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stateofgrace
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stateofgrace
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blackcat
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On the one video where it is clearly Bin Laden - just after 9/11 - he stated unequivocally that it was NOT him. Since then we have had a number of dodgy so-called Bin Laden statements culminating in the last audio tape where he conveniently mentions the 19 and claims that in fact he did do it. You work it out for yourself.
Why are you here? The Internet is huge and there is nothing for you here. You contribute nothing and have no real interest in debate or in learning any of the truths behind 9/11. Do you seriously believe that you will convince anyone here who have had their lives altered by viewing LC that they should embrace ignorance and go back to sleepwalking? If you had a genuine interest in examining the events of 9/11 you would not take the attitude you do. Anyone who still believes the official version of 9/11 after SERIOUSLY examining the anomalies, omissions and blatant lies surrounding events of that day is either stupid or evil. Like most on this site I have no wish to correspond with such people. Didn't you promise to go away for good a week or so ago? |
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blackcat
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What about this for a quote.
| Quote: | | Salaam allay Quum. This is Bin Laden speaking. I shot JFK. |
Well that's another mystery cleared up. Durrrrrrrr.
(I can put it on audio tape for you if you like) |
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brian
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Just for the hell of it.
Walter Cronkite, a doyen of US broadcasting, on the Larry King show at the time the Bin Laden video appeared pre the 2004 US election.
KING: OK, Walter. What do you make of this? ---
---CRONKITE: What we just heard. So now the question is basically right now, how will this affect the election? And I have a feeling that it could tilt the election a bit. In fact, I'm a little inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, he probably set up bin Laden to this thing.--
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/29/lkl.01.html
When we have insiders such as Cronkite making these kind of observations what are we mere citzens meant to think?
A whole page of articles on the fake Bin Laden below -
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrhmt/mt/mt-search.cgi? |
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stateofgrace
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orestes
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| stateofgrace wrote: | http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Bin_Laden_Tape_Text.html
This is not an old tape this was only released a few days ago and makes specific reference to Moussaoui.
I have learnt my lesson and the reason I presented it was ask for opinion.
You asked me to research and look into the matter, I have and I presented a transcript from an audio tape that was released a few days ago.
I have insulted you, yes, I have been rude yes, but in this particular case I was neither.
I realise there is genuine research from people who genuinely what to know the truth about 9/11 as oppose to people who make outrageous claims.
Here is a reasonable and well presented review of the audio tape from Forbes.
http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/05/24/ap2771120.html |
Regarding the tapes, one of them was declared fake by a swiss company. Irritatingly I don't have the details at my fingertips. The company deals with robotics and the voice capabilities of the same.
Regarding the Moussaoui trial, have you checked out the testimony of his defence's psychiatrist? I think you should. He is clearly a lunatic (Moussaoui, not the doctor).
I also don't know of anyone who doesn't believe that he intended to attack America. In fact, most of the inside job theorists will point you to the fact that the failiure of the FBI to act on warnings about Moussaoui given to them by field agents links into one of the most damaging areas of evidence for complicity. It wasn't just that they refused to investigate and moved the investigator onto an arson case, but the questions about Moussaoui were not passed on to other investigators when they independently raised concerns about terror attacks - the evidence was effectively removed from consideration.
I really can't see how you would believe this tape was evidence. Even if we leave out of play the questions about 9/11, why on earth believe this tape now, 5 years later? Do governments stick to the same stories over years? Why would he? If he did make the tape, why assume it was sincere? If it was faked by someone on his side, why think it is sincere? It is not going to convince anyone for the very good reason that we have evidence to consider from the day itself about the physical facts of the events of the day. Also, isn't it funny to you that he used the phrase 'twentieth hijacker'? Or do you think he isn't sophisticated enough to understand how propaganda works? Its not a conclusive point, but I'd like to see just one bin Laden tape that doesn't say exactly what they would like him to say down to the details. Then I might listen. |
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stateofgrace
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orestes
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Maybe you should start another thread as this was about the bin Laden tapes. Also, you are wrong to reduce the issue to a simple either/or question. Need I say why? There are more possibilities.
The idea that as there were multiple hijackings they didn't know how to respond can not be taken seriously. NORAD are required to notify the NMCC when they suspect an aircraft is in trouble. The NMCC are then required to send up planes to intercept. If they can not find senior officials those under them have the power to authorize the planes to get up.
Now, we are dealing with a situation where a plane is clearly in distress and the guidelines have not been followed. To say that because there had already been hijackings they couldn't act sharply ... The opposite should have been true. 'Get the planes up it could be another one', would surely be the instinct of every controller and military officer.
However, I agree that this course of events alone is enough to reject the Commission as a final statement on the matter. People should have been fired, and yet they weren't.
Also, you seem to accept that when they said the fighters from Langley were scrambled they were lying. Why? Why accept what they said the second time?
Also, the confusion over the time of the crash comes from a seismic event recorded at 10:06. You didn't mention it, I just thought I should. [/quote] |
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| Don't encourage the Troll to start more threds, pls. |
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stateofgrace
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orestes
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| I was interpreting his refusal to deal with my questions about why we should take the bin Laden tape seriously as a sign that he had no arguments and was therefore going to change the topic. If he has no response I want the thread to record that, rather than going on into waffle about flight 93, easily one of the least important parts of the issue. |
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stateofgrace
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| Looks like he has taken his ball and run off home. He is another person who should not have visited this site. Unless you are prepared to witness the evidence and respond sensibly there is no point being here, and stateofgrace clearly did not want to entertain the massive body of evidence pointing to a cover up. |
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flamesong
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| Ally wrote: | | Don't encourage the Troll to start more threds, pls. |
Troll?
Here's how wikipedia defines a troll:
In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion.
| Ally wrote: | | Bullshi*t Alf, just sat here wathcing V 4 Vendetta and it made realise some thing else, ur a poinsous twat, thnk I forgot about themniot that your retur Tell you what tho if you embarked on a revoltng rain |
| Ally wrote: | | makes perfect sense nineeleven. - but wot the * is Flame's empty accusations? bring it on........silly fart |
| Ally wrote: | | Galloway is a turd, I was just emphasising what I thought of wingnut.tv |
Maybe the correct definition of a troll is somebody who disagrees with Ally?
As I have stated elsewhere, to be a genuine truth-seeker you have to accept the truth whatever it might be. You cannot expect the mass-media-fed population to make paradigm shifts in their beliefs if are not prepared to accept that some of what you believe might be wrong.
As much as I am convinced that this was an inside job, I feel that it is important to establish the argument on solid ground. Anything which does not have firm foundations and is verifiable with sound evidence can only lead to schisms. And unfortunately, even trying to maintain objectivity seems to result in targeted insults.
Every polar diagreement cuts a line right through the movement at different angles. Each line fragments us one stage further. Anybody who knows about Venn Diagrams will know what I mean - the more sets there are, the more elements there are, the more fragmented we are.
Any energy expended in attacking those who disagree, no matter how annoying and unpalatable, is wasted. Divide and rule is devised to work that way. Concentrate on what we agree on. |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Looks like he has taken his ball and run off home. He is another person who should not have visited this site. Unless you are prepared to witness the evidence and respond sensibly there is no point being here, and stateofgrace clearly did not want to entertain the massive body of evidence pointing to a cover up. |
Oh, well! Numbers down by one! We don't gain anything by alienation. |
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| Why are his posts withdrawn? Did he do that? |
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blackcat
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| Quote: | | Oh, well! Numbers down by one! We don't gain anything by alienation. |
Numbers are exactly the same. He was NEVER going to bring anything other than the "official" version of 9/11 here and that is something that most of us took years to realize was bunkum. Did he seriously think he was going to persuade someone to accept the official version when most people here are "recovering officialaholics"?? I was never tempted but found his mindset offensive. I get spoonfed the junk he espouses by the mass media - I do not need more of it here. If he was prepared to listen to the multitude of holes in the official version and give a reasonable explanation, maybe some new insight, then it would have been acceptable. There is absolutely no point in anyone who believes the official version coming to a site like this and reitterating the government blarney about 9/11. |
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| orestes wrote: | | Why are his posts withdrawn? Did he do that? |
SoG editted the posts
It seems only SoG can answer the why |
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Ally
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| Flamesong wrote: | | Ally wrote: | | Don't encourage the Troll to start more threds, pls. |
Troll?
Here's how wikipedia defines a troll:
In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion.
| Ally wrote: | | Bullshi*t Alf, just sat here wathcing V 4 Vendetta and it made realise some thing else, ur a poinsous twat, thnk I forgot about themniot that your retur Tell you what tho if you embarked on a revoltng rain |
| Ally wrote: | | makes perfect sense nineeleven. - but wot the * is Flame's empty accusations? bring it on........silly fart |
| Ally wrote: | | Galloway is a turd, I was just emphasising what I thought of wingnut.tv |
Maybe the correct definition of a troll is somebody who disagrees with Ally?. |
Go * yourself Alf. Go get a job instead of trying to wind me up, it will never work. If you want more, bring it on. Try and slander me like you done David Boyle last year and I will react. |
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