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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 6:45 am    Post subject: Galloway says murder of Blair would be 'justified' Reply with quote

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Galloway says murder of Blair would be 'justified'
By Oliver Duff
Published: 26 May 2006
The Respect MP George Galloway has said it would be morally justified for a suicide bomber to murder Tony Blair.

In an interview with GQ magazine, the reporter asked him: "Would the assassination of, say, Tony Blair by a suicide bomber - if there were no other casualties - be justified as revenge for the war on Iraq?"

Mr Galloway replied: "Yes, it would be morally justified. I am not calling for it - but if it happened it would be of a wholly different moral order to the events of 7/7. It would be entirely logical and explicable. And morally equivalent to ordering the deaths of thousands of innocent people in Iraq - as Blair did."

The Labour MP Stephen Pound, a persistent critic of Mr Galloway during previous controversies, told The Sun that the Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow in east London was "disgraceful and truly twisted".

He said: "These comments take my breath away. Every time you think he can't sink any lower he goes and stuns you again. It's reprehensible to say it would be justified for a suicide bomber to assassinate anyone."

The Stop the War Coalition criticised Mr Galloway: "We don't agree with Tony Blair's actions, but neither do we agree with suicide bombers or assassinations."

Just hours after four bomb attacks killed 52 people on London's transport system last July, Mr Galloway said the city had "paid the price" for Mr Blair's decision to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. "Ten thousand Osama bin Ladens have been created at least by the events of the last two years," he told MPs in the Commons that day.

Mr Pound said at the time: "I thought George had sunk to the depths of sickness in the past but this exceeds anything he has done before." The Armed Forces minister, Adam Ingram, accused the Respect MP of "dipping his poisonous tongue in a pool of blood".

Mr Galloway yesterday made a surprise appearance on Cuban television with the Caribbean island's Communist dictator, Fidel Castro - whom he defended as a "lion" in a political world populated by "monkeys".

Mr Galloway shocked panellists on a live television discussion show in Havana by emerging on set mid-transmission to offer passionate support for Castro. Looking approvingly into each others' eyes, the pair embraced.

The Respect MP George Galloway has said it would be morally justified for a suicide bomber to murder Tony Blair.

In an interview with GQ magazine, the reporter asked him: "Would the assassination of, say, Tony Blair by a suicide bomber - if there were no other casualties - be justified as revenge for the war on Iraq?"

Mr Galloway replied: "Yes, it would be morally justified. I am not calling for it - but if it happened it would be of a wholly different moral order to the events of 7/7. It would be entirely logical and explicable. And morally equivalent to ordering the deaths of thousands of innocent people in Iraq - as Blair did."

The Labour MP Stephen Pound, a persistent critic of Mr Galloway during previous controversies, told The Sun that the Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow in east London was "disgraceful and truly twisted".

He said: "These comments take my breath away. Every time you think he can't sink any lower he goes and stuns you again. It's reprehensible to say it would be justified for a suicide bomber to assassinate anyone."

The Stop the War Coalition criticised Mr Galloway: "We don't agree with Tony Blair's actions, but neither do we agree with suicide bombers or assassinations."

Just hours after four bomb attacks killed 52 people on London's transport system last July, Mr Galloway said the city had "paid the price" for Mr Blair's decision to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. "Ten thousand Osama bin Ladens have been created at least by the events of the last two years," he told MPs in the Commons that day.

Mr Pound said at the time: "I thought George had sunk to the depths of sickness in the past but this exceeds anything he has done before." The Armed Forces minister, Adam Ingram, accused the Respect MP of "dipping his poisonous tongue in a pool of blood".

Mr Galloway yesterday made a surprise appearance on Cuban television with the Caribbean island's Communist dictator, Fidel Castro - whom he defended as a "lion" in a political world populated by "monkeys".

Mr Galloway shocked panellists on a live television discussion show in Havana by emerging on set mid-transmission to offer passionate support for Castro. Looking approvingly into each others' eyes, the pair embraced.

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crikey, first decent thing that's come out his mouth for a while.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annie

Could you post the link to that article please? I want to pass it on to other forums and need a reference. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi blackcat

Here's the link:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article601356.ece

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Isn't it amazing that nobody of importance is ever targeted by suicide bombers.

Bush and Blair at the G8 in Scotland, suicide bombers leave Leeds and plant some bombs on trains and a bus in London. My bs detector went off the scale.

I dont believe a word about suicide bombers. Here, Iraq, Afghanistan...
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blair doesn't deserve to die; just throw him in solitary for life and leave the light on all day and night.

And Jack Straw? Watch your back!!

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could ring him up on the the radio to ask his opinions; He's on Talk Sport (1053-1089 am or on digital tv) on Saturday and Sunday nights, 8-10pm.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

George confirms himself as a most dangerous character, precisely the kind of stalinist fellow-traveller he portrayed in BB, and actual best friend to Blair and his backers, whilst hobnobbing with the dictators of the now subsumed oppositional trend

What a * farce
Confirming a valid role for suicide bombers, who would be an ultimate life-denying force if they were other than a carefully constructed myth, sometimes conveyed into reality by cretins taken in by the myth
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Vengance is mine sayeth the Lord."

"Love your enemies" ....Jesus Christ.

Blair might deserve to suffer. Have faith. He will. His own God-created soul will demand it of himself.

Anyone who says that it would be morally justifiable to assassinate him is coming from somewhere I do not understand.

Morality is not about feelings.

If that were the case I would probably murder seventeen people every fortnight.

It is about our highest ideals surely.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kbo234 wrote:
"Vengance is mine sayeth the Lord."

"Love your enemies" ....Jesus Christ.

Blair might deserve to suffer. Have faith. He will. His own God-created soul will demand it of himself.

Anyone who says that it would be morally justifiable to assassinate him is coming from somewhere I do not understand.

Morality is not about feelings.

If that were the case I would probably murder seventeen people every fortnight.

It is about our highest ideals surely.


Hell, the karma Christians are taking over here
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Menses Ambrosia Campbell is a freemason who is well in the mix
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The issue of 'feelings' is very significant, I believe. Over the last decades there has been an ever-increasing strain of subtle propaganda (as I see it) to emphasise the primacy of a person's feelings....to the point where it is almost expected that a individual's first duty is to serve them.

It may well be that this type of developement is a natural partner to the demise of religion and spirituality in general. However, although there are some good aspects (society is more accepting of difference and abberations of every kind) there is also a serious downside.

Feelings are not given to us that we might serve them. Feelings are surely a signalling system designed to inform us of the condition of our own souls.
Emotions, the outpouring of feeling, exist to communicate this condition to others.

We are called on to be "perfect as our Father in heaven"....not to be satisfied in our error. This is a very tough call for all of us but surely this yearning for the ideal (or God, as some of us call it) is the notion from which all true spirituality and morality proceeds.

By our distraction and over-engagement with 'feelings' we become easy prey to the manipulators of the media, the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, political parties and the rest.

Do you work in an environment where the modern management frenzy has taken hold (almost any school or hospital or big business for a start)?

The justification of any new initiative always sounds oh so human, oh so sensible, oh so conducive to the common good.....so much so that you fail to notice the fact that you are being managed to pointless exhaustion, that everyone is in fear of falling short on a whole range of created measures, that your life is actually being made miserable by this stuff, that its effects ARE, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT WAS INTENDED (e.g. educational 'standards')......That you don't have time to think about what's really important, never mind to try and pursue it.....that you have absolutely no measureable input into any system you work in unless you swallow the fundamental idea of all this bs in the first place.

Of course, most really important inputs into any system cannot be measureable. There is no MKS unit for the love in your heart or the truthfulness of your soul.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"No politician, ever, by act, word, or deed either expressly or by implication, should give any support to the notion that violence might be justified."

Tell that to the dead who gave their lives fighting the Nazis. Or a multitude of others who fought killed and died for justice. Tell it to the Romanians who fought Ceasescu's secret police and who attained his overthrow by violent means. Violence is routinely the only option and it is probably going to be the only way to defeat the growing fascist takeover of the USA by evil people. Undesirable certainly, but there is little alternative when you are being attacked than to defend yourself. The problem is that by the time people like yourself are aware, it is going to be a much bigger struggle than it needs to be, and the level of violence is likely to be huge.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all here in black and white.

http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-nurem.htm
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dh wrote:
Menses Ambrosia Campbell is a freemason who is well in the mix


I know this for a fact, that Charles Kennedy's drink problem was much exaggerated, and that since we was married 3 years ago, he had pretty much knocked it on the head.

In 1992, when the Tories made a mess of the economy, they wanted and expected Kinnock to win, but their plan went wrong and John Major won an unexpected election victory, albeit with a much reduced parliamentary majority. This meant the Tories had to take the can for the mess they created. The plan was for Kinnock to win and get the blame so they would be elected back in 1997, in time to make sure Britain plays along with the US Neo-cons agenda for the 21st century. This led the US Neo-Cons with the problem of a certain Labour landslide victory in 1997 and the prospect of John Smith as British Prime minister at the turn of the century. John Smith subsequently conveniently had a heart attack like Robin Cook and was replaced by their man "Tony Bliar", thus ensuring a supporter of the Neo-Cons in Downing Street in time for GW2 and PNAC.

Now it looks like Bliar is making sure there is a smooth handover of power to his and their chosen successor, David Cameron, however, there was one spanner in the works, in the form of the Lib Dems who currently have the highest 3rd party representation in the House of Commons since the 1920s and it is looking that the most likely outcome of the next general election would be a hung parliament. The Lib Dems had a charismatic, well-established, likable and capable leader in the form of Charles Kennedy who is much better known than the New World Order's chosen successor, Mr Cameron. This means they have very little chance of getting their man into Parliament with a working parliamentary majority, and Charlie boy, being a decent person, certainly wasn't going to play ball with the American Neo-Cons in the event of a hung parliament and coalition government in the UK. Hence, the sudden revelation of his much exaggerated drink-problem and replacement with a boring, uncharismatic, elderly old has-been who nobody's ever heard of. The plan is already working, at a time of peak-unpopularity for the sitting Government, the Lib Dems recently for the first time in over a decade failed to make significant gains in local elections, and most of the Lib Dem seats that David Cameron needs to form a parliamentary majority are almost certain to fall back to the Tories at the next general election.

As for George Galloway, he didn't actually say that he thought that Tony Bliar should be assassinated by a suicide bomber; he said that he could understand from an Iraqi view point why that might be seen as morally justifiable. Labour MPs were absolutely delighted when they heard of Mr Galloway's comments, which were in response to a specific question, as they knew they could misrepresent what he said and sound all pious and self-righteous in the process.

His comments are not that dissimilar to those made by Cherie Bliar a few years ago about understanding what makes a Palestinian want to blow themselves up. I cannot see how any rational person who has seen the film "The Road to Fallujah" or knows about the situation in Iraq could not understand why some Iraqis might think it morally justifiable to blow up the man who is head of an invasion force that has destroyed their city and made their lives a living hell.

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those LibDems who wanted to replace Kennedy with Ming Campbell now look pretty daft, although I have to say I thought Kennedy was scared of appearing too radical on the War - he wanted to oppose it, and support it!

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Ming would be a good bet but he has been terrible.

Dr Hemp, not sure on your theory that Kinnock should have won? Surely if that was the plan why did the Sun run the 'Could the last person put the lights out' headline?

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:32 am    Post subject: strange beliefs Reply with quote

dh wrote:

Hell, the karma Christians are taking over here


Nobody's taking over. We have all sorts and conditions of folk posting on here and each expresses themself in the language in which they understand the world. I know people in the following categories who post on here:

Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, atheists, Christians, Marxists, anarchists, Ickeites, pagans, universalists and the generally all round confused.

Kbo234, whom you met in Blackpool in February, is a Catholic. When people say to me that we can't be taken seriously because people who believe in UFOs and shape-shifting lizards support our cause, I usually point out that we also have supporters who believe that when a priest blesses bread and wine it transmutes into the flesh and blood of a first century Jewish teacher, though it continues to taste and smell like bread and wine.

Physics professor Steven Jones, who has done stirling work on the collapse of the World Trade Center, has also published articles in which he affirms his belief that Jesus visited America. We should not be surprised at this belief of his as he is a Mormon and that is orthodox Mormon doctrine. Does his being a Mormon discredit his work on the collapse of the WTC?

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still convinced that the Tories never expected to win in 92 and that the electoral system enables those with their own agenda to manipulate who gets into power. In any case, the Thatcherite agenda has carried on, with Bliar being able to get away with perhaps more errosions of our civil liberties than the Tories would have been able to get away with. I still remember the battle of the beanfield, so it will take more than a bicycle totting toff talking about green issues to convince me otherwise about them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Charles Kennedy was replaced by Ming to make sure the Lib Dems didn't hold the balance of power after the next general election, so that Blaireron gets in with a Parliamentary majority. It seems strange remove someone who people have at least heard of, and replace him with someone who looks like he belongs in an OAPs home.

I hope I'm wrong about Cameron, but I just don't think that an old Etonian who has been an MP for just 4 years, gets to be leader of the Tory Party, unless other people behind the scenes have something already planned. I don't have much faith in any of the buggers, though I suppose nothing could be worse than Mr Bliar, but I once thought that about Mrs Thatcher, and Bliar came along to prove me wrong on that. I bet Murdoch switches to Cameron at the next election, if he does, then we will know for sure that all the new bicycle riding green Tories are a crock of *.

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyb wrote:
I thought Ming would be a good bet but he has been terrible.


Yes he's awful isn't he. I only vote for them tactically coz I'm in the South West; I'd rather my vote actually counted so I could vote for the Greens.

andyb wrote:

Dr Hemp, not sure on your theory that Kinnock should have won? Surely if that was the plan why did the Sun run the 'Could the last person put the lights out' headline?


Yes, and there are many who think he might have won if they hadn't ran that headline, so that does throw a bit of a spanner into my theory. The Sun must be happy as right-wing US supporting PMs have been in power in the UK since 1979.

Some observers have suggested that Kinnock lost that elelction rather than the Tories won it. Do you remember the mega-cringingly embarrassing Sheffied Victory Rally, a few days before the 92 general election when Kinnock made a complete pratt of himself turning off thousands of voters in the space of a few minutes? (maybe Kinnock was in on it too, just like John Kerry who was selected to lose, but nearly won anyway, despite the vote rigging in Florida and Iowa, because Bu$h is such an idiot).

At the end of the day, I guess the English were never going to elect a boring bald ginger Welsh windbag, especially as the economy was not doing so well at the time, and they thought he would make it even worse.

Anyway, it's all speculation about the past. One things for sure, not much will change after the next election, whoever wins it! That's why the work we are doing is so important, because only will things change when there is a mass realisation of the truth and what they have been getting up to, which I hope happens before it is too late.

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted on another thread regarding Camron and the Bilderbergers as Bliar went to a meeting prior to becoming PM. Someone posted that Cameron has been to a meeting so it does look like he's being groomed. Does anyone have any info on this? Bliar is going to run Labour into the ground and make the Tories the only alternative in the general publics' eyes. Why else would he not sack Prescott(apart from having a deputy leadership vote which may provide an opportunity for a stalking horse in a leadership battle) Anyway, the Tories are 5/6 at Paddy Power to win the next election. A good way to almost double our funds!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:38 pm    Post subject: Mings in cloud cuckoo land Reply with quote

On a recent Question Time on BBC1. Menzies Campbell (still do not know why he likes being called Ming!) Stated that there should be an inquiry into 7/7 like the 911 Commission did with 911. To anyone with half a brain cell this was the most blatant whitewash report of all time and it makes me wonder if poor old Ming even bothered to read it and check his facts before he came out with this nonsense comment. What a plonker.
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(still do not know why he likes being called Ming!)

Because Menzies is a Scottish name and the correct pronunciation is 'Mingies' with a hard 'g'.
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Im scottish as well and I have never met anyone called Menzies or Ming. I dont remember anyone calling the retail chain John Ming. Fail to see the point in taking the time to correct me. Last time I checked this was the 911 Truth site not True prounciation of Scottish Names site. The man is still an idiot whether he is called Ming or Menzies.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:33 pm    Post subject: in the manner of 'a cheekie wee *'. Reply with quote

OFF TOPIC but there you go..
Mr. eckboy, you demonstrate a quite unwarranted lack of politeness and respect towards a longstanding poster, one who has contributed greatly to this forum. That you should reply in the manner you did to someone who tried politely to inform you on a subject which you your bonnie wee self actually raised finds me, at least, less than endeared. Not, I'm sure, that you give, as we say in my country, a monkey's ****. [/b]
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Eckyboy wrote:
Im scottish as well and I have never met anyone called Menzies or Ming. I dont remember anyone calling the retail chain John Ming. Fail to see the point in taking the time to correct me. Last time I checked this was the 911 Truth site not True prounciation of Scottish Names site. The man is still an idiot whether he is called Ming or Menzies.

You brought up the subject of pronunciation in the first place, as has been already pointed out.

And contrary to your claim, throughout my near 10 years in the Fleet Air Arm in which I served with many Scots, they always referred to John Menzies as 'John Mingies' - that is how I learned of it. Menzies Campbell was always referred to as 'Mingies Campbell' before his comparatively recent public abbreviation to 'Ming'.

My service in the Royal Navy ended twenty years ago and I suspect that the gradual globalisation of pronunciation in which words like schedule are pronounced skedule instead of shedule is probably responsible.
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Flamesong wrote:
Eckyboy wrote:
Im scottish as well and I have never met anyone called Menzies or Ming. I dont remember anyone calling the retail chain John Ming. Fail to see the point in taking the time to correct me. Last time I checked this was the 911 Truth site not True prounciation of Scottish Names site. The man is still an idiot whether he is called Ming or Menzies.

You brought up the subject of pronunciation in the first place, as has been already pointed out.

And contrary to your claim, throughout my near 10 years in the Fleet Air Arm in which I served with many Scots, they always referred to John Menzies as 'John Mingies' - that is how I learned of it. Menzies Campbell was always referred to as 'Mingies Campbell' before his comparatively recent public abbreviation to 'Ming'
My service in the Royal Navy ended twenty years ago and I suspect that the gradual globalisation of pronunciation in which words like schedule are pronounced skedule instead of shedule is probably responsible.

I still prefer my spelling of Menzies like it should be pronounced 'menses'
Isn't minger, aside from a reference to smell, more particularly related to the smell of a rather buxom wench who is careless in regard to personal hygeine, and doesn't carry some sachets of femfresh wipe in her handbag?
That's why I would characterise Menzies as Ambrosia, a drinker and celebrator of menstrual blood, who grows old and weak as time goes by, rather than say Kissinger, a killer and skinner of young children, who looks exactly the same now as he did in the 'Sixties. Different degrees
Or is this merely the lurid imaginings of some paranoid pervert?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:52 pm    Post subject: Leave monkeys out of it Reply with quote

I meant no offense to flamesong nor did I feel I was rude alwun. I agree Flamesong has contributed plenty to this forum and was not calling him an idiot. However my topic was not about prounciation nor did I bring the subject up I merely commented on it in my post. I stand by what I said as I was simply stating in my experience the prounciation makes no sense. That is in my opinion which I still believe I am entitled to. I do happen to care a Monkeys whatever that is why I am on this site in the first place.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought it was suspicious that the scandals regarding the other contenders both turned up at the same time, therefore leading Ming the Hopeless with a clear run. Gennedy was clearly suffering with the drink though, it was visible in his face, his manner and his failure to turn up at appointments. I can't help suspecting that someone ensured that Ming would get the nod by releasing information they had been gathering for a while. Whether that is because they thought Ming was rubbish or because he was more right wing I don't know.
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