Key Books on 9/11

PaulStott · Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: Key Books on 9/11

Views are welcome on the 9/11 Cultwatch blog on this issue:

http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwatch/2007/09/911-books---com.html

andyb · Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject:

Paul,

Your blog mentions lots of new visitors, why do none leave any comments?

Also, we have a radio show ging out every week in London. Do you, Larry or Heidi fancy coming on for a debate?

PaulStott · Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:09 am Post subject:

Larry O'Hara · Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject:

TmcMistress · Mind Gamer Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 392

Nice to see that that blog, like many so-called 'debunking' sites, focuses only on the stupidest of theories. Way to go, fellas! Stroke that ego without actually saying anything, a feat usually reserved for... well, pretty much the entire internet.

PaulStott · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:20 am Post subject:

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andyb · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:22 am Post subject:

I don't really care what Shayler said to Larry, he has nothing to do with me or We Are Change Radio. I am offering you a platform to let listeners know why we shouldn't question the events of 9/11 and to do so would insunate cultish behaviour.

I'm not surprised Heidi's comments were unprintable. She didn't seem to have too good a grasp on the topic when she appeared on the Mark Thomas forum and I think Larry or yourself may at least provide a better debate .

You know where how to get hold of me, when you fancy the debate.

cheers
andy

PS listen to our first show here

www.wearechange.org.uk

TmcMistress · Mind Gamer Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 392

Larry O'Hara · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:51 am Post subject:

Larry O'Hara · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:58 am Post subject:

ian neal · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:26 am Post subject:

That's a bit rich Larry since your cultwatch site is full of inaccuracies and misrepresentations.

To give just one example (but believe me I could quote many more) you claim

Dogsmilk · Mighty Poster Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1616

Larry O'Hara · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject:

As for misrepresentations, the above two posts do just fine--accusing us of being 'stalkers', denying we are researching 9/11 etc. I will deal with the 'arguments' you cultists put up in a time and manner of my choosing. Not yours, you sad losers.

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ian neal · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject:

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Larry O'Hara · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject:

This thread, and the vitriolic abuse on it, reminds me just why I don't sully myself regularly posting on this forum, so, this will be my last post here on this topic until I am ready to debate--note, I am ready--not when some juvenile insult-hurlers demand that I be

1) It is claimed above Notes From the Borderland magazine is 'photocopied'--that claim alone indicates how non-existent the posters research capabilities are.

2) Careful readers will note the litany of ridiculous claims made about me/NFB/911 cultwatch without the merit of a single quotation or morsel of evidence--characteristic cult behaviour.

3) It is insinuated I am some kind of coward, by use of the (sexist) term 'big girls blouse'. Funny that, when I have done something none of you cultists have dared to do--take on Shayler in open debate. Who are the gutless cowards in this situation? Not me. Indeed, when he/Machon & the 9/11 goon squad invaded the 2005 Anarchist bookfair, I was among those who took them on, despite the threats/violence/verbal abuse from cultists. It was the venom evident at that very meeting that led us to set up 9/11 cult watch in the first place. Evade and lie about this as you might (will/have), those are the facts.

4) Myopic as you cultists are, you have no idea there is a vast (real) world outside your play-pen, much of it covered in Notes From the Borderland magazine--current issue 8 includes stuff on 7/7, Redwatch, recently departed MI5 DG Manningham-Buller and the 'War on Terror', BNP murder plot, update on a scandal involving CCTV & a bombing in London you cultists wouldn't dare touch (the Soho nail-bombing), Hugo Chavez, review of an important book by Nick Griffin's ex-bodyguard Joe Owens, plus a very pithy and accurate summary by the inimitable Heidi Svenson of goings-on in your cult. And more. Proportionately, 9/11 & 7/7 occupies only a very small part of our collective research endeavours, and that will continue to be the case. Sorry to disappoint you cultists, but we fight battles at a time, and on terrain, of our own choosing.

I don't mind at all that you sneer, because it shows that you fear. Far from being intimidated by the ferocious debating skills of dogs breath and company, we are proceeding in our own way, in accordance with our own agenda. You can rest assured of this--by the time I/we have finished researching your pathetic and twisted little cult, you will fervently wish you had never shown your true thuggish colours in 2005. When I debated Shayler, he was treated with the utmost courtesy--that is our way. Yet your crowd not only lies & misrepresents opponents constantly, you hope by such tactics to silence critics--however, as it says on the label 'These Colours Don't Run'. End of.

Now, feel free to issue further smears & lies below. I will choose not to reply--which does not mean they will not be 'noted down and used as evidence against you'. Very Happy

Dogsmilk · Mighty Poster Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1616

You really are the most pompous little poppet aren't you!
Anyone would think you're addressing the UN or something. I find your eternal self importance funnier than any sitcom you'll find on tv these days. I think you're great.
I confess I've never bought NFB - not at that rip off price - I was just going by the crude production values apparent from the website. Here's a tip - you need somone with an actual sense of humour to write your cartoons.
'sexist term' - get a grip. Listen chum, I've dealt with plenty of actual real world sexism and its products - like rape and domestic violence - in my career while you've been playing James Bond or whatever. I've not time to be getting all ansty about some common turn of phrase after reading the boys book of how to be PC.
You had the 'courage to take on Shayler in open debate'? Oooooooh!!!! You never did! How...how...daring! You reckless fool you! Oooh Larry, you're sooooooooo brave!
What? You want a medal or something? What's the big deal about having some debate? It's not difficult. You describe it on your website as "historic" - though I see contemporary historians have sadly passed over that 'epic' confrontation. If it's that good, why not stick it on google video so we can all watch it? Or will you stick with your current strategy of charging as much as you can for whatever you can? All for the good of the revolution, comrade!

Thing is me old china, you run round slagging everyone here off as cultists, then throw your toys out your pram if anyone says a word back. Don't cry love. Sticks and stones and all that

Here's a crazy thought. Why don't you and your minions actually try a dialogue with trutherdom. You rant on about how everyone here is deluded, but become strangely coy when it comes to what you really think. Rather than stomping round saying "Because I don't like Annie and David no-one else is allowed to" why not actually bring ideas to the table? I know you think you're Mr radical elite, but why not actually communicate? Rather than just issue an advertisement. Paul seems like an ok bloke really. It'd be more productive if people like him actually pitched in more with their ideas.
I know - it's silly. Just a thought though.

Use what you like as 'evidence' dear. I'm sure some deranged polemic about how some nasty people on teh interwebs made you all upset will really sort nonsense out. Or do you think - just possibly - you may be engaged in an enormous waste of time? Or do Dave and Annie get on your tits that much your little crusade seems all worthwhile?

As it is 'careful readers' will notice you can't even explain why your previous 'warnings' are apparently linked to David's Messiahdom. Instead it's "they're being all nasty. I'm not playing any more". No-one's got anything to fear from you Lazza cos you're a fukking obscurity and whatever you produce will only be seen by the ten people daft enough to fork out for it. As it is, you're reduced to saying "I'm gonna get youse. You'll see!" Marvellous. You've already undermined any future 'research' by your stated commitment to muckraking. Maybe a job at the news of the world beckons? The tragedy is, we could probably have a good conversation if you'd pull your head out your arse. I'm sure some of your articles are actually pretty good when you're not behaving like a child.

No wonder Stewart Home had such a field day with you. Stop taking yourself so incredibly seriously. Smoke some weed or something. Maybe not as much as David has.

Dogsmilk · Mighty Poster Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1616

Just in conclusion I thought I'd help Larry out by suggesting that when he publishes his grand work of shocking revelations about the truth movement the world is so desperate to hear, he should call it why I was right all along when I argued with some people on the internet: I think this adequatly sums up the significance of the venture.

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PaulStott · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:41 am Post subject:

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PaulStott · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:02 am Post subject:

gruts · Major Poster Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 1050

so what is your insightful, parapolitical take on 9/11 Paul?

on your rather silly "cultwatch" website you make sweeping generalisations about people who are questioning the official story of 9/11, which seem to be based on spite directed at a few individuals that you clearly don't like.

in fact the whole thing looks like a desperate attempt to get some publicity for your magazine.

ian neal · Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject:

As paul explains ....

gruts · Major Poster Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 1050

....which kind of reinforces my opinion that the "cultwatch" nonsense is mainly a way of trying to get some attention for NFTB from an otherwise uninterested public.

it's more than a little paradoxical for a journal of parapolitics to refuse to touch 9/11 with a bargepole while going out of its way to ridicule those who are trying to find out what really happened. especially when the criticisms by NFTB/cultwatch are so wide of the mark and done in such an infantile manner.

and if the rest of NFTB's output is of similar quality then I have to say that they fully deserve to be operating on the outer fringes of obscurity.

PaulStott · Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject:

Alex_V · Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject:

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