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Emmanuel Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: What is the documentary that has the most impact? |
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What is your number one favourite documentary that will wake up the ordinary Joe blogg on his computer?
Terrorstorm?
Thanks in advance ladies and gents |
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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The answer is probably whatever 9/11 video you watched first.
For me it was 'Painful Deceptions' by Eric Hufschmidt.
It's not the best documentary but the shock of seeing building 7 collapse and the moment of realisation could not be repeated. |
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Terrorstorm, particularly the second edition covers the whole panorama, in spite of its innacuracies,Painful Deceptions twinned alongside Anthony J Hilder's 9/11 The Greatest Lie EverSold sold the whole story to me _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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Emmanuel Validated Poster
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xmasdale Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: Re: What is the documentary that has the most impact? |
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Emmanuel wrote: | What is your number one favourite documentary that will wake up the ordinary Joe blogg on his computer?
Terrorstorm?
Thanks in advance ladies and gents |
The first I ever saw was Barrie Zwicker's The Great Conspiracy, a series of TV broadcasts from Canada. But that's not what turned me on to the notion that the 9/11 attacks were a scam; it was the White House's hysterical reaction to Michael Meacher's Guardian article of Sept 2003, a real case of "the lady doth protest too much, methinks."
The next I saw was Dave von Kleist's In Plane Site and I found all that stuff about the Pentagon quite unconvincing at first viewing. Then up came the controversy about the flash and the pod. I came to the conclusion that that movie was best avoided on the grounds that strongly held conflicting views on the flash and the pod tend to divide us and divert our attention from much more compelling evidence.
But the real point, IMHO, is that it's different strokes for different folks. I, for example, can't stand Alex Jones. I find him sensationalist, pushy, right-wing, prejudiced, nationalist and inaccurate, while he claims to be knowledgeable on matters that he clearly is not. But some love him.
Anthony J Hilder's 9/11 The Greatest Lie Ever Sold appeals to those who are interested in the shenannigans which secret societies get up to, but many find such allegations far-fetched and from this movie draw the conclusion that 9/11 Truth activists are paranoid fantasists and to be avoided.
Our greatest challenge is to get through to mainstream British opinion. That means we have to be discerning about which movie to show to whom. To hard-nuts who are extremely reluctant to contemplate there being anything wrong with the official conspiracy theory, I would show Press for Truth. If that works in terms of getting them to think that there might possibly be something within what these crazy conspiracy theorists are saying which holds a germ of truth, I would go for some of the newer movies: Loose Change, 911 Mysteries, Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime.
Showing someone the wrong movie (ie one that does not appeal to their way of thinking) can be counterproductive. Press for Truth, as one of the least contoversial documentaries around is, IMO, the least likely to do harm as an initial introduction to the topic.
I counted twelve inaccuracies resulting from sloppy journalism in Alex Jones' Terrorstorm. I wrote about them on this website. I'll try to find them and post a link on this thread. |
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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For me it has to be 9/11 Mysteries Demolitions Part1.
To introduce the whole idea of the NWO I'd probably use America Freedom to fascism.
Terrorstorm is good also, would like to know what you wrote about it Emmanuel? |
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Emmanuel Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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I would agree with you Xmasdale. Its an important point that some of the styles of video are going to really appeal and some would clearly just put people off looking deeper into the subject.
I have sent terrorstorm to some people and I am specualting but I think that maybe Alex Jones' sensationalism could have tainted the message a bit. Ideally I think Terrorstorm could be edited into a 40 min documentary."Just the meat and potatoes" as ole AJ might say.
We live in a very short attention span society, including me.
Loose change is attractive and appealing for its smart visuals and sexy hip hop. I am not very good at rememebring titles, but I do remmeber "in plane site" and its descriptive and logical but the presenter has a robot voice. Is that right?
I will check out "press for truth"
And yes the 9/11 demolitions one was a memorable one for me.
In fact, I can't remmeber the first one I watched myself. But finding out that WTC was demolished was the big realisation.
In email campaigning there needs to be sensible and persuasive reason why someone should give up some time to watch an independent film in the first place. Anyone had experience of wht you should write?
Sorry if this sounds elementary.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: Conclusive Evidence |
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Funny you should ask that! The best video of a lecture by Dr David Ray Griffin (who IMO is one of the best researchers and writers about 9/11) was in a presentation in Copenhagen, Denmark earlier this month. He clinically destroys any remaining believeability of the official version in just seven closely argued points, finally exposing the "They hate our freedoms" story. Griffin gets to the heart of the matter, and ridicules that very idea as having any substantial basis to it. He further exposes the far greater motive on part of the United States in pursuing the agenda of the PNAC (the Project for a New American Century) and goes into considerable detail about its plan. After the collapse of the USSR, he tells us, the US was the only remaining super-power. The PNAC plan is to keep it that way, and to ensure that for the foreseeable future, there will be no competitors, including China, and the European Union playing the game of world domination: Uncle Sam is the name, and Uncle Sam is the game. You can find it at www.whatreallyhappened.com, and then scroll down until you come to (9/11: Should the truth be revealed or concealed? It is a bit way down, but it is there. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: Re: What is the documentary that has the most impact? |
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xmasdale wrote: | Emmanuel wrote: | What is your number one favourite documentary that will wake up the ordinary Joe blogg on his computer?
Terrorstorm?
Thanks in advance ladies and gents |
The first I ever saw was Barrie Zwicker's The Great Conspiracy, a series of TV broadcasts from Canada. But that's not what turned me on to the notion that the 9/11 attacks were a scam; it was the White House's hysterical reaction to Michael Meacher's Guardian article of Sept 2003, a real case of "the lady doth protest too much, methinks." |
Interesting.
What was the reaction?
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Terrorstorm may well cover a lot of ground but is very badly researched.
For example, they argue that 7/7 was carried out by the Blair government to gain them support in the election, when in fact the election had already taken place.
Different documentaries serve different purposes. Different people react in different ways.
Press for Truth - the bestfor creating doubt re: the official story
September 11th Revisited - the best at arguing that bombs were used to bring the towers down
Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime - an excellent expansion on the above _________________ UK-based alternative news site:
http://www.underthecarpet.co.uk
HipHop:
http://www.myspace.com/skepticandjidsames |
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ian neal Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Different documentaries serve different purposes. Different people react in different ways. |
True.
If I had just 3 films to show
They would be Press for Truth (to sow the seeds of doubt), Why we fight (to show that 9/11 is not unique and to place it in historical context) and something like Ludicrous Diversion (to give it a UK angle).
In terms of websites with good videos on them I like
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/
http://www.underthecarpet.co.uk/Films.php |
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: |
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^ underthecarpet has a few dead links, sorry
we'll update them over the next week or so
we really appreciate if anyone can let us know about dead links
likewise if there are any films we've missed out
thanks _________________ UK-based alternative news site:
http://www.underthecarpet.co.uk
HipHop:
http://www.myspace.com/skepticandjidsames |
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn’t use Alex Jones on a British audience. Terrorstorm also contains some glaring errors. It depends how much people know as to what to show them. Fahrenheit 9/11 could spark some interest from certain people. I’d opt for Press for Truth though.
The best on the collapse of the towers is Improbable Collape, stronger factually than 9/11 Mysteries and better voice on the narration.
Saw Zeitgeist recently and that is an eye opening film, not exclusively 9/11, but full of info that would appeal to a wider audience. _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: 911: Ripple Effect |
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I think that "911: Ripple Effect" is great, and we have sent it to all our Cornish MPs, although on or two clearly can't even be bothered to sit down and watch even a bit of it, too busy raking in their vast expenses no doubt. And I have obtained many copies of this DVD which is being handed out now willy nilly. We've added a link to the streaming version of it on our Cornish website.
"911 In Plane Site", another good film for the uninitiated, was my first time I lost my '911 virginity', and shall always remember the realisation which streaked through me like an electric jolt when I saw the unmelted computer monitor at the precipice of the Pentagon damage, particularly considering that the fire was so hot it "vapourised" the plane, yet bodies were sufficiently unburned to be able to take DNA samples. But that computer monitor, well, my 'virginity' was gone in an instant.
And as regards 'pods' and 'flashes', I just can't understand why there seems to be so much controversy over these. I can see that the bottom of the plane which crashed into WTC2 has something underneath, and can see the flashes. I don't know what they are, but they're not 'boxcutters' folks!! |
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: What is the documentary that has the most impact? |
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Skeptic wrote: | xmasdale wrote: |
The first I ever saw was Barrie Zwicker's The Great Conspiracy, a series of TV broadcasts from Canada. But that's not what turned me on to the notion that the 9/11 attacks were a scam; it was the White House's hysterical reaction to Michael Meacher's Guardian article of Sept 2003, a real case of "the lady doth protest too much, methinks." |
Interesting.
What was the reaction?
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I naively expected the reaction to a recent minister in their most closely allied government to be:
"Mr Meacher is wrong because of A, B and C".
Instead of that we got a cheap and feeble attempt at character assassination - the kind of ad hominem attack we have all since become familiar with. Unfortunately I have not kept any record of that White House statement. |
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paul wright Moderator
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The article prompted an angry response from the US Embassy in London, which issued a statement declaring that Meacher’s “assertions that the US government knowingly stood by while terrorists killed some 3,000 innocents in New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia would be monstrous, and monstrously offensive, if they came from someone serious or credible.” |
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/sep2003/meac-s08.shtml _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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1. (by far) Zeitgeist
Even with the misleading JFK quote and its harsh attack on Christian dogma, this is still the most ambitious and pervasive documentary out there. Kick-ass soundtrack.
2. 911 Mysteries
Great coverage of the demolition of the Twin Towers & WTC7.
3. Money as debt
Concise & simple presentation of the source of all today's evils: our corrupt money systems.
What is money & how it is created out of thin air.
Probably the most necessary of all. |
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I didn't take much swaying, the Pentagon Flash and Farenheit 911 were enough combined with my own questions and the Official Story rapidly changing in the early days followed by the almost pre-meditated attacks on 2 countries supposedly in my name, and I'd say it is true most Brits are willing to believe Dr David Kelly was bumped off but the coin just doesn't drop on the larger issues _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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