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Eric Salter's review of Ace Baker's Chopper 5 study

 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:23 am    Post subject: Eric Salter's review of Ace Baker's Chopper 5 study Reply with quote

Ace Baker's study here:

http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/ABPlaneStudy/Chopper5Velocity2.html

Eric Salter's review here:

http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/Fox5analysis.html
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric Salter

I would take what he has to say with a pinch of salt.....................complete and utter balderdash
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In addition to his own claims, Baker cites a series of no-plane arguments (such as that the plane in the Naudet footage is smaller than a 767) which not only have already been thoroughly debunked (and a long time ago too) but which were debunked with analyses much simpler than the kind he himself attempts in his article. Because of this, one is forced to assume he possesses not only a pathological level of intellectual dishonesty, but also a zealous bias towards the no-plane scenario totally in contradiction to the scholarly tone of his article.


What a familiar phrase that is! Looks like Ace is onto something! As a study, compare the language used in Salter's rebuttal to the original of Baker's piece.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In addition to his own claims, Baker cites a series of no-plane arguments (such as that the plane in the Naudet footage is smaller than a 767) which not only have already been thoroughly debunked (and a long time ago too) but which were debunked with analyses much simpler than the kind he himself attempts in his article. Because of this, one is forced to assume he possesses not only a pathological level of intellectual dishonesty, but also a zealous bias towards the no-plane scenario totally in contradiction to the scholarly tone of his article.


What a familiar phrase that is! Looks like Ace is onto something! As a study, compare the language used in Salter's rebuttal to the original of Baker's piece.


Just looks like another weary cycle in the ongoing game - just because an idiot says that you are talking nonsense, it doesn't mean that you are correct.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a familiar tactic that is! Try to ignore Salter's comprehensive demolition of Baker's study and clutch at straws or call him names. Looks like Eric is onto something....
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my deconstruction of Salter's rebuttal. If there were any doubts in my mind about what I have discovered, they were erased by Salter.

http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/ABPlaneStudy/SalterDeconstruction.html
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

funnily enough, salter had already rebutted your rebuttal long before you posted it here....

http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/Fox5analysis.html#rebuttal2
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone just point me to explanations of the OTHER "nose-out" films, the ones taken from a rooftop or rooftops to the north-east, and showing not only the "nose-out", but also various combinations of birds acting more or less suspiciously.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's been discussed to death in this thread:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=9642

to most of us, there's nothing remarkable about the blob of gunk in question, but apparently....
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it's something that the perps have desperately tried to hide in some videos, while simultaneously being something that they have deliberately tried to highlight in others - and in both cases it's proof that they're all fake....
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meanwhile back in the real world, Eric Salter has updated and combined his responses to Ace Baker's "research" into one article....

Critical Review of Fox 5 Video Fakery Claims
http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/reviewfox5.html

....as well as posting an addendum to explain some of his previous answers to Baker's "rebuttal" in more detail.

http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/Fox5analysis.html#addendum
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gruts wrote:
meanwhile back in the real world, Eric Salter has updated and combined his responses to Ace Baker's "research" into one article....

Critical Review of Fox 5 Video Fakery Claims
http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/reviewfox5.html

....as well as posting an addendum to explain some of his previous answers to Baker's "rebuttal" in more detail.

http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/Fox5analysis.html#addendum


Not wishing to be presumptuous, but what's the odds that the only thing proved in certain circles is Salter's workin' for da perps lol.

But then, aren't we all?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well if you don't agree with killtown & co it proves that you must be a shill or a perp or brainwashed or "controlled"....

I had a quick look over at "the only genuine truth site" and guess what?

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=1376

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow - talk about killing two birds with one stone!

With that perfectly timed link the "research" community proved incontrovertibly that they are both entirely predictable AND beyond satire.

With absolute proof being such a rare commodity for them, that truly is a remarkable achievement.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as killtown's klowns have been spamming the forum with ace baker's chopper 5 study I thought I'd bump this old thread.

ace baker is about as qualified to talk about "tv fakery" as rolf harris and his methodology consists of subjectively interpreting his own error-prone guesswork and irrational thinking.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gruts wrote:
as killtown's klowns have been spamming the forum with ace baker's chopper 5 study I thought I'd bump this old thread.

ace baker is about as qualified to talk about "tv fakery" as rolf harris and his methodology consists of subjectively interpreting his own error-prone guesswork and irrational thinking.


Did you know yet that he's diversifying into other areas now?
No doubt with the same level of expertise.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=11857

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