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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Ministers reject 7th July inquiry Reply with quote

Ministers reject 7th July inquiry

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The government has officially confirmed it will not hold a public inquiry into the 7 July London bombings.

Survivors and relatives of those killed have received a letter from government lawyers outlining their position.

The group want an independent review of the way security agencies and others acted in the run-up to the attacks.

They have applied for a judicial review of the government's refusal to launch a full review into the 2005 attacks which killed 56 people and injured about 800.

A Home Office spokesman said: "The home secretary has reiterated her sympathy for the families and survivors of the July 7 attacks.

"The government remains of the opinion that a public inquiry is not necessary.

"We are making no further comment as legal proceedings are ongoing."

'No comfort'

The letter is in response to correspondence received from solicitors acting for the 7 July group, Oury Clark Solicitors.

The group applied at the end of August for a judicial review of the government's continued refusal to launch a full review.

Solicitor James Oury said: "Our clients remain disappointed by this response.

"The government... have refused our clients' request for an independent public inquiry and suggested that our clients should withdraw these proceedings.

"They have also not met our clients' request to engage with them.

"They have given no comfort as to costs and no indication as to when the inquests will take place."

The group says an inquiry is necessary to allow public scrutiny of events and to enable the families of those killed, survivors and other agencies to be involved.

Members of the group argue the government's refusal to hold an inquiry breaches the Human Rights Act because it is failing in its duty to protect life.

The government is against holding such an inquiry saying it would be a drain on resources and tie up key officials and police officers.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One wonders why that is?

Cost or Collusion?

The events of Bloody Sunday occurred in 1972.
A full Public Inquiry occurred in 2000 a full 28 years later.

The full report still hasn't come out and so far it has cost allegedly between £200 to £400 million.

So by analogy a Full Public Inquiry may occur some time around 2032.
Its clear that the powers that be dont want to investigate themselves and clearly cant control all the facets of the whitewash. So they believe in postponing it indefinitely.

When they bumped off De Menezes they said it was correct based on the information available. When multiple versions of the way he was killed were recounted it became clear beyond reasonable doubt that the official story didn't fit.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One wonders why that is?
Cost or Collusion?
The events of Bloody Sunday occurred in 1972.
A full Public Inquiry occurred in 2000 a full 28 years later.
The full report still hasn't come out and so far it has cost allegedly between £200 to £400 million.
So by analogy a Full Public Inquiry may occur some time around 2032.
Its clear that the powers that be dont want to investigate themselves and clearly cant control all the facets of the whitewash. So they believe in postponing it indefinitely.

When they bumped off De Menezes they said it was correct based on the information available. When multiple versions of the way he was killed were recounted it became clear beyond reasonable doubt that the official story didn't fit.


The legal challenge though may end up in the Euro courts.
Where it will be out of Gordon Brown's hands.

Procedures have not been followed. All the 52 dead and the 4 bombers MUST have coroners inquests and autopsies and all of this information gleaned must be made public. Charges of failure to protect and negligence on the part of London Underground for faulty cctv and failure to protect the public.
I looked up the solicitors firm and could not find a case history of their previous actions so i am not overly confident that they are not simply an M15 sponsored firm. but lets hope they are a firm looking to make a name for themselves and doing it for professional reasons. You always find that solicitors who want to get ahead and enjoy challenging the authorities. The family of a person who died cannot be refused an inquest. Diana has been delayed for 10 years but eventually it MUST happen, same rules apply to each of the 52 victims.
This is why i was a little concerned that Rachel North had positioned herself as the leader of the VICTIMS group as well as the SURVIVORS group which obviously has different concerns. When it comes down to the high court of appeal will Rachel persuade the familys to fold or will they take it all the way to the EURO courts?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The legal challenge though may end up in the Euro courts.
Where it will be out of Gordon Brown's hands.

Procedures have not been followed. All the 52 dead and the 4 bombers MUST have coroners inquests and autopsies and all of this information gleaned must be made public. Charges of failure to protect and negligence on the part of London Underground for faulty cctv and failure to protect the public.
I looked up the solicitors firm and could not find a case history of their previous actions so i am not overly confident that they are not simply an M15 sponsored firm. but lets hope they are a firm looking to make a name for themselves and doing it for professional reasons. You always find that solicitors who want to get ahead and enjoy challenging the authorities. The family of a person who died cannot be refused an inquest. Diana has been delayed for 10 years but eventually it MUST happen, same rules apply to each of the 52 victims.
This is why i was a little concerned that Rachel North had positioned herself as the leader of the VICTIMS group as well as the SURVIVORS group which obviously has different concerns. When it comes down to the high court of appeal will Rachel persuade the familys to fold or will they take it all the way to the EURO courts?


So what you are saying is that there has been no inquest for those who died as a result of the London bombings.

Do you know the reason for that?

Inquests as far as I know have to follow due procedure to ascertain the cause of death as I have seen in some tv programme. If no inquests have occurred then the cause of death issue has to kept secret. Why?

a) they didn't die as a result of the bomgings?
b) some aren't dead at all but given new identities?

How can you carry out an autopsy on a body that has disintigrated? Is that the cause for the delay? Expecting the evidence to rot away?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chaos as Town Hall to host July 7 hearings

Council prepares for month-long tour of borough

THE main Town Hall building is to become a makeshift court for the inquests probing the deaths of the victims of the 7/7 bombings, the New Journal has learned.
Organisers are understood to be worried that St Pancras Coroner’s Court in Camley Street, Somers Town, the normal venue for inquests investigating deaths in Camden and other areas of north London, is too small for such a large task.
A former chapel, the courthouse’s creaking public benches can quickly become full during high-profile hearings. Some attendees complain of poor acoustics despite the microphone system in place.
Officially, coroner’s officials are not discussing publicly whether the venue will be switched but well-placed sources have told the New Journal that the technicalities of how the inquests could be staged have already been discussed at a senior level.
The council chambers in Judd Street have emerged as the best possible venue and the only one able to cope with the expected volume of witnesses, police officers, lawyers and journalists that will want to attend the hearings.
The proceedings are likely to be held throughout September, possibly one at a time or concurrently if the evidence is similar in each case, and will mean that regular council business such as licensing and planning meetings will have to be heard elsewhere. Alternative venues for council business are being scouted but could include the Camden Centre ballroom near the main building or community halls on council estates.
One source said: “Everything will have to move for a month. The Town Hall will be used as the court for the inquests”
St Pancras Coroner Dr Andrew Reid is charged with examining the deaths of victims killed in the bomb blasts in an underground tunnel at Russell Square and on a bus in Tavistock Square, Bloomsbury
In total, 52 men and women died in four separate attacks in London on July 7, 2005.
They include printer Ciaran Cassidy, 22, who went to La Swap College in Highgate Road, and Elizabeth Dalpyn, 25, a radiographer at University College Hospital.
Camden Council, which manages the coroner’s court, said: “We’re not confirming arrangements for the inquests until a date is set.”
http://www.thecnj.co.uk/camden/040507/news040507_04.html

However on 5/4/07 Mohammed Shakil, 30, of Beeston, a suburb of Leeds; Sadeer Saleem, 26, of Beeston; and Waheed Ali, 23, who recently lived in London but is formerly from Beeston were charged that between Nov. 1, 2004 and June 29, 2005 they "unlawfully and maliciously conspired" with Mohammed Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer, Jermaine Lindsay and Hasib Hussain as well as "others unknown" to cause explosions on London's transport network "and/or tourist attractions in London of a nature likely to endanger life or cause serious injury."

The dates have since been changed to between Jan. 1, 2004 and July 8, 2005.

It looks like the inquests will be delayed to avoid prejudicing the trial, which could start in March or April 2008.
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Full inquests for the bomb victims are not expected to be heard until next year at the earliest and may never take place. A crown court trial where the jury hears detailed evidence about a crime involving fatalities takes precedence over a coroner's court.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article299672.ece
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These guys have been charged with conspiracy to commit explosions.
Notice they have not been charged with murder. Despite 52 deaths.
It is a very curious omission.

There 21/7 guys were charged with the same offences but they were later aquitted of the conspiracy to commit explosions and convicted of the conspiracy to commit murder.

21/7 guys could not have committed explosions because their bags of flour were proven by expert testimony to be non explosive.

7/7 trials. It may be possible for the accused to demand autopsy and inquest evidence to prove that 52 people are dead and that their plot was the cause of death. Evidence may emerge that military grade explosives of Israeli origin were used in the attacks as was alleged in the Israeli press.
And other lack of evidence such as cctv etc may become apparant. So the choice seems to have been made NOT to charge them with murder rather to charge them with the alternative charge of conspiracy to cause explosions.
We know there were explosions so it can probably be an easy conviction. But it is the tactics that are certainly in question. Many victims families may question why are they not directly charged with murdering their relatives. Murder is a much cleaner word and more acceptable to the victim's families.
Hence the positioning of Rachel North as the unelected leader of the victim's relatives in a position to quosh any dissent from relatives

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although Ministers for now reject a 7/7 Inquiry there is a group which will in the end get one.

In the place of the unnoficial J7 Truth campaign which has asked serious questions we will eventually get the stagemanaged one.



http://www.globalcrisis.org.uk/main/PDF/Inside%20the%20Crevice.pdf


Islamic terrorism like Irish terrorism before it without some type of collusion of the British state is unreal.

Only embedded journalists and politicians sell this line.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stelios wrote:
... Evidence may emerge that military grade explosives of Israeli origin were used in the attacks as was alleged in the Israeli press. ...

Chinese origin, according to this.
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‘London, Tel Aviv blasts connected’

German newspaper: Explosive material used by British terrorist who blew himself up on Tel Aviv beachfront in 2003 very likely the same as that used by terrorists who staged London attacks last week, Mossad tells Brits

By Roee Nahmias and Ronen Bodoni
Published: 07.11.05, 14:35 / Israel News

TEL AVIV – The terror attack in London last week may be tied to a suicide bombing on Tel Aviv’s beachfront in April 2003, German newspaper Bild am Sonntag reported Monday.

According to the paper, Mossad officials informed British security authorities that the explosive material used in the Tel Aviv attack on Mike’s Place pub was apparently also utilized to stage the series of bombings in London on Thursday.

Moreover, the Mossad office in London received advance notice about the attacks, but only six minutes before the first blast, the paper reports. As a result, it was impossible to take any action to prevent the blasts.

“They reached us too late for us to do something about it,” a Mossad source is quoted as saying.

‘Very powerful explosive’

According to the German report, the Mossad relayed an analysis of the explosives used in the Mike’s Place attack to British security officials. Mossad sources are quoted as saying there is “high likelihood” the explosives used in Tel Aviv were the same ones used in London.

However, the story makes it unclear whether the Mossad is involved in any way in the investigation into the London bombings.

After analyzing the explosive material used in the Mike’s Place attack, the Mossad concluded it was produced in China and later smuggled into Britain, the paper reports. The explosives were apparently stashed by terrorists connected to al-Qaeda who were able to evade raids by British security forces.

According to the newspaper, Mossad Chief Meir Dagan said the explosive in question is very powerful, and “much more lethal than plastic explosives and can be smuggled undetected due to its composition.

The Mossad was also able to determine the substance was developed and produced at the Chinese ZDF arms factory, located about 65 kilometers (about 40 miles) from Beijing, the paper reports.

3 people murdered at Mike’s Place

The Mike’s Place attack claimed the lives of three people, Yanai Weiss, 46, Ran Baron, 24, and Caroline Dominique Hess, 29. The bombing was carried out by two terrorists, Asif Mohammed Hanif and Omar Khan Sharif, who were recruited by Hamas in Britain.

The two managed to enter Israel using their British passports.

Hanif blew himself up at the pub, but Sharif failed to detonate his explosive belt and fled the scene. A few weeks later, his body was washed ashore in Tel Aviv.

The terrorists’ relatives were detained in Britain in the wake of the attack on suspicion they knew of the plot and did nothing to prevent the attacks. The relatives’ trial ended in July of last year, with the court ordering a retrial for Sharif’s sister and brother.

Meanwhile, Sharif’s wife was cleared of the charges against her.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3111121,00.html

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes this was a very interesting story published on the very same day of the attacks. I am inclined to agree that TAPT was not the substance, because it is hard to make and very unstable and the orange glow of the blast as reported by survivors is a fingerprint of high grade military explosives.
The connection with Hammas is not proven, Israel has for several years been trying to destroy the democraticly elected Hammas in favour of it's own proxy militias otherwise known as Fatah.
But there is also the question why would they make this claim the very same day.
Much evidence links Mossad to the London bombings, the fact that they have tried to spin the story into a wider anti British Muslim stance is further proof that the only winner in the whole 7/7 affair was Israel.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stelios wrote:
Yes this was a very interesting story published on the very same day of the attacks. ...


On the following Monday.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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stelios wrote:
Yes this was a very interesting story published on the very same day of the attacks. ...


On the following Monday.

Sorry i just saw the 7 bit
According to Victor Ostrovsky the former Mossad agent bus bombings were a regular tactic of theirs.

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