now know who Mark Weber is)

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Holocaust/jewish_so ap.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly, in relation to the Protocols - you call them a 'blueprint', but they're just a big collection of propositions concerning a very generalised plan to 'control everything'. You appear to be trying to make out such ideas had never been heard before. But what do you think of the close similarity to the earlier dialogues? By your reckoning, surely they must be a 'blueprint'?
Quite why these secret controller Jews would be making their plans for world domination in a series of very generalised maxims is beyond me.

I am curious as to why you regard David Irving as a 'gatekeeper'. Whatv do you base this assertion on? He's not Jewish is he?

I'm surprised you'd never come across Max Weber before. He's very clever and has great skill at twisting history to fit his theses. He runs the IHR which is where you get the 'best' revisionist stuff - I.e. it dresses itself up in an academic style and they really know how to selectively quote sources. Weber is linked to the far right, as was Willis Carto who started the IHR. They hate Jews, deny the holocaust and constantly try to whitewash Hitler - you'd love them.

Regarding the soap article

Funnily enough, I think it is entirely plausible Cole was 'leaned on'. Though there is no real evidence either way. His letter does read as a bit 'prepared' though. The JDL/ADL are rather unsavoury zealots who I personally have no time for. It's almost a shame - he spoke way too frankly about the far right atmosphere in denier circles in interviews, said some juicy stuff about Weber and spent half his time debunking Faurisson who he had a big spat with. He said some quite sensible things about historians getting too up themselves. Given he was such a maverick in denier circles, I'm kind of surprised you don't regard him as an agent who was recalled. Mind you, he wasn't the only one. Jean-Claude Pressac was a former colleague of Faurrison who realised this denier stuff is arse and went on to write a book about Auschwitz.

Some website was saying the RS is the hexagram. New on me that. I don't know much about the Rothchilds - rich ( business) people are generally c*nts and that's that. I have never researched the masons and until I do so thoroughly I am largely agnostic as to exactly how far their malevolence extends beyond getting away with being caught speeding.

Was Engels Jewish? Actually, realistically, were any of them? How often did they visit the synagogue? How's Stalin 'crypto' then?
See all this stuff looks to me very much like making facts fit a pre-conceived notion.

The Protocols of the Exasperation of Dogsmilk

1/Find any hint of Jewishness. In the blood. Stated religious beliefs are irrelevant. Being Jewish is a strange hereditary trait and is enough to implicate one in the 'conspiracy'.

2/Assume this means membership of a secret cabal if a/the person has any power, influence or prestige whatsoever or b/if it suits the current argument.

3/Assume these people orchestrate world domination towards a specific goal in some cases without ever having met or corresponded. Be sure to be vague on the details of how this works.

4/Scour the internet for anything that a/hints in any way someone of note is a Jew. Even if you don't need them to be a Jew now, it may be necessary to denounce them as a Jew later. b/Anything that implicates Jews in doing bad things or suggests 'connections'. I.e. an obscure article from 1919 that happens to mention '6 million' and 'holocaust' together may be made to look somehow 'significant. This was either a lucky find for a 'researcher' or brought to you by some deranged bigot in Arizona who spends all their time looking through archives to find 'evidence' and stick it on the net, so don't waste it. Concentrating enough random yet 'suggestive' evidence in one place is a good idea, or post a link if someone has done it for you. In 1942, the captured Soviet Kharkov ballet were made to perform for German troops - Swan lake. This performance uncannily captured a conjunction of two highly relevant contemporary code-names - Siegfried (original name of Operation Blue) and Rothbart (German equivalent of Barbarossa). Coincidence? Ask yourself this - does it involve Jews? If so - no. If not - yes.

5/Ensure your allegations are vague. Too many specific details may prove troublesome. Vague unsubstantiated references to 'global eugenics programs' or 'the plan to eliminate half the population of the world' work well here.
Caution! Try to avoid bringing up the actual eugenics program implemented by the Nazis here as you are then perilously close to admitting the Nazis gassed people, Aryans at that, which undermines your mandatory dismissal of the Holocaust and optional gentle suggestions that Hitler wasn't such a bad chap.

6/Non Jews who contradict your hypothesis are shills, gatekeepers, agents, crypto Jews and poor deluded saps.

7/Non Jews in significant positions are -
a/Crypto-Jews
b/Working for the Jews
c/Make them appear to be surrounded by Jews so their non-Jewishness appears less relevant.
d/Referring to e.g. 'Jewish wives' can make it look like there is a 'Jew connection'. Whatever you do, don't try to explain how this actually works in terms of the person in question being 'controlled'. Try to avoid detail. If, for example, your Jewish wife turns out to be an uneducated peasant, you may have difficulty carrying your argument forward. Though vague allusions to 'plans', 'plants' and 'there are no coincidences' may be useful.
But Remember - your 'Jewish connections' can never be too tenuous!. Better a vague reference to a Jewish great uncle than no Jew at all!

8/Important! Though all Jews think the same and may generally be regarded as 'in on it' whenever it is prudent to do so, you are allowed a quota of 'good Jews'. This is useful for -
a/Maverick Jews who say things you like. Henry Makow is a good example here. These people are especially useful - because they are Jewish, a strange magic means their statements carry great weight. Remember protocol 1/ - no Judaic practice is required.
b/Nobodies. Poor working class Jews, or even obscure middle class Jews are difficult to implicate in global conspiracies. An occasional focus on how some Jews are in the same boat as the 'goy' is useful to deflect allegations of anti-semitism and avoids the inconvenience of trying to explain how that Jewish guy who works in Tescos is 'in on it'.
c/Jews who may generally regarded as evil cabalists may also be selectively quote mined as is prudent. Pointing out such-and-such said this and they're a Jew! can be even more useful than using your 'maverick Jews'. 'Maverick Jews' may have little influence beyond a small following on the internet and may well be deranged (see Makow). Respectable Jews lend a credence worth its weight in gold, though be careful of people becoming aware of what they actually said in any detail. Big banners displaying juicy quotes in bold type on websites are good here. Mention it quick and move on before anyone tries to look further. Non-Jewish academics of high standing are also permitted in this area.

9/Anything is doubtful, prone to be faked or planted. Unless it involves showing Jews to be the scoundrels they are.

10/Try to play up the actual religious aspect of Judaism where you can find negatives. For example, any references to Jews as 'chosen people' can easily be nurtured to portray Jews as megalomaniacs bent on subjugating the world to their will. Ignore inconvenient broader musings - the distinctly Judeo-Christian moral framework you will likely hold yourself for example.
Feign ignorance regarding any other religious groups regarding themselves as 'chosen'. Try not to let your dancing between Jewishness as a racial quality and Jewishness as a religion trip you up.

11/Things Jews are responsible for:
a/911.
b/The Holocaust (making it up).
c/Hitler not liking them as they brought that on themselves (Jews always bring it on themselves, so you can tailor this to any pogrom in any historical period of your choice.)
d/The second world war
e/Germany losing the 1st world war
f/Communism
g/Big business (be careful here - see 12/)
h/Usury, banking and economic exploitation in any form
i/Drug abuse
j/The 'spread' of homosexuality (many of your sources will be rather 'conservative'. To the brainwashed liberal masses, examples such as this may not achieve the desired moral outrage, so be selective in their use)
k/Pornography
l/They killed Jesus
m/7/7
n/Iraq and Middle East Conflict in General
o/Newcastle's poor performance last season
p/GCSEs getting easier
q/Organised crime
r/Terrorism - remember, MOSSAD are ubiquitous and any business run by Israelis/based in Israel/has a regional office in Israel/has an employee who knows an Israeli he occasionally goes to the pub with is a MOSSAD front. MOSSAD are behind every terror attack undertaken anywhere and any Israeli within ten miles of any incident is a suspect. Try to repeat the 'By way of deception' maxim as often as possible. Don't give people time to reflect it basically applies to the modus operandi of any intelligence service on the planet. If this is pointed out, try suggesting MOSSAD controls every intelligence service on the planet.
s/A vague, ill defined plan to kill half of us and enslave the rest
t/The EU
u/Paedophiles and all other forms of paraphilia
v/Intrusive telesales calls
w/The Armenian genocide
x/Slavery
y/All secret societies as they control them
z/The inevitability of death
aa/Immigration
bb/The lying media (note - any article that can be used against Jews is, however, certainly true
cc/TV being all repeats, the inexplicable popularity of my family and the axeing of top of the pops (direct consequences of Jewish control of the media)
dd/Socialism
ee/Prostitution
ff/Cancer not being cured yet
gg/Bird flu
hh/The creeping privatisation of the NHS
ii/Satanism
jj/War
kk/Famine
ll/Pestilence
mm/(if it's real) Global warming / (if it isn't) Inventing global warming
nn/The Kennedy assassination
oo/The death of that Diana woman
pp/The cold war
qq/Crop circles
rr/Cruelty to animals
ss/UFOs
tt/Ghosts
uu/Chronic back pain
vv/Any 911 theory that doesn’t explicitly implicate Jews
ww/Any war with Iran that happens
xx/Foot and mouth
yy/Dutch elm disease
zz/The common cold
aaa/AIDS
bbb/The murder of Jill Dando
ccc/Rigging strictly come dancing, allowing media Jewess Natasha Kaplinsky to win.



12/At all costs, avoid systemic analyses of social and political systems. For starters, you want to rail against big business and 'pyramidal systems' whilst simultaneously keeping hold of broader notions of capitalism and inevitable economic disparity. For the big business stuff, the Nazis provide some valuable insights in walking that tightrope. Secondly, if you see capitalism as a system, this clearly indicates it operates independantly of a specific 'racial' group - it makes it therefore difficult to blame its consequences on the Jews. You therefore need to ensure discussion is limted to malign plotters turning the wheels by hand as opposed to a blind behemoth that exists simnply because society as a whole chooses to believe in it. If in doubt, simply denounce contradictory analyses as the products of 'controlled opposition'.

13/All opposition that does not understand that Jews control the world is controlled. It is controlled because it does not understand that Jews run the world. We know Jews run the world because all the opposition that says otherwise is controlled.

14/Remember, Israel is Jewish. Getting too distracted by Zionism will lead to incorrect beliefs that Jews are heterogenous like everyone else on the planet. Try to stick to referring to Israelis as 'the Jews', only reverting to 'Zionism' when you need to.

15/You will find much milage in the Israeli treatment of Palestine. The mind controlled puppets of the Jews nevertheless frequently manage to observe that an illegal and violent occupation is in progress. It is therefore an ideal opportunity to frame this away from a manifestation of oppressive state power as repeated throughout history to the Worst Thing That Ever Happened in History which is entirely down to the Jews. The Jews may say the Holocaust is The Worst Thing That Ever Happened in History, but the fact they are lying about that which makes it all ten times worse. Any other atrocities being perpetrated around the world are incomparable to Palestine unless they can be framed in relation to 16/
People frequently manage to draw the distinction between a state and its populace. For example, most people are able to distinguish between the the American people and the run-amok policies of its administration. Same with the UK. Or Zimbabwe. And so on. With Israel, this is to be avoided at all costs.
Remember! Jews- they're all the same really!
(except you might want to go on about Ashekenazis a bit - that allows you to include them old time Jews with your good Jews. You may run into problems here trying to simultaneously allege Jews have been doin' evil for at least 2000 years).

16/The Jews control America. This is essential as America is the world's sole superpower and its hideous foreign policy record gives all kinds of atrocity milage if you can blame America's record of torture, illegal invasions and killing civilians on the Jews. Just keep tracking down in relation to 1/. After a steady barrage of increasingly tenuous 'revelations' regarding the 'Jewishness' of prominent Americans, your audience will hopefully believe America consists mostly of Jews. Except for the honest hardworking all-American Joes they control.

17/Try moaning about how Jews/'exterminationists' only go on about Jewish deaths in the Holocaust, then whenever you go on about the Holocaust (as in deny it as a filthy lie), only talk about it in terms of Jews. This stimulates the opposition to talk about Jews in order to provide counter arguments. This can then allow you to carry on accusing them of talking about only Jews in relation to the Holocaust.

18/Try pitching the right 'information' to the right audience. JudicialInc will serve well the demographic ranging from drooling imbeciles to those who simply read whatever they see and believe it, no questions asked. Iamthewitness picks up here. Alan Watt chucks in anything and everything and is only making it up/citing stuff someone else made up some of the time. His calm, reflective demenour detracts from his regular forays into the domain of unadulterated bibble. David Icke is also an option at this point, though this must be accompanied by a dogged insistence he's really talking about Jews (irrespective of how many times he himself says he isn't) - the last thing you need is for people to start believing in actual lizard men. For those who want a more 'academic' gloss, you may wish to try the IHR or Adelaide Institute. Having a long and distinguished experience of casting a particular spin on genuine sources, these constitute the 'cryptic crossword' in the world of Making Jews Look Bad. Stormfront is always on hand for comic relief and serves much as old Bethlam Hospital did, though you can laugh at the lunatics from the comfort of your own home. Though surfing such sites obviously gets you on a 'list'. One, of course, compiled by Jews.

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Mark Weber, dear boy - not 'Max'
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Oh yeah - I do tend to get names mixed up a lot. Still - close!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sure they nobbled Newcastle?

Quite funny post.

Irving is a limited hangout denier. Whether leaned on or plant I don't know.

Do you think some organisation (any organisation) is running the planet outside of the ken of so called democratic society? Or do you think that its just a bunch of greedy people with common interest loosely co-operating? Or what is your explanation of

1) Global 911 cover-up
2) Apollo hoax & cover up
3) True reason for inflation global cover-up

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You sure they nobbled Newcastle?

Quite funny post.

Irving is a limited hangout denier. Whether leaned on or plant I don't know.

Do you think some organisation (any organisation) is running the planet outside of the ken of so called democratic society? Or do you think that its just a bunch of greedy people with common interest loosely co-operating? Or what is your explanation of

1) Global 911 cover-up
2) Apollo hoax & cover up
3) True reason for inflation global cover-up


I am intrigued as to why you think Irving is a limited hangout. I press the issue because I'm curious as to why you think he's dodgier than the others. His reason for deciding to sail down de nile at the moment he did is distinctly implausible, but I've always assumed he made a bad call in his obvious desire for fame and notoriety. He has, nevertheless, given the denier cause a lot of publicity and he is generally witty and articulate, despite getting totally crucified in court (And from the transcripts of the Lipstadt trial at least, that's not just the judge being tight. Of course I think he's flogging a dead horse anyway, but his actual performance didn't live up to his own hype at all).

I have checked with a colleague who is utterly devoted to Newcastle and they assure me their lamentable performance last season can only be due to malevolent puppeteering behind the secnes. They, however, feel it was the work of the Jesuits.

I suspect there is a complex arrangement of different groups and individuals that forge alliances and make enemies at different times. I tend to see the institution of global capitalism as an unfortunate beast that locks people into a surreal world of serving a contruction of their own making that exists only to consume vast resources to vomit out endless tat. In the basic equation of the human need for food, shelter, clothing and the self-fulfillment of leisure, art and recreational activities, we expend endless labour in ultimatly pointless endeavours like accountancy, marketing, advertising, banking etc. Items are built with an in-built shelf life determined by the dictates of fashion, engineered obsolescence and poor production standards. There is no reason a good table shouldn't last your entire life. A light bulb should last years. Clothes should last years. Yet we consume endlessly in devotion to the idol of eternal economic growth, lest the economic edifice come crashing down around us, polluting the planet and running round doing alienating jobs to pay for it all. But on top of this idiot clockwork, I think those at the top think of it all as a big chess board or opportunity to double what they have which is already more than anyone could ever use. But I don't think they're 'the Jews' (though some of them are) or 'the illuminati' as such - I think it's a mixed bag of old money, new money, the ruthless and the lucky. Frighteningly, plain old other humans with probably no more raw intelligence than the checkout girl who last served you in a supermarket.Sometimes they get on, sometimes they fall out. Empires come, empires go, though technology raises the stakes ever higher.
The media isn't 'controlled' - it's just populated with people who tend to support the current status quo and the extent to which you reject it will adversely affect your chance for success. The system will tolerate many Bruce Andersons but few John Pligers who (though I'm not questioning his integrity or importance) caters for the 'alternative', 'leftfield' demographic. See, I don't think the opposition is controlled, I think it is appropriated. The market can sustain x amount of 'radical' consumer goods. With accompanying merchandise. As long as the status quo isn't threatened it doesn't matter. And it is increasingly difficult to undermine the global status quo as things become ever more intricate. A few weeks without fuel and we would have mass starvation. We now depend on the status quo. No-one did that, it is a logical consequence of a global market. RFID tagging won't just be some Orwellian nightmare - for the average consumer it will be a shoppers dream. Relevant targeted advertising, cashless convenience, always knowing where your kids are. If you play ball and know your place, you truly have nothing to fear but work on Monday. Fighting it won't be an option, because it will be f*cking impossible. They won't turn your chip off. They won't need to. You can't overthrow something your entire economic existence will depend on. Same with all the other nonsense they throw at us. But with this example, I am trying to say that it isn't a 'master plan', it's just a very rational utilisation of technology to make money and keep political order. No big conspiracy just, from a certain perpective, common sense.
And if you've never known anything different, you won't much care. Apart from that strange empty feeling. Until the day it all comes crashing down because one power bloc feels it's time to go for broke.
In the meantime, make money. Buy more stuff. Watch advertising breaks with a genuine interest - ooh! I need that! Resent 'scroungers'. Despise immigrants, imagine leaving your familiar way of life to go to a strange country is done just to spite you and don't think twice about becoming an ex-pat yourself. Taking their jobs.
The world would be so much better if you were in charge - exactly what they thought before they got there. Lets hound the criminals from their board rooms and palaces so we can occupy them for ourselves. Then close the gates to keep the riff-raff out.
My perspective is actually probably bleaker than yours, because I think it's just...regular people. Like you and me. Doing their job.
At any rate, 'democracy' is just a word. Casting a single vote among thousands once every 4-5 years to elect a single representative among 500, who cannot do what they want if the whip is invoked and they value their career and ambitions (they do), from a party under no obligation to stand by the platform under which they were elected...well it's hardly participatory is it? Oh, and they'll lock you up or kill you to protect 'national security'. Or start wars they won't fight in...etc. You know the drill.
Real democracy would mean having a genuine say in running your community, your workplace, the institutions that impact your life. Real democracy would bypass leaders. Only sheep need a leader.
Our current democracy is a safety valve to help us feel involved. But, if you play the game, you could go into politics yourself. Just leave your integrity at the door on the way in. It is an institution. It serves those who run it, so it persists. Again, it's not created by some Jews in a room, it evolved, it works (for the 'right' people), it stays. The faces change, but the place remains the same.

There are far less 'controversial' areas than 'conspiracy theories' that are easily subject to (something like a) 'global cover-up'. For example, it is pretty much common knowledge that Iraq was based on flagrant lies and that war crimes were committed. The reports from Fallujah are incredibly shocking. People were hanged at Nuremburg for less. Yet, this knowledge kind of floats around and the mass media are rather woolly. This isn't a big, orchestrated cover up. It's just the institution of the media operating exactly as Chomsky described twenty years ago. The media doesn't need controlling, it does it itself. It's people just wanting to get on with their shopping. It's people not wanting to believe we might be the bad guys. That we tacitly support it, pay for it, let it happen, send our children to do it. You can find this stuff out easily enough, but what you gonna do about it? Revolt? On Big Brother final night?
For 911, this is also a 'conspiracy theory'. No-one, hand on heart, can say they know exactly what happened (except, of course...). Round here, they can't even agree if there were actual planes or not. I got into this stuff as a fencesitter and with the bewildering array of competing theories and 'facts' of varying degrees of reliabilty, though I'm pretty convinced there is much rather rum about the whole affair, frankly I'm more confused than ever.
The conspiracy theory tag serves as a powerful additional force to make the notion not get taken seriously in the first place. The cavalier, devil-may-care approach to putting across 'the facts' you get in many of the available 'resources', where perfectly reasonable points are mixed in with absolute clangers doesn't help here (see e.g. Alex Jones for further info. Alex Jones is weird. I never thought a traditional conservative capitalist, of the daily mail variety in English money, could flail around being ostensibly so radical. It's as incongruous as Polly Toynbee trying to act like Che Guevara).
911 isn't being covered up in terms of investigation. You can research it all you like. You can read what you like. You can even interview witnesses. Presumably, if someone found out something too interesting they may have a nasty fall or it may just be drowned out in the static.
In terms of actual cover up by perpetrators, then anything a hypothetical world dominating Jewish cabal can do, the US military/industrial complex can do just as well.

I know b* all about the moon landings. I subscribe to a default position of generally superficially accepting they occurred as a matter of everyday convenience simply because, though I know theories challenging this exist, I have given them scant attention and am not about to go round saying they might not have occurred without being able to say why/having concrete grounds to think they didn't
To be honest, I've never found that subject grabs my interest.
But again, you don't need Jews to cover it up.

I am unsure exactly what you are referring to with the latter point. There are a few theories about inflation and I don't know what you regard as 'the truth'. And I have never got round to watching 'the money masters'.
As long as it's none of that Milton Friedman nonsense!

By the way - thanks for taking my, in places a bit cutting, protocols in good humour. Respect. I think I got a bit carried away as I was enjoying myself writing it.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hufschmid is related by marriage to Rupert Murdoch. However, if he is disinfo, to be successful he must supply 90-99% legit info. I still have not made my mind up aboput Hufschmid. But I am pretty sure about Irving..

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David Irving has been standing up to the Zionists for decades. He was investigating the Holocaust when doing so was considered as disgusting as wearing a Nazi uniform in public. Not surprisingly, a warrant for David Irving's arrest had been issued in Austria in 1989. As you would expect, Irving avoided Austria.

During the past year, however, millions of people around the world have decided to investigate the Holocaust. David Irving and the other Holocaust investigators were finally getting the support they had been struggling so hard to develop.

For reasons only Irving knows, he decided to travel to Austria. He was arrested on 11 November 2005 on that 1989 warrant.

Irving's arrest attracted attention around the world. Millions of people were soon asking each other how someone could be arrested for investigating an historical event. People who never doubted the Holocaust were wondering what was going on. Irving was getting a lot of publicity.

In case you don't know it, the Zionists are in control of the media, so it is very difficult for somebody with anti-Zionist information to get publicity. Therefore, David Irving's trial was a dream come true for a Holocaust investigator.

David Irving was given a tremendous opportunity to explain himself to the world. He could explain to the world that it is absurd for governments to pass laws to restrict investigation of historical events. He could also show us what his investigation of World War II has uncovered.

However, within two weeks of his arrest, he began reversing his opinions about the Holocaust, and on 20 February, he pleaded guilty to denying the Holocaust.


http://www.erichufschmid.net/HoloHoax/DavidIrvingHoax.html

If the media were not controlled the world would know about WTC7 and all that its freefall symmetrical collapse implies. As Scotty said, ye canna change the laws of physics. But you can choose to ignore them...

The truth has a D-Notice on it. Of that I have no doubt. I believe WTC was demolished, because I can PROVE it. And so can people in the media.

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http://www.cwporter.com/letter29a.htm

The above is part of an interesting site. The researcher certainly seems to plough a furrow that does not try to fit any belief system, but instead analyses evidence. He believes, for example, that Leo Frank was innocent. He points out the lack of any evidence (apart from 'witness testimony') at all for the Holocaust. He also attacks Skunk's site, which appears to be very popular, as disinfo.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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4/Scour the internet for anything that a/hints in any way someone of note is a Jew. Even if you don't need them to be a Jew now, it may be necessary to denounce them as a Jew later.


You argue all these 'Jewish' issues from the assumption that people who raise them are anti-semitic in the first place and merely seek out wild and unconnected facts and documents to justify this loathsome predisposition.

This subtly alleged charge of anti-semitism is Zionism (and Jewry's) way of undermining criticism and intimidating people against raising fair questions and making fair comment.

I had no issues with anything Jewish until I was almost shocked out of my skin by the evidence of controlled demolition of the towers on 9/11.

From there my own research followed many routes but one was the obvious line to PNAC, to Zionism to the history of Zionism.

I wondered in amazement how the shocking and indisputable evidence of 9/11 relating to free-fall speeds, Building 7, molten metal, witness testimony of explosions etc., etc. was being kept so effectively out of the public domain both here and in the US.

It is impossible not to notice that almost every major TV station and major newspaper has a Jewish person or persons at the top. It is impossible not to notice the completely disproportionate Jewish influence over many other important aspects of our public life including business and politics.

I am a secondary schoolteacher. The head of Ofsted and the government's education 'tsar' are both Jewish. Secondary education, by the way, is afflicted by blizzards of superficially well-meaning policies that produce (deliberately in my view) precisely the opposite of their stated aims. Education is the one thing that is not improved by all these policies.

However the true aim of the system, in my view, is increasing control and intimidation of the poor saps within that system. The government achieve this objective very successfully indeed........for the moment anyhow.

I live in a society that is controlled by wicked liars.

I know this.

If we notice that the contribution of rich Zionist Jews to this nightmare is significant are we allowed to say so. The fact that there is a taboo against mentioning this says much about how real this disproportionate self-serving interest is.

Everyone should read Alan Hart's 'Zionism, enemy of the Jews'. The Jewish problem today is that so few Jews recognise Zionism as their true enemy and greatest existential threat. Rather they are much more typically (though, obviously, not universally) inclined to support it.

I do not deny the holocaust but I am still waiting for someome to explain to me how the official figure for Auschwitz deaths can fall from 4 to 1.1 million and yet the overall 6 million figure remains unchanged.

The point is that it seems quite likely to me that, like 9/11, much of the holocaust story is, first and foremost, that.....a story......a determinedly propagated narrative that is meant to serve a specific purpose........not all lies......but with lies aplenty.

I don't know this to be true....but 9/11 has made me suspect it. I do not trust any public figure now.....Briton, Yank, Christian or Jew. It could easily be that the oligarchical powers are merely using Zionism to create the conflict that will advance their globalist agenda.

It could be that they are setting 'the Jews' up to take the blame for all our woes. I really don't know.

What I do know is that it is time that the Jewish community themselves started looking at the issue of Zionism with critical eyes.

However, one wonders if this can really happen. They, as a community, seem to be even more brainwashed than we are.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heartily recommend everyone catch 'The Money Masters'.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rodin -

Not Huffy! He's off his rocker! And he looks like an orc!

I find the tone of his accusations implausible. And not just because I don't think 'Zionists' control the media. You could just as well say the 'Zionists' engineered a rigged show trial to publicly humiliate the 'revisionists'. It's *, but * as good as Huffy's.
It's very easy for Huffy to get all antsy for Irving pleading guilty, but we all know that gets you a smaller sentence and it's easy to be telling someone else they should play the martyr.
Irving's claim (in court at the Zundel trial) he was pretty suddenly 'converted' by reading the Leuchter report is either untrue or he's stupid. You don't suddenly make such a big change and announce it in court based on a single document in a field you're unfamiliar with. Mind you, in the case for auschwitz (a book you should read btw) by Robert Jan Van Pelt, there's an indication Irving may have been drawn to the publicity and potential income Zundel could provide.
Still, who knows. What do I care.
But Huffy resorting to stuff like -
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Have you heard the accusations that Irving is Jewish, a homosexual pedophile, and mentally unstable? Perhaps Irving was offered the choice of going to jail as a pedophile or as a Holocaust Denier.

is pretty pathetic. It's also a bit rich he has a pop at the Adelaide Institute as I would regard their standard of Holocaust denial to be a cut above Huffy's rather feeble effort.

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Even if a photograph does show a dead Jew, it doesn't prove that Nazis killed him. He may have been killed by Zionists.


That is my very favourite bit. It's almost like he's satirising Holocaust denial.

If you can prove wtc7 was detonated, go on JREF and tell them. And, crucially, find an accedited 'expert' who agrees. The media likes 'experts'. It's how it works. Expert a challenges expert b. It's an institution that functions in a specific way. 911 stuff is conspiracy theory until the right people say it isn't. And I'm not talking about David Shayler.

That website looks fascinating. I like the way the guy doesn't beat about the bush in declaring he's an antisemite. And it's about time antisemites got on Judicial's case as that website is an embarrasment to irrational and deluded race hate everywhere. The Auschwitz page is painful.
I haven't read the articles yet, but if they do think all there is is survivor testimony, they could probably stand to borrow a few books off me.
The abortion pictures are delightful and provide a refreshingly original interlude from the usual obsessive scrutinising of everything to do with the Holocaust in a desperate attempt to find something to get excited about.
I'm becoming increasingly interested in the messianic zeal inherent in this stuff. It's like, "the Holocaust must not stand!"

May I ask - what 'made you realise' what you now believe about Jews?

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As Scotty said, ye canna change the laws of physics. But you can choose to ignore them...


I have a memory of an episode of star trek - the next generation featuring Scotty (he'd got frozen or something) in which he told Geordie he routinely lied to Kirk about how long it would take to fix the warp drive - he gave an inflated estimate to make himself look better when he fixed it in a shorter time. Disinfo in the starship Enterprise eh? The most surprising places...

KBO -

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do not deny the holocaust but I am still waiting for someome to explain to me how the official figure for Auschwitz deaths can fall from 4 to 1.1 million and yet the overall 6 million figure remains unchanged.


IIRC, the four million figure was compiled by the Soviets and was based on a rather erroneous methodology of working out how many bodies the crematoria could incinerate during the periods exterminations were occuring. There was never an 'official figure' as such. Their figure was just bunged on the Auschwitz memorial on the Birkenau site for all to see. It was, after all, their museum. However, historians such as Raul Hilberg independently calculated figures based on deportations to the camp decades ago. Eventually, as Poland got more accessible to researchers in the changing political climate, further research came up with estimates similar to Hilberg's original ones. In a nutshell, the 'new' figure is as old as the 'old' one - it just turned out it was eventually agreed the old one used a daft methodology.

edit - though I've forotten why the figure stayed the same - I'll check tomorrow. though 6 million isn't necessarily correct anyway. Hilberg puts it at 5.1 I think, and he's the daddy. Initially misread question as am knackered.

There are certainly plenty of...omissions regarding the Holocaust. Like us letting it go on despite knowing about it. Like us not wanting excess Jews clogging up Palestine and not letting them in - preferring they die. There were even bone fide Zionist Jew fascists before the war. Largely inspired by Mussolini who never really had a beef with Jews. And fascism was pretty popular back then generally, so it's hardly surprising. Contrary to antisemite propaganda, German Jews were pretty patriotic and it's likely they would have rallied beyond Hitler like everyone else given a different scapegoat. People. Just people.

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What is a racist?

I have been called a racist, on this forum, on the basis that I stated that Andre Agassi is of partial Armenian descent (not Iranian) and is an American citizen, not an Iranian Christian.

My wife is Chinese and my son, therefore, of mixed race.

When I was leaving a house I once owned in Portugal, I left my small Bechstein grand piano with a wonderful concert pianist, who only had an old upright piano. He has since dedicated some incredible piano compositions to me and my family, and now gives regular concert performances all over Portugal.

He is a Jew.

Yet someone who has never even met me calls me, amongst other things, a racist.

As the Americans say: Go figure!

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Dogsmilk wrote:
I'll check tomorrow. though 6 million isn't necessarily correct anyway.

Ofcourse it is not correct. But it is in many countries against the law to question this figure. And also, the money paid out to those New York law firms has always been based on this figure.
Plus interest ofcourse

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There are certainly plenty of...omissions regarding the Holocaust. Like us letting it go on despite knowing about it. Like us not wanting excess Jews clogging up Palestine and not letting them in - preferring they die. There were even bone fide Zionist Jew fascists before the war

One of the biggest omissions from the history books is the role played by British and American zionists in financing Hitler and preventing the escape of Jews from Germany.
Did you know that the USA granted virtually no visas to Jews during the war. Because zionists did not want religious Jews escaping.
It is widely reported that Hitler actually wanted to EXILE the Jews under his jurisdiction. America blocked granting visas, BRITISH JEWISH MPs blocked Mauritious as a safe haven which was offered by the government, The Swiss also blocked Jews from escaping not because they dd not want them but because zionist leaders in switzerland forced the Swiss government not to allow Jews to enter. Sali Mayer is one such documented example of a Jewish leader blocking the escape of Jews.

You see there are 2 kinds of Jews, real Jews and Ashkenazi Jews. Most of the Jewish people killed during WW2 were not the askenazis. So it has been argued by survivors that ethnic cleansing was indeed the aim of the exercise. But the secular ashkenazis are the ones to blame.
They financed Hitler's Germany which in 1929 was completely bankrupt yet a few years later was the biggest military and industrial machine the world has EVER seen.
Money poured into Germany from American banks and the vatican.
IBM, Ford, Standard Oil, invested in Germany in a big war.
Remember Germany has and had no oil. JD Rockefeller, an Ashkenazi, supplied Germany with oil to power its tanks, aircraft, Uboats, Destroyers, etc
Without out which they could not have moved.
IBM's punchcard computer allowed Hitler to select his master race and used it to select those deemed unworthy to exist.

One of the worst travesties today is the hijacking of Hitler's crimes to a huge industry looking to stage class action lawsuits against the German and Swiss taxpayers.
Why have the Poles, the Slavs, The Gypsies, The disabled, the gays, not recieve a penny in compensation?
And why are there no concentration camp serial numbers with 6 digits?
All are five digit numbers.

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Dogs - you keep denying the media is controlled primarily by - it's not just Zionists, and it's not just Jews. It's something else, that overlaps heavily with these (already overlapping) groups. Anyway, you simply cannot evade factual lists like this...

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It isn't simply a matter of the media being controlled by "corporate interests". If that were the case, the ethnicity of the media masters would reflect, at least approximately, the ratio of rich Gentiles to rich Jews. The preponderance of Jews in the media is so overwhelming, however, that we are obliged to assume that it is due to more than mere happenstance..


http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/jewishmedia.htm

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The Zionist Jews have an almost total grip on the media in Britain, systematically, constantly and intensely feeding their propaganda and example to almost everyone in Britain, which is nothing new. With this media, they are uniformly, deliberately, systematically, constantly and intensely promoting both the transformation and permanent destruction of Britain into a multiracial, "multicultural" state, and also the interests of the so-called "state of Israel", against the wishes and interests of the native British people.


http://www.rense.com/general38/brits.htm

In Britian we know these people - they are in many cases household names.

The Media keeps 911 at bay. And what else?

I would be interested in seeing the quality of forensic evidence for the Holocaust - specifically gas chambers. Can you access this stuff on the internet?

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