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Can you supply any evidence to prove it is molten metal?
It looks more like water to me.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Molten Metal WTC Thermate |
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| telecasterisation wrote: | Can you supply any evidence to prove it is molten metal?
It looks more like water to me. |
True I guess Tele anyone know the temp required for a Lava Flow?? Still I'm sure it far exceeds office fire temp 
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Molten Metal WTC Thermate |
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| telecasterisation wrote: | Can you supply any evidence to prove it is molten metal?
It looks more like water to me. |
Does water glow yellow-white hot? Does water glow at all? Surely you must be talking in gist!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Molten Metal WTC Thermate |
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| telecasterisation wrote: | Can you supply any evidence to prove it is molten metal?
It looks more like water to me. |
wha....??? (John McEnroe springs to mind)
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Look closely at the first video and you will see that when the metal touches the side of the building, there is a shower of sparks and this is very characteristic of molten steel (I know because I have worked with molten steel in the steel works). The sparks come from the fact that steel contains carbon. Like the flint in a lighter is high carbon steel - but aluminium does not contain carbon.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Molten Metal WTC Thermate |
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| rodin wrote: | | telecasterisation wrote: | Can you supply any evidence to prove it is molten metal?
It looks more like water to me. |
wha....??? (John McEnroe springs to mind) |
You are of course free to conjure mental images of vintage tennis stars if you think it may help.
It still looks like water from this distance (second link).
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Molten Metal WTC Thermate |
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| telecasterisation wrote: | | You are of course free to conjure mental images of vintage tennis stars if you think it may help. |
shouting 'You must be joking'
Water boils @ 100C. Stell melts @ - what was it 2000 or so. So we have steel beams melting inside and hot water pouring out of the building...
Hint: Make a cup of tea using yr Russell Hobbs... Did the kettle survive?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Molten Metal WTC Thermate |
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| rodin wrote: | | telecasterisation wrote: | | You are of course free to conjure mental images of vintage tennis stars if you think it may help. |
shouting 'You must be joking'
Water boils @ 100C. Stell melts @ - what was it 2000 or so. So we have steel beams melting inside and hot water pouring out of the building...
Hint: Make a cup of tea using yr Russell Hobbs... Did the kettle survive? |
Steel beams melting? I have never seen anything about them 'melting' - can you supply a pointer to that please?
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: Re: Molten Metal WTC Thermate |
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| rodin wrote: | | telecasterisation wrote: | | You are of course free to conjure mental images of vintage tennis stars if you think it may help. |
shouting 'You must be joking'
Water boils @ 100C. Stell melts @ - what was it 2000 or so. So we have steel beams melting inside and hot water pouring out of the building...
Hint: Make a cup of tea using yr Russell Hobbs... Did the kettle survive? |
Between 1350°C and 1540°C , Rodin – depending on the type.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Molten Metal WTC Thermate |
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| telecasterisation wrote: | | rodin wrote: | | telecasterisation wrote: | | You are of course free to conjure mental images of vintage tennis stars if you think it may help. |
shouting 'You must be joking'
Water boils @ 100C. Stell melts @ - what was it 2000 or so. So we have steel beams melting inside and hot water pouring out of the building...
Hint: Make a cup of tea using yr Russell Hobbs... Did the kettle survive? |
Steel beams melting? I have never seen anything about them 'melting' - can you supply a pointer to that please? |
| Quote: | | A one-inch column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges--which are curled like a paper scroll--have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes--some larger than a silver dollar--let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending--but not holes |
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/index.html
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So let's see - I have abundant evidence that we have been lied to left right and centre by TPTB - and you expect me to give credence to a COMPUTER SIMULATION with odd accent commentary above my own measurements of the collapse times which prove BEYOND ANY DOUBT that the legs were cut from under the buildings?
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I can't understand how from any perspective that isn't molten metal.
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Thanks for that Tele. It’s a good simulation for not showing how the buildings could possibly fall through themselves. Even though the simulation is likely not very accurate, it helps put things into perspective.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Molten Metal WTC Thermate |
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| telecasterisation wrote: | | Steel beams melting? I have never seen anything about them 'melting' - can you supply a pointer to that please? |
Go back to the start, there is a 'pointer' there. Can you see it? (God, I am being kind)
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| Quote: | I collected iron-rich particles in the dust by pulling a magnet across the outside of a plastic bag containing the dust, pulling upwards to the top the magnetic material and pulling this aside for further analysis. These magnetic particles were, as one might expect, rich in iron. There was a surprising amount of this iron-rich material. Although others have reported the presence of iron-rich particles in the dust , I was surprised to find the abundance of spherical particles in this iron-rich component some of which were considerably larger than previously reported. It was exciting to me to find for the first time iron-rich spheres up to about 1.5 mm in diameter in a 32.1-gram sample of dust.
The iron-rich component of the WTC dust sample was analyzed in some detail by scanning electron microscopy (SEM) and x-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (X-EDS). Using the scanning electron microscope, we found that much of the iron-rich dust was in fact composed of roughly spherical particles – microspheres. The presence of metallic microspheres implies that these metals were once molten, so that surface tension pulled the droplets into a roughly spherical shape. Then the molten droplets solidified in air, preserving the information that they were once molten in the spherical shape as well as chemical information. |
http://www.911blogger.com/node/8573
Jones says Therm-te (insert vowel of choice). While I refuse to unequivocally endorse a Mormon who worked @ Los Alamos on cold fusion, I doubt he is lying about the presence of re-solidified iron.
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Oh NO! Not AGAIN!! There's been many experiments on this 'lava flow' already. NOT water (geez!), NOT predominantly aluminum BUT certainly steel. My nym comes into the equation too.
As for the Purdue parameter-tinkering clip, do you have any idea who is behind that apart from the entire Bush-appointed NSF? Mete Sozen. Check him out in relation to the Murrah Building bombing...
http://911research.wtc7.net/non911/oklahoma/index.html
If you really want to 'believe' in govt funded 'science' please explain to us why mangled thin aluminum can still slice through massive steel H columns after having lost the majority of its kinetic energy, as displayed late on in the Purdue cartoon?
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| I was watching the TV progame Miracule of Stirway B, last night and it showed a breif video clip of the fire men stanging around an orange glow and one guy was going through it with his hands! Did anyone see it? If that was ment to be molten metal then the guys standing in the orange stuff would have died ?
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Judy has spent a certain amount of time mucking about with the colour balance on those photos, trying to show that orange shades appear all over the place without indicating anything to do with heat. Perhaps looking at her efforts in this direction have made you see orange shades all over the place and attach some sort of paradoxical meaning to them.
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I have strived to be crystal clear with my view, but it seems to have created some controversy.
I am simply saying that the second clip appears to be more like water than molten metal.
| Quote: | | It still looks like water from this distance (second link). |
I am also asking how the conclusion is reached that it is molten 'steel'? I view this as being assumptive more than based upon any real evidence.
I asked for evidence but instead got directed to ageing tennis players.
This is a still from said clip = this is labelled dripping steel based upon what evidence? The quantity would be huge based upon the dimensions of downward flow, this would equate to gallons of molten steel. If there is any evidence or quantitive corroborated analysis that says it is definitely steel then that's cool - simply point me to it.
If I posted the same clip on Youtube and headed it 'Strawberry yoghurt drips from burning WTC' - does that make it factual?
I am not saying it IS water, but from this distance it could just as well be water. Why 'steel'?
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um the thermite reaction doesnt actually produce STEEL, but IRON
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Rowan - do we really have to start up another divisive thread on 'When steel becomes iron' or what?
I personally think there is already far more than enough straw man and red herring activity going on over at truthaction and the like - why import it here?
Sure, when this all gets to court, I'll be right there willing the jury on to remain awake whilst all this nitty gritty material evidence drags on for weeks ;-)
Right now though, it would seem to my (admittedly failing) legal mind there is already sufficient evidence for indictment in Mineta's commission testimony and Kean's comments last year about the FAA/NORAD lies.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Rowan Berkeley wrote: | | Judy has spent a certain amount of time mucking about with the colour balance on those photos, trying to show that orange shades appear all over the place without indicating anything to do with heat. Perhaps looking at her efforts in this direction have made you see orange shades all over the place and attach some sort of paradoxical meaning to them. |
please don't patronize me, maybe your seeing only what you what to see 
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