Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 3889 Location: North Down, N. Ireland
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject:
Oh yeah, I'm sure that Nico means 'those other truthlings' when he talks about brainwashing and mind control, not the dupes who lap up all his 'video mashups' and swallow his evidence-lite pronouncements day after day. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject:
chek wrote:
Newspeak International wrote:
Going by the above comments,it seems like there's nothing worth looking into about the presented fake video evidence then?
Just asking
What 'fake video' would that be then?
Just asking....
My mistake, I thought you had already discounted all the evidence as shown by the video fakery camp. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/glassasylum2
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 3889 Location: North Down, N. Ireland
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject:
Newspeak International wrote:
chek wrote:
Newspeak International wrote:
Going by the above comments,it seems like there's nothing worth looking into about the presented fake video evidence then?
Just asking
What 'fake video' would that be then?
Just asking....
My mistake, I thought you had already discounted all the evidence as shown by the video fakery camp.
?
I haven't seen any evidence of 'fakery' that isn't more readily explained by a poor grasp of imaging techniques.
And that includes Webfairy, BSFred and the usual crop of admired gurus. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
It's the only way.
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject:
Since we're on the video fakery and no plane subects,could I ask you chek what possible reason would there be for those that proffer those theories other than to open up the whole political and media driven campaign for what we know it is,a charade of complicity?
Also I've yet to read any believeable dissemination of the whole NP and VF
theories,and I don't think I'm alone in saying that. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/glassasylum2
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 3889 Location: North Down, N. Ireland
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject:
Newspeak International wrote:
Since we're on the video fakery and no plane subects,could I ask you chek what possible reason would there be for those that proffer those theories other than to open up the whole political and media driven campaign for what we know it is,a charade of complicity?
Politics and the media are the public relations interface of Power with a capital 'P'. Complicit is their middle name, and - despite what the NPT/TVF crowd may believe - this is not news.
They always have been - that's what they are, and what they're there for. It's why they exist.
There is also little doubt that the whole NPT/TVF circus appeals to a certain demographic. It's been well designed to do so.
Newspeak International wrote:
Also I've yet to read any believeable dissemination of the whole NP and VF theories,and I don't think I'm alone in saying that.
Probably not. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
It's the only way.
Going by the above comments,it seems like there's nothing worth looking into about the presented fake video evidence then?
Just asking
What 'fake video' would that be then?
Just asking....
My mistake, I thought you had already discounted all the evidence as shown by the video fakery camp.
when people offer evidence, regardless of what it is i give it a chance.
if i think it is wrong or needs ferther questions i will ask them or give my opinon.
however thats where things breakdown and members of the public(which we all are ) are accused of being shills for asking such questions. if our questions or sceptism cannot be answered in a honest and open way how do you intend to convince the public?
therefore how it is possible to move from not believing it to understanding it, or how do you expect people to see the evidence that is'nt provided for certain claims?
if your a serious NPT'er/ TV fakey believer are you telling us you will actually reply to questions or counter evidence rather than dodge them and avoid giving answers like killtown etc.
if so maybe you can explain why nico not being on prison planet is significant?
there are more people who have not been on prison planet than there is who have.
I want to know from marky 54 and chek,what you think of the no plane theory and video fakery?
thank you for making the question clear.
i don't think of them any differantly to any other theory including CD theory and the offical version. however if somebody is going to make a claim then they must have evidence for it and not avoid information that goes against it.
a lot of the theorys have become no better than the commission report itself inorder to convince people about things that are still uncertain.
i will not ignore evidence that proves or challenges information as being wrong inorder to believe something, i will not be bullied into believing information otherwise im a troll or shill either.
so the theorys themselves are not where the problem is as far as im concerned.
it is the manner of some of the researches who claim things and provide no evidence, who avoid questions and combat them with troll or shill accusations. seeing evidence where there is none. etc etc.
it aint about NPT or TVFAKERY its about every theory and i will do the same with all theorys including the offical one. but i will say in my time debating evidence critics have been more able to answer questions without ignoring or avoiding them than most NPT'ERS.
maybe its because they understand you cannot believe something when you fail to address problems people see with the theory.
Ahh very funny John. Just the sort of reply I would expect from a "Two Inch Planker". _________________ "It's called the American Dream, because you have to be alseep to believe it"
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:20 am Post subject:
marky 54 wrote:
Newspeak International wrote:
I want to know from marky 54 and chek,what you think of the no plane theory and video fakery?
thank you for making the question clear.
i don't think of them any differantly to any other theory including CD theory and the offical version. however if somebody is going to make a claim then they must have evidence for it and not avoid information that goes against it.
a lot of the theorys have become no better than the commission report itself inorder to convince people about things that are still uncertain.
i will not ignore evidence that proves or challenges information as being wrong inorder to believe something, i will not be bullied into believing information otherwise im a troll or shill either.
so the theorys themselves are not where the problem is as far as im concerned.
it is the manner of some of the researches who claim things and provide no evidence, who avoid questions and combat them with troll or shill accusations. seeing evidence where there is none. etc etc.
it aint about NPT or TVFAKERY its about every theory and i will do the same with all theorys including the offical one. but i will say in my time debating evidence critics have been more able to answer questions without ignoring or avoiding them than most NPT'ERS.
maybe its because they understand you cannot believe something when you fail to address problems people see with the theory.
How about some factual basis on why the NP with VF is false,rather than a generalisation on all theories, please marky? _________________ http://www.myspace.com/glassasylum2
I want to know from marky 54 and chek,what you think of the no plane theory and video fakery?
thank you for making the question clear.
i don't think of them any differantly to any other theory including CD theory and the offical version. however if somebody is going to make a claim then they must have evidence for it and not avoid information that goes against it.
a lot of the theorys have become no better than the commission report itself inorder to convince people about things that are still uncertain.
i will not ignore evidence that proves or challenges information as being wrong inorder to believe something, i will not be bullied into believing information otherwise im a troll or shill either.
so the theorys themselves are not where the problem is as far as im concerned.
it is the manner of some of the researches who claim things and provide no evidence, who avoid questions and combat them with troll or shill accusations. seeing evidence where there is none. etc etc.
it aint about NPT or TVFAKERY its about every theory and i will do the same with all theorys including the offical one. but i will say in my time debating evidence critics have been more able to answer questions without ignoring or avoiding them than most NPT'ERS.
maybe its because they understand you cannot believe something when you fail to address problems people see with the theory.
How about some factual basis on why the NP with VF is false,rather than a generalisation on all theories, please marky?
how the hell can you ask me what i think about something, them ask me to provide factual basis to prove what i think about it?
i told you what i think of the theorys, and that is i don't think anything off the theorys they are all the same.
are you saying i'm suppose to believe your theorys simply because you believe them?
for me to believe them i want proof not seeing evidence where there is none.
please be more clear on what factual basis you want, as im confused how asking what someone thinks turns into factual basis at the drop of a hat.
if you wanted evidence that npt/ tv fakerys is wrong then why not just ask that in the first place?
why do i need to prove wrong that which has not been proven?
plane holes in the towers, plane debris in the street, no point linking to them i think we all know they exsist by now and ive only ever seen speculation explaining these two points, never evidence.
now can you provide me with factual evidence on these two point?
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject:
There you’ve gone and done it now Marky, you have actually stated “plane holes in the towers” and “plane debris on the street” as the basis for why you think the NPT and Video fakery is a non-starter.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the plane eyewitnesses also, as another factor in your stance.
For such cynics as yourselves to discount the possibility of planted evidence and shaped charges, along with the scripted tongues of chosen eyewitnesses now, that is what I find utterly incredible.
For the record as you have implied, the Video Fakery and by extension the No-Plane Theories are not “My Baby” as it were, I am merely asking questions of cynics of those theories and why they seem so sure of themselves to aggressively dismiss them. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/glassasylum2
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 3889 Location: North Down, N. Ireland
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject:
Newspeak International wrote:
There you’ve gone and done it now Marky, you have actually stated “plane holes in the towers” and “plane debris on the street” as the basis for why you think the NPT and Video fakery is a non-starter.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the plane eyewitnesses also, as another factor in your stance.
For such cynics as yourselves to discount the possibility of planted evidence and shaped charges, along with the scripted tongues of chosen eyewitnesses now, that is what I find utterly incredible.
For the record as you have implied, the Video Fakery and by extension the No-Plane Theories are not “My Baby” as it were, I am merely asking questions of cynics of those theories and why they seem so sure of themselves to aggressively dismiss them.
You may declare yourself to be 'merely asking questions' but your stance actually says otherwise NI. It's not the strikes that are a theory (other than to someone unable to distinguish between TV events and reality) it's NPT that's the theory that has to make its case.
And a pretty poor job its made of it too in the past six years.
Let's take one example - the plane shaped holes in the Towers, which you blithely and with possibly all the accumulated knowledge of a few misspent evenings down at Blockbuster, ascribe to 'shaped charges'.
Ok, so there's the shaped charges, all strung out across the face of the Towers, and painted silver to camouflage them, awaiting the signal that the hologram is being charged up and is ready to sail.
Where does the opposing force originate to blow the columns inwards? Because if there's nothing to direct the blast into the building from the outside, then the explosives are going to take the line of least resistance and blow out into the atmosphere, nicht war?
Or maybe Whacky Webfairy with her dastardly space beam activated nano-plasmoid electostatic fuel air neutrino haarp bomb (did I get all the technical-sounding drivel correct there?) has the answer.
And apart from Morgan the Accountant and the late Andrew Johnson (both with God knows what agenda) and a sprinkling of technical knowledge lite fantasists, who else buys it?
On the evidence presented so far, people you could sell a bridge to. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
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There you’ve gone and done it now Marky, you have actually stated “plane holes in the towers” and “plane debris on the street” as the basis for why you think the NPT and Video fakery is a non-starter.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the plane eyewitnesses also, as another factor in your stance.
For such cynics as yourselves to discount the possibility of planted evidence and shaped charges, along with the scripted tongues of chosen eyewitnesses now, that is what I find utterly incredible.
For the record as you have implied, the Video Fakery and by extension the No-Plane Theories are not “My Baby” as it were, I am merely asking questions of cynics of those theories and why they seem so sure of themselves to aggressively dismiss them.
and just like ever other NPT'er you have been unable to answer my questions or provided evidence for the things i question, yet expect me to believe it on your say so.
i want evidence, while ever evidence is lacking in certain area i have to consider that the plane holes were caused by planes and the plane debris came from planes that hit the towers.
i have given every NPT'er a chance and oppertunity to provided this information on numerous occasion and not one has done so.
instead all you get is speculation to explain away the biggest problems that get in the way of believing the theory.
do you think we should all presume how things happened when there is no evidence?
i will not exclude planes while ever evidence for planes remains intact.
it has nothing to do with not considering certain scenerios, it just has a lot to do with proving those certain sceneios, if those scenerios cannot be proven then i will not believe them.
so YET AGAIN, i ask for evidence the plane parts were planted and that shape chargers caused the holes in the towers.
if you don't have the evidence then your just guessing the reasons and npt and tv fakery is very much in doubt.
but you know what its like, some people don't like you to mention this, some people don't like you to mention that, well tough i WILL mention it, i WANT TRUTH NO LIES OR SPECULATION!
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