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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Reminder . . .

Wikipedia lies by ommission . . .

The Red Shield Family, backed all sides during the conflict.

Reminder: no evidence has been offered for this allegation.

Reminder: The Rothschilds seem to have a fascination for the less mentally stable.
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Reminder: The Rothschilds seem to have a fascination for the less mentally stable.


Aint that the truth !

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A Golden Era Ends For A Secretive Dynasty

By Paul Vallely – The Independent 16 April, 2004


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The news that the bankers Rothschild are to withdraw from the gold market, in which they have been a major player for two centuries, has been hailed as the end of an era.

In one sense, of course, it is. This was the company that smuggled gold coins across the English Channel to finance the Duke of Wellington's advance through France to his final triumph at Waterloo over Napoleon (who, it turned out, had also borrowed money from the Rothschilds).


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Secrecy has been a hallmark of the Rothschilds from the outset.


Hence, my friends, the refusal of Wikipedia to acknowledge Rothschild involvement in financing Napoleon. To do so they would have to admit that bankers finance BOTH SIDES in war. WW2 was really between the Soviets and Germany. It was the Soviets that brought Germany down in the end. Long story there...

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=1715&Pictures=Off

Know what I think. Just as in the case with the Napoleonic wars, the elite banking frat created and backed both sides in WW2. I think there are too many similarities between national socialism and international socialism, and that the fact the Ashkenazi contains nazi is no co-incidence.

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http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?p=739354#post739354

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banker doesn't care who he lends money to as long as he gets rich shocker!
Hold the front page!

Btw, it's very simplistic to say ww2 consisted of two sides. Or, considering the immeasurably complex sequence of events leading up to it, that it was 'engineered'.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Banker doesn't care who he lends money to as long as he gets rich shocker!
Hold the front page!

Btw, it's very simplistic to say ww2 consisted of two sides. Or, considering the immeasurably complex sequence of events leading up to it, that it was 'engineered'.


Bankers are Jews and you are right it is not as simplistic as lending to get rich - it is about debt money creation to accumulate despotic power. Nothing less than mastery of the human race.

Always the money masters video is a good place to start

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Of the 31 millionaire British merchant bankers who died between 1809 and 1839, Mr. Ziegler tells us, 24 were Jewish. The Barings were not; as descendants of low-church North German Protestants they were from the first an anomaly in their field. Mr. Ziegler consciously risks being called anti-Semitic merely for making much of this, but clearly he has good historical reason to do so, because in the context the Barings' non-Jewishness was one of the most striking facts about them, and their outspoken rivalry during the 19th century with the Jewish Rothschilds was all but the defining fact about them.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bankers are Jews
?!

This still remains one of the most sensible POVs I've ever encountered. Except that, AFAIK, Hitler being a monorchoid is a myth.

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In the patapsychological model, the normal having vanished, most generalizations, especially about nonmathematical groups, disappear along with it. The monorchoid Mr. Hitler, for instance, could not generalize about "the Jews" within the patapsychological model, because first he would have to find a normal or average Jew, which appears as intracible to demonstration as exhibitting the Ideal Platonic Jew (or the Ideal Platonic Chicken Farm complete with Ideal Platonic Chickenshit.)

As Korzybski the semanticist said, all we can ever find in space-time consists of Jew-1, Jew-2, Jew-3 etc. to Jew-n. (For the nonmathematical, that means a list comprising Abraham, Sarah, Moses, Ruth, Jesus, Woody Allen, Richard Bandler, Felix Mendelsohn, Sigmund Freud, Paulette Goddard, Betty Grable, Noam Chomsky, Bernard Baruch, Paul Newman, the Virgin Mary, Albert Einstein, Lillian Hellman, Baron Rothschild, Ayn Rand, Max Epstein, Emma Goldman, Saul Bellow, etc. etc. etc. to the final enumeration of all Jews alive or dead.) Each of these, on inspection, will have different fingerprints, different brains, different neuro-immunological systems, different eyes, ears, noses etc. different life histories, different conditioning and learning etc. and different personalities, hobbies, passions etc... and none will serve as a norm or Ideal Form for all the others.

To say it otherwise, world Jewish population stood at about 10 million when Hitler formed his generalizations. He could not possibly have known more than at maximum about 500 of them well enough to generalize about them; considering his early prejudices, he probably knew a lot less than that. But taking 500 as a high estimate, we find he generalized about 10 million individual persons on the basis of knowledge limited to around 1/20,000 or 0.00005 % of them.

It seems, then, that Naziism could not have existed, if Hitler knew the difference between norms or averages (internal estimates, subject to error due to incomplete research or personal prejudice) and the phalanx of discrete nonnormal events and things (including persons) that we find in the sensory space-time continuum outside.



http://www.rawilson.com/csicon.shtml

If you are talking about global control, the ability to get humans to ascribe specific (near) universal characteristics to particular social groups has served to facilitate the exercising of power for thousands of years, by rallying people to march to war against the 'other'.

If you removed every Jew from banking, finance, government, media and industry, do you really believe capitalism would turn into some kind of inherently benign system?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't take my word for it.

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Jon Stewart: Many people are free-market capitalists, and they always talk about free-market capitalism, and that is our economic theory. So why do we have a Fed? Is the free market – wouldn’t the market take care of interest rates and all that? Why do we have someone adjusting the rates if we are a free-market society?

Alan Greenspan: You’re raising a very fundamental question. … You didn’t need central bank when we were on the gold standard, which was back in the nineteenth century. And all of the automatic things occurred because people would buy and sell gold, and the market would do what the Fed does now. But: most everybody in the world by the 1930s decided that the gold standard was strangling the economy. And universally this gold standard was abandoned. But: you need somebody to determine –or some mechanism – how much money is out there, because remember, the amount of money relates to the amount of inflation in the economy. … In any event the more money you have, relative to the amount of goods, the more inflation you have, and that’s not good. So:

Stewart: So we’re not a free market then.

Greenspan: No. No.


http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=179014

Outside of car boot sales you seldom get a whiff of free market. Free market capitalism does not exist. What we have is communism/fascism (business owned by state or state owned by business). Owned by the way can mean regulated here. For instance if you set monetary parameters like rates you control everyone. Who said 'give me control over a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws'?

Bernanke Abolishes Corrections and Bank Losses (9/19/07)

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=179530

Here's a good one - from Haaretz no less

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/899363.html

Surely it's not Kosher Konfession time?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I happen to agree genuine free market capitalism does not exist. I don't think it would be very pleasant if it did either.

The haaretz article is fascinating. I think you're jumping the gun with the 'confession' stuff - this assumes your premise Bolshevism was a 'Jewish conspiracy'. Lets not go there again.
It will be interesting to see if it genuinely has any mileage or if he's just some bloke determined to prove an idea. I'd always thought Stalin has turned away from the tactic of encouraging revolution elsewhere favoured by Lenin. One would wonder why Stalin then chose to ally with Hitler in all but name (e.g. sending Hitler fuel, turning state propaganda against Britain and France) - Germany being one country where there was zero chance of a communist revolution at that time. IIRC, nobody at the time anticipated a long war. No-one ever does. Indeed, the Western front was a sideshow compared to the Eastern front. Jeez - Poland's land army was way bigger than ours.
Personally, my layman's conjecture would be that it was more about securing the at that time vulnerable USSR (if Hitler hadn't been such a poor general with an inability to listen to real generals, it's possible he could have taken out the Soviets) and getting to play out some (embarrassing to admit for an 'anti-imperialist' country) imperialist ambitions by getting to invade the other half of Poland, Lithuania, Finland etc.
In fact, if the plucky Fins had held out a bit longer and Britain and France had actually deployed their 'taskforce' to defend Finland, it's perhaps conceivable there may even have been some kind of Nazi/Soviet alliance against the West. In which case, as they say, we'd all be speaking German.

You may be interested in this -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/White-Eagle-Red-Star-Polish-Soviet/dp/07126069 47/ref=pd_bbs_sr_13/026-6843874-7404400?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190390833 &sr=8-13
I haven't read it myself, but have read some of his other stuff and really rate him. He hates the Soviets, which you'll like (mind you, he doesn't think much of Holocaust denial neither). At any rate, as you can see, he seems to think (assuming reviewer accuracy) Poland's resistance to the Soviets in 1919-20 averted a possible Soviet invasion of Germany and perhaps other European countries. I'll leave you to formulate theories as to how an initial Jewish Zionist Communist takeover bid organised by Jewish banks was averted.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dogs. No time to follow up yr lead tonight. Just to quickly mention in passing our friend Skunk has quite a bit on Stalin, including 3 Jewish wives and his real name meaning 'Jew's son'. Last bit hard to believe maybe but checks out on Wikipedia too.

No there is no doubt. Communism was a Jewish affair top to bottom including during WW2 and after, when the USSR had access to UK & US atomic 'secrets' due to the fact that they and ex-Nazis were running the show.

Funny that. International socialists and national socialists working together making WMD. Who'd a thunk it?

Their Masonic branch kept control of NASA. You have to have a big conspiracy to pull of a moon landing hoax.

Internet = BEEEEG problem for the scammers. This stuff is spreading like wildfire, because it makes sense & blows lies away like so much tumble weed. On the net at least truth is growing exponentially.

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Honestly, I know I've said this before, but I seriously recommend ignoring Judicial. By any standard it is an anti-Jewish propaganda site. It'll say anything to make Jews look bad. I mean, it generally opts for a couple of lines of text (no detail) for ach point, sources are rare, and when they do appear they frequently fail to back up what he's trying to say. As a source, it is worthless. As I have said before, the Auschwitz page is so bad it's breathtaking.
This Stalin stuff is yet another example of trying to make facts fit a pre-held belief system. Skunk wants Stalin to be Jewish, so has to find a way of making him Jewish. So his surname apparently meant 'Jew-son'? Ok, the significance of this, if true, is...? If your surname is Smith or Baker, what significance do you think this has for you? Does it mean you're an actual baker or actual smith? What significance do you ascribe to these?:
http://www.jewsonkitchens.co.uk/
http://www.jewson.co.uk/homepage.jsp?_requestid=390262
http://www.jewsonlandscaping.co.uk/Fencing.aspx
Illuminati fronts?
Do you think people with the surname Jewson are, quite literally, allthe 'Sons of Jews', right down the generations?
Stalin was a marxist before he married anyone.
What evidence is there his wives were Jewish? His first died in 1907, so what's the big deal about her? I thought his second wife was from a family with gypsy lineage. What third wife is this? The story he secretly married Rosa Kaganovich?

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The significance of the story was that Stalin had a Jewish wife, useful propaganda for the Nazis who had an interest in merging the Jewish and Bolshevik devils into Mr and Mrs Stalin. The Kaganoviches, father and daughter, were so emphatic in their denials that they perhaps protested too much but it seems this particular story is a myth.
The story is doubly ironic since the Nazis had no need to invent such a character: Stalin was surrounded by Jewesses...Beria's son, reliable on gossip, dubious on politics, recalled that his father gleefully listed Stalin's affairs with Jewesses.
These pretty young Jewesses fluttered around Stalin but they were all of 'dubious origins'. They were more interested in clothes, jokes and affairs than dialectical materialism.


Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar by Simon Sebag Montefiore p.237

Mr Skunk misses a trick regarding Stalin apparently having affairs with Jews. I'm sure he could manage to read all kinds into alleged dalliances with floozies.
And what significance? Say all three ladies were Jewish and Stalin was having affairs with Jews, the significance of this is...?
Basically it has to get Jews round Stalin. Bolshevism=Jews. Stalin=not Jewish. Solution=make him Jewish/surround him with Jews.

If Stalin was such a Judeo-Communist why...

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On 20 November (1949), the Politburo dismantled the Jewish Committee and unleashed an anti-semitic terror, managed by Malenkov and Abakumov.


(Montifore p.520)

after Stalin decided the Jews were becoming "an American fifth column".

...?

The internet is a wonderful thing, but it is also a conduit for bullsh!t. If an idea grows exponentially on the internet, this in no way suggests said idea is therefore true. Plenty of false ideas spread simply because people are too lazy or credulous to properly look into them or want simple narratives for an incredibly complex world. If you base all your learning on the net, you will get a slanted picture. And if you think forum discussion will 'out the truth' you are missing the point that you will only get what the individual posters know. A good friend of mine has been extensively studying Marx for his PHD - he never posts on forums and has no interest in doing so, but when I've mentioned some of the stuff I've seen said about Marxism here, he simply sees it (correctly IMO) as the product of people knowing f*ck-all about Marx. I know f*ck-all about Marx because I've never read capital, but plenty of people (marxists included) think they know all about him based on stuff they've picked up. Assuming there is 'the truth' I think I'm miles off it as I'm painfully aware of how little I know. I've still only just scratched the surface of learning about the Holocaust, let alone the rest of WWII.

The sad thing is, if you look at the Big Brother forum, you will get a sense of scale you may find rather depressing.

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Registered Members: 244686

There are currently 122 member(s) and 590 guest(s) on the forums.


http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums?a=cfrm&s=162603557&f=11400995 08&c=1140099508

And it's not even on TV at the moment!
And there's a bunch of other BB forums!
So much for the net as the forger of truth.
I think we can at least agree that's a pretty f*cking sad state of affairs.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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I don't agree with your dismissal of Judicial-Inc. While it stretches evidence and extrapolates, omits references, and propagandises, it does have a ring of authenticity about the underlying premise. I do not see it being dismantled for being factually incorrect, which, given the 'damage' it must be doing, you would expect. Perhaps TPTB have judged that attacking it will only draw attention? OTOH you may be right - it COULD be an OTT site aimed @ ridiculing criticism of the Zionist agenda. But IMO Rense does a better job of that, with the UFO stories etc.

No, I would say it is a source but one that needs to be always checked. Looks like he was right about the levee's for example

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Dramatube/D8399AD8B5E8436A8D648E7E77633 BEB/special-report.aspx

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On 20 November (1949), the Politburo dismantled the Jewish Committee and unleashed an anti-semitic terror, managed by Malenkov and Abakumov.


sez Montifore!

I don't believe history as it was writ. So much is made up. Hell, I can invent 'sources'. But when even Wikipedia can't cover up the fact that Stalin's real name means 'Jew's son' - well, you have to say that is pretty strong evidence. And the wives also...

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Don't take my one-line quote for granted. You can't get any kind of real information from one line. Read around. Check what sources are used. But I'd bet a year's pay Monty is more reliable and objective than Skunk.
I don't know much about the levees stuff, but I do know a number of people suggested they'd been blown. Except I think skunk was fairly unique in blaming it on the Jews. I assume. I don't even need to look at his website to be 100% confident he thinks Jews are to blame. If he didn't, he wouldn't have put it on his website.

I still don't understand why you think Stalin having (if they had been) Jewish wives is important or why a surname translating as 'Jews son" would mean you were Jewish. If you're that bothered, have you considered perhaps looking into Stalin's family tree?

edit - given certain parties round here have come to believe I'm shilling for Zion or whatever, I thought I'd have a nice wholesome Jewish gentleman for my avatar. There's a night on the town with Henry Makow to be won if you can guess who it is.

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First names Joseph David?

http://www.jugashvili.com/family/index.htm

Quite a few Jacobs in there too. I think you better concede on thsi point Dogs. I mean, we know about the other prime movers in Bolshevism don;t we? Why should Stalin be the black sheep?

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I don't know much about the levees stuff, but I do know a number of people suggested they'd been blown. Except I think skunk was fairly unique in blaming it on the Jews. I assume. I don't even need to look at his website to be 100% confident he thinks Jews are to blame. If he didn't, he wouldn't have put it on his website.


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First names Joseph David?

http://www.jugashvili.com/family/index.htm

Quite a few Jacobs in there too. I think you better concede on thsi point Dogs. I mean, we know about the other prime movers in Bolshevism don;t we? Why should Stalin be the black sheep?


I'd happily concede the point if I understood what I was conceding. The family tree you provide shows Stalin's children not his ancestors - his ancestors would give some indication of his likely Jewishness. Presumably, if his great-grandad was Jewish you'd happily assert Stalin was a Jew. There are exactly tow Jacobs. I don't think being called Joseph, David or Jacob means anything. These aren't unusual names in the East. And I've known tons of Joes and Daves (and a few Jakes) that weren't Jewish. You just need Stalin to be Jewish to fit your worldview. As you happily accept a very tenuous definition of Lenin as Jew to the same end.

Try this - do a telephone directory search for people with the surname 'Jewson'. Ask yourself this - are these people all Jews by virtue of this surname.
I'm no expert on the etymology of Russian surnames, but perhaps also ask yourself if their surnames are perhaps similar to ours - i.e. not a direct description of the individual. I repeat- is a Mr Baker of necessity actually a baker, the child of a baker or related to any actual baker within the last few hundred years?

I am currently using Alexander Berkman was my avatar. He was a Jewish (within your definition) anarchist of Russian descent who hung around with (and copped off with) another Jewish anarchist, Emma Goldman. Berkman spend time in Russia following the revolution and subsequently wrote the Bolshevik myth, joining other anarchists (some of whom were Jewish) in slagging off the Bolsheviks for betraying the revolution with their authoritarian ways. Funny how Jewish revolutionaries didn't all rush to back what was apparently their own project.

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