Why I am quiting.

[David WJ Sherlock]

My beliefs and views are never changing as to the truth of 9/11. I am still a committed 9/11 truther and activist regarding the 9/11 lie. However. I am becoming to realize the is an over whelming element of vanity that is permeating the movement. I am involved with the 9/11 cause, because I firmly believe in the cause. But I am not going to allow myself to become a victim to petty bickering. Although on the most, I find there are some very good characters in this movement. There are many I cannot bear. My motives are to serve 9/11 truth as best as I can. I will not be working at all with the local groups, and will serve the 9/11 cause in my own capacity. I feel I do not have to tolerate the attitudes of certain individuals who are struck with vanity and a single minded attitude. To those I respect. Please accept my apology. But I cannot bear this anymore. I would like to removed from any mailing lists.

[festival of snickers]

what did they say?people from here?

[David WJ Sherlock]

I do not wish to name names Snick. Because there are a lot of wonderful people on here and in the active movement. But there are a few whom are getting me down and have a bad attitude. these people are sneaky and I do not trust them. It is not a paranoind thing. I have just seen their true colours. I had a similar thinng happen before. I voiced my opinion and got caught in a lot of flack or it. A little while later, I was vindicated. and the person was exposed. I do not wish to get caught up in the in-house political wrangling again. I have enough to do, without all the BS on top. I do not possess some kind of inner sight, I just study people and their attitudes towards others. I will still be comming on here. I am just quitting the local groups and will be going out on my own in future. My action is about freedom. Not how I look.

All the best.

[festival of snickers]

is it because they an on an ego trip,just crazy, or evil?

all three?

[David WJ Sherlock]

The Ego thing is a big part of it Snick. I would not call them crazy or evil. There are some good souls in the movement. but also there are some overblown egos. I loath the conceited

[jazds]

sorry to hear that Dave, these types of people can be found in all organisations, it's a shame.

But good to hear you will still be coming on here and playing a part.

[David WJ Sherlock]

Thanx Jazd.

I will still be active in the 9/11 cause. I will just change direction a little. I just thought this movement was above personal ego. But I will still be around. I feel a little frail about it all at the moment. But I am sure I will recover. Bless you all.

[paul wright]

No movement is above personal ego, David. Some people you find obnoxious on the internet,prove cuddly kittens when you meet them in real life, as much as vice versa.
Keep in touch

[peloloco]

Hi David I'm sorry to hear that your ego has been hurt by someone elses. I dont quite understand how and I dont understand what you are quitting. I find the secret is to not be so sensitive. We are all here to learn from each other and sometimes the best lessons are are the ones that challenge us.

You dont need to go anywhere.

Al

[David WJ Sherlock]

[tomcatma]

will you qualify waht you mean by "offensive" and "lie", Dave.
It's effective politicking to make unqualified statements and accusations, but very damaging for moral and group cohesion & solidarity. I invite you to post all correspondence we have had up onto the forum so people can judge for themselves. otherwise this is about only one persons ego- yours.
i am not alone in my complaints about your home movies, so it's not personal. However your response and very public and unquantified accusations at being wounded in terms of your devotion, time and energy is. you have managed to construe to make yourself look like a victim. by claiming victim status you have unwittingly betrayed your own motives, which seem to remain unconscious to you. Surely if it were about vanity I would be more than happy for images of me to remain online.
group solidarity is about trust and you have proved that you are untrust worthy, beligerent and devensive. if your position is going to be non negotiable in future, please do not point a camera at me again.
i for one am not a willing slave to your ego.

[gareth]

I am prepared to print out all email correspondence that has occurred between myself and Dave Sherlock to prove beyond a doubt that his very serious and divisive allegations above are unequivocally false.

I am willing to present this correspondence to anyone who is interested. Perhaps at a london meeting in the near future of Dave's choice?

The sooner we draw a line under this, the better.

[ian neal]

I don't know any of the background to this but in general my experience is that sharing accusation and counter accusation on the web or by email rarely brings reconciliation and usually entrenches positions.

Given the disparate nature of this movement it would be extraordinary if all saw things the same and there were never any tensions between different activists and approaches

My advice in general would be to latch on to and collaborate with people who you have common ground with and ignore those you are not happy working with. Provided we can avoid in-fighting between different groups and initiatives that arise from this approach, then this diversity is our strength and not a weakness.

[rodin]

I thionk we should all have a nice cup of tea. Then get on with the increasingly urgent business of reclaiming our planet.

[karlos]

[marky 54]

i hope you all resolve the problem even though im not sure on the details or the situation, im pretty sure its over nothing if people calm down and look at it again and ask yourself, what does it matter and is it really that important.

ive experianced what it is to forgive and resolve issues and would be living with regrets if i had not, and i often found it is ego and pride that gets in the way of that or taking the first steps, but if you all do resolve the issue and forgive eachother or put differances aside you'll all be stronger as a result.

ego is also apart of why people feel offended in the first place, its much better to take negitives said about yourselves and turn them into positives by taking the critisms on the chin and improving yourself, because without critisms you'll never know what annoys people or what is lacking, so disagrements are a oppertunity to make relationships between people better and stronger regardless of who it is, if only someone takes the first step in resolving it to make it so rather than going seperate ways due to ego and pride preventing persons admitting they were wrong or just breaking the ice on the making up part.

don't give a damn about what people think, and forgive forget and move on, its the only way to be succesful what ever it is you want to acheive that involves teamwork to get there.

ego and pride is what prevents people making up.

[fish5133]

David its a long journey 9/11 truth is on. Jump in the back seat, chill out for a while and let others share the driving. Every one in the movement has different skills and abilities from simply posting leaflets through doors (my particular thing) to copying dvds, helping with finance, organising events, thinking new ways to get the message out etc etc. We have not been put on this planet just to get involved in activism against all the ills in society. Apart from all the ills of society we do have a "wonderful world" and are allowed to enjoy it. Its a matter of priorities.
I enjoy reading some of the posts on the forum and keeping abreast of whats happening but I do find some of the stuff just pointless and wonder if its deliberate to try and distract from the campaign.
Averse from the Bible says "dont cast your pearls before swine". Basically dont waste your wisdom and knowledge on those fools who dont appreciate it.
Take time out, chill out, recharge your batteries, campaign quietly.
Enjoy the break

[scubadiver]

Fish,

that is very sound advice. Campaign and organising talks does get very draining.

The problem is that people aren't open minded and the silence is deafening when it comes to 9/11.

[Bossgator]

It is sad when a fellow warrior feels they need to withdraw in some way because of encounters with people who are of the same efforts. Divisions are never a positive thing.

Infighting and such always seems to rear it's ugly head, in any arena, ours included. With SO much passion and determination, conflict within our ranks is bound to occur. The real trick is in how we deal with it.

Taking a break of sorts to reenergize is a must. The stress level of knowing what is really happening around us takes it's toll. Add to that times when we experience some kind of disagreement between our fellows, and people can get downright pissy!

Emotions will not only continue to run very high, but will actually increase as it all comes to a head. This war we fight is just getting started, so hang in there, grab some shut eye when you can; we'll stand watch while your gone.

[festival of snickers]

i dont know

i think i hate about half or more of the phony 911 "truthseekers"

maybe some are good but many in usa suck

it appears ive been banned form jack blood forum

they all suck there

http://www.jackbloodforum.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=4905fc9d907 7273143a5e5de4a5f685d

[festival of snickers]

[Frazzel]

totally agree with rodin ian and stelios.
none of us are perfect so lets try to forget personal differences and get on with this important and crucial 911 truth campaign.

[xmasdale]

A 17th century Quaker, Isaac Penington wrote in 1667

"Our life is love, and peace, and tenderness; and bearing one with another, and forgiving one another, and not laying accusations one against another; but praying one for another, and helping one another up with a tender hand. "

OK the language is archaic and may sound a bit pious, but it ain't a bad ideal for any community to aspire to.

Please don't try to resolve it in public or by e-mail. Those are guaranteed ways to inflame rows. You gotta talk to each other or avoid each other.

Peace

Noel

[TonyGosling]

This thread by Dave Sherlock seems designed to cause way more trouble than it could ever solve. Sow seeds of divisiveness, doubt and mistrust amongst good people.

One wonders why he didn't just leave quietly if he had the campaign's best interests anywhere on his radar?

[acrobat74]

[karlos]

[ian neal]

Good advice Fish

In response to stellios and Tony here