Holocaust survivors' children file suit

[blackcat]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070716/ap_on_re_eu/israel_holocaust_s_chi ldren

When does this end?? What about the survivors of the Blitz and their children? The Russians who starved in besieged cities?
These "children" must be in their fifties now - what took so long?

[telecasterisation]

The human perspective of justice is really quite bizarre, the things that have to happen before we can create different pictures in our heads.

We recently had a bunch of descendents demanding 'Bristol' apologise for the participation of the city in the slave trade. Much of the surrounding sprawl beng financed by the profits at the time.

I was waltzing through the centre a while ago and there was a well-dressed bunch of 'descendents' with a small banner handing out leaflets and asking 'Are you prepared to apologise for what your city did?' Well I was born in London and simply said that it was nothing to do with me or mine. The woman got really quite agitated and the older man had to calm her down.

This type of 'blame' thinking permeates everywhere, extreme thinking being associated with strong emotions. Some here have vehemently supported NPT which others simply cannot grasp the concept of.

[Mark Gobell]

Unbelievable.

As a survivor of WW2 evacuee parents, I still have nightmares about the trauma they both incurred as a result of German air raids over London.

My Great Uncle, F J Gobell was among the 37 million casualties of the 1st World War and was killed on the 1st day of the Somme in 1916 and as such, I have been deprived of the relationships that I could have enjoyed had he survived and produced offspring.

His brother, Harry Gobell, a talented tennis player, lost an arm at Millancourt in 1918, thus depriving us of a British Wimbledon champion. I still cannot watch tennis to this day.

My reaction as a child to was to steal the arms of my friend's action men by way of psychological compensation for my great uncle's suffering. This made me very unpopular with the children in my neighbourhood which led me to horribly murder most of them before they told their parents.

As a result of my great uncle's trench experiences, I have inherited an aversion to dying in mud.

This has led me to abandon various careers, including grave digging and landscaping, which I feel sure could have led to me being a happy millionaire.

Prior to evacuation, as young children in East London my father and uncles, by virtue of the family name, endured the taunts and trauma of being associated with the infamous Dr Goebbels which so severely affected their personalities that none of them became millionaires. This has caused untold suffering in my family.

As a junior schoolboy, I had Mr & Mrs Reubens complain to the school about me being in the same class as their son. No grounds other than my family name, which they found offensive. Again I was punished by proxy for German war crimes.

Notwithstanding, the French origin of the family name, it's possible Ashkenazi root, the horrors of the Somme, the German Luftwaffe that so scared my parents and then destroyed Uncle Fred's service records, I have survived, but, crucially, need more money !

During WW2 my parents lived off scraps due to rationing. As a result my mother overstocked on "just in case" food supplies. This led to obesity among her children and associated health problems. I have serious psychological issues about eating just one biscuit, yet, cannot abide Garibaldis, even travelling to Sardinia once, at my own expense, in an effort to confront my fears.

My neighbour is a an ageing Latvian who was captured by the Russians in WW2 and forced to fight for them. He was then captured by the Germans and forced to fight for them. Eventually interred in Belgium by the allies he was brought to Britain at the war's end and again interred in a camp in the leafy dreamscape of Much Hadam. He is so utterly miserable about his experiences that he has remained bitter and angry to this day. His attitude upsets the entire neighbourhood and gives me nightmares as I am forced to recall the horrors of the war everytime I say good morning Eddy.

As a result of this family trauma and Imperial German induced poverty, I was predisposed to become a conspiracy theorist, forced to survive in the dark truthless fringes of society, when I feel sure I too could otherwise have been a millionaire and led a happy, carefree life, counting my money.

It has become clear to me over the years that everything that I have been forced to endure has been somebody else's fault.

From, inherited war psychosis, The Osmonds and dried fruit biscuits, I trace the causes back to Imperial Germany.

Perhaps I should sue someone for this ?

[Long Tooth]

Blackcat,

ignore it, its another blatant holocaust promotional tactic, respond to it with any critique and you are smeared as an anti semite by the pro semites.

After wiping Palastine off the map, land grabbing etc etc etc, will the israelies be compensating the palastinians for the holocaust the israelis are/have/continuing to do to them? no , i thought not.

[gruts]

[karlos]

This is why the holocaust industry has been exaggerated totataly out of proportion to reality. And this will go on, you see those New York solicitors have won massive billion dollar payouts for several different reasons already and the game is to find new twists and variations on a theme.

The problem is with this never ending extortion is that the average German taxpayer is obviously quite angry. And unfortunately every time these lawyers invent a new class action suit it inevitable leads to a backlash against some unfortunate orthodox jew who has nothing to do with these lawsuits. It has even been found that none of this money even goes to survivors or their families - it ends up filling the solicitors boots.

The only solution to this avalanch of litigation is to challange the rhetoric behind it. Or to invite other victims to come forward and lay similar claims, such as the Roma, the Poles,

[gruts]

I think most other victims wouldn't be interested in doing this kind of thing - and if they did, the same kind of double standards would apply.

at the recent EU summit, when the Polish PM responded to the proposed new voting rules (which are based on the population size of each member country), by pointing out how much bigger the Polish population would be now if millions of Polish citizens hadn't been killed by the Germans in WW2, his comments caused an outcry.

He was widely criticised for living in the past and vilified for "dredging up" Poland's horrific WW2 ordeal for political gain.

So why is it acceptable for Jews to keep reminding us over and over again about jewish suffering during WW2, but not acceptable for others?

Like I said - some victims seem to be more equal than others.

[rodin]

[Dogsmilk]

Honestly, Rodin - did you actually read that other thread or what?
The person who wrote the post you quoted clearly has a very poor grasp of the 'official history' they apparently disbelieve. Challenging historical consensus is one thing, failing to make the effort to learn what that history acually is before challenging it is quite another.
1948-1990 indeed. My 1961 edition of the destruction of the european jews quite blatantly does not use the 4 million at Auschwitz figure.

I think I missed this thread the first time round. That court case is pathetic and is, IMO, cynically or self-indulgently pissing on the graves of victims If you really are suffering in that fashion, you need therapeutic intervention, not some pay cheque for some vague 'psychiatric treatment'. The sort of issue covered would be more appropriate for CBT anyway. It is also essentially holding the children of Nazis accountable for their parents. Holding folk accountable for the actions of their father may work for the Klingons, but it has no place in the real world.

[rodin]

[conspiracy analyst]

Countries to this day devasted by German imperialism have not been compensated.

The Holocaust industry serves one and only one purpose. To prop up the Zionist statelet.

Every time there is a cash crisis due to Israels incessant and permanent wars, a new tax is devised. The say its to do with the Holocaust but it has as much relation as I have with being an astronaut. I may believe I am capable of being one, I may believe I am one, but I have nothing to do with space travel, much like compensation for the Holocaust has nothing to do with victims of German fascism.

[Dogsmilk]

Rodin -

Van Pelt reckons Bonn's postwar refusal to recognise Poland's annexation of former German territories made the whole thing a political issue with the 4 million claim being a mater of policy, though I don't know anything about that. For years, it was difficult for researchers to get in and look at the archives. A tentative figure of 2.5 million was suggested by many, but was far from seen as certain.
At any rate:

[John White]