The True State of Affairs ?

[Indubitably]

6 years have passed since the tragic events of 9/11. I'd like to make a series of posts on what we know (and what we do not know) about the crime. But first I'd like to ask other members here for their views on the following questions -

1. Since the crimes of 9/11/2001 were committed not by 19 Arabs armed with boxcutters who were being commanded by another Arab from some foreign hideout, but were an orchestrated 'inside job' involving fakery, deception and downright lies, how long will it be before this forum and others like it identify/agree upon the specific individuals and organisations who should be arrested and prosecuted for their complicity in those terrible crimes ? IS the 9/1 truth movement at this distance of years able to tell who WAS responsible ?

2. The remarkable series of film clips (available on sites such as Youtube, Google Video etc.) and brilliantly compiled from the ACTUAL TELEVISED broadcasts of the corporate media on 9/11/2001 entitled 'September Clues' (which has been seen worldwide over several months) shows many plain examples of media fakery and image manipulation by these broadcasters. The 9/11 truth movement is of course obliged to study the actual evidence presented by 'September Clues' whether it contradicts years of false assumption and misinformation ior not. In one case we have video footage on 'September Clues' that was broadcast live on that day from New York showing a huge explosion and fireball at the World Trade Centre but not any sight of any plane colliding with the tower. It's live footage and it was broadcast live from New York, aken from a helicopter and with it being commented on as it happens. Does this forum agree that in the case of that LIVE video film clip (of NO PLANE) such evidence is highly suggestive of NO PLANE being the cause of that huge fireball ?

3. What are the views of this forum on the undeniable evidence of co-ordinated fakery and of wholesale unaccountability by the major media corporations for their own broadcasting plane images as 'live' shots n their broadcasts on 9/11/2001 ? This certainly involving a 17 second delay in televised 'live' transmission, the introduction of fake plane images etc, as is again as proved beyond reasonable doubt to have occurred on the series 'September Clues' ?

Truth is a matter too important to be hihacked.

Thank You

[chek]

Well, if you're looking for brutally frank opinions, mine is that No Planes Theory is a psy-op aimed at the fantasy minded and/or uninformed and/or mentally unstable; the major proponents appear to be a combination to a greater or lesser degree of all three.

Just peruse the websites that specialise in it for any length of time for confirmation of that.

'September Clueless' is an apt retitling.

[spiv]

[jfk]

chek,
as you completely dismiss tv fakery, in relation to the twin towers, (yet, probably, accept it in relation to the bin laden videos, and media scripting, concerning wtc7). i wonder if you have any clues as to what new lines of research should be considered, that will shed light on the twin towers black op.

[jfk]

new bin laden vid sent to 'barry'

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYWqPY-o8Eo

[chek]

[jfk]

[gruts]

is there any point to this thread or is it just more "september clues" spam?

[chek]

[chek]

[John White]

Another day, another sock-puppet

"they" are doing it "for our own good" to "save" us you know

[jfk]

gruts, i believe you failed to answer my question, how do you explain the high temps?
steven jones' sulphur signitures don't prove jack!
because there were other materials in the towers that contain sulphur.

[chek]

[chek]

[Indubitably]

Well, thanks for the answers. It seems very clear that as far as the ACTUAL broadcast material 'live' is concerned (which is the issue here) - i.e. material put out as 'live' on 9/11/2001 by major news corporations is material that has been faked by these same corporate broadcasters. That means, people who infiltrated these lawful broadcasting corporations BEFORE 9/11/2001 WERE complicit in the crimes of 9/11 - doesn't it ? IT MEANS THE CRIMINALS OF 9/11/2001 INCLUDE THESE MEMBERS OF THE CORPORATE MEDIA WHO WERE INVOLVED IN VIDEO FAKERY.

So simple questions are these -

Q1. MEDIA FAKERY AND FAKE WITNESSES WERE DEFINITELY PART OF THE CRIMES OF 9/11 - TRUE OR FALSE ?

Q2. THE MEDIA CORPORATIONS WHOSE BROADCASTS ON THAT DAY INCLUDE SUCH FAKE/FALSE VIDEO MATERIAL SHOULD BE AND ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR FAKE/FALSE VIDEO BROADCASTS AND FOR PUBLISHING WHAT THEY HAVE DONE ABOUT THIS FAKERY - TRUE OR FALSE ?

Q3. MEMBERS OF THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT MUST, AS A MATTER OF SIMPLE JUSTICE, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MEDIA FAKERY WAS INDEED PART OF THE CRIMES OF 9/11. - TRUE OR FALSE ?

'September Clues' presents a case that cannot be avoided. It is an analysis of the actual footage that was broadcast. That is why it is a valid part of the 9/11 truth movement.

Agents of misinformation may disagree. The 9/11 truth movement welcomes truth.

[John White]

[chek]

[telecasterisation]

[Bryan]

[chek]

[jfk]

"indubitably" does well to hold his ground.

LIVE footage, of the second hit, shows NO PLANE.

those who question this:

DO YOU THINK THE RESEARCHERS FAKED IT?
OR DO YOU THINK SOMEONE ELSE FAKED IT?
OR DO YOU THINK THERE WAS NO PLANE?
ARE WE LONG SIGHTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(or short sighted, or blind, or colourblind, or something else)

either way someone faked it, or there was no plane

[chek]

[jfk]

jfk wrote:
LIVE footage, of the second hit, shows NO PLANE.

[chek]

[jfk]

if you wanna talk camera angles:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s_ySSJ_L6Zs

how's about them angles

[chek]

No, I don't do proof by Youtube video.
You had your shot, I watched one of your links and you blew it with the same old nonsense.
No more.

[karlos]

[Indubitably]

What IS 'September Clues' ?

It's a compilation of the ACTUAL visual broadcasts of the corporate media on 9/11/2001. That's what it is.

What is the 'truth movement' ?

Well, the 'truth' movement is an attempt to tell YOU what you can think, and what you can discuss on the events of 9/11/2001.

Notice that the so-called 9/11 'truth' movement has failed to do the following -

1. It has failed completely to question or to put pressure on the corporate media for its multiple examples of faked televised footage on 9/11/2001.

CAN ANY MEMBER HERE TELL US OF ANY REPLY FROM THE MEDIA CORPORATIONS ON THEIR 'PLANE' FOOTAGE ????

2. The media IS accountable for its broadcasts. Right ? OK - why doesn't the '9/11 truth movement' ask these same media corporations to be accountable for the visual images THEY broadcast on that tragic day of 'planes' hitting the WTC ? Images that are held forever worldwide on video tapes ? But the '9/11 truth movement' have NEVER done this. Suspicious, right ?

3. The '9/11 truth movement' have never in 6 years discussed or encouraged discussion of the individual examples of such media 'plane' fakery. In fact, they want you to forget NPT altogether. Its leaders have simply gone round and round in circles with their misinformation and have NEVER examined this fakery evidence in the detail that it deserves.

I THEREFORE CONCLUDE, 6 YEARS AFTER THE TRAGEDY, THAT THE 'TRUTH MOVEMENT' (SO-CALLED) IS AT A CROSSROADS. IT EITHER ACCEPTS CLEAR EVIDENCE OF MEDIA FAKERY AS IS SHOWN FROM ANALYSIS OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTAGE CONTAINED IN 'SEPTEMBER CLUES' AND OTHER SOURCES OR IT IS EXPOSED AS A FRAUD. THE EVIDENCE OF MEDIA FAKERY IS OVERWHELMING.

We owe it to the victims of 9/11 to expose and to show widely how great a part media jesuitry played in those crimes and we must not to be led on exposing them. THAT is the task of the real truth movement. A group of individuals who deal with truth.

You believe real planes struck the WTC on 9/11 ? Great. Study the actual broadcast footage from that day and you will chance your view. As have many thousands of people.

Welcome to the 9/11 truth movement.

End of Lecture

[Indubitably]

What IS 'September Clues' ?

It's a compilation of the ACTUAL visual broadcasts of the corporate media on 9/11/2001. That's what it is.

What is the 'truth movement' ?

Well, the 'truth' movement is an attempt to tell YOU what YOU can think, and what YOU can discuss on the events of 9/11/2001.

Notice that over the past 6 years the so-called 9/11 'truth' movement has failed to do the following -

1. It has failed completely to question or to put pressure on the corporate media for their multiple examples of faked televised footage on 9/11/2001.

CAN ANY MEMBER OF THIS FORUM TELL US OF ANY REPLY FROM THE MEDIA CORPORATIONS ON THEIR LIVE BROADCAST 'PLANE' FOOTAGE ????

2. The corporate media IS accountable for its broadcasts. Right ? OK - why doesn't the '9/11 truth movement' ask these media corporations to be accountable in responding to analysis of these visual images of 'planes' which THEY broadcast on that tragic day ? Images that are held forever worldwide as evidence on countless video tapes worldwide ? But the '9/11 truth movement' have NEVER done this. Nor have they ever suggested it should be done. Suspicious, right ?

3. The '9/11 truth movement' have never in 6 years discussed or encouraged discussion of the many individual examples of such media 'plane' fakery. In fact, its leaders want you to forget NPT (No Planes Theory) altogether. And so they want you to go round and round in circles and the 'movement' have NEVER examined this 'plane' fakery evidence in the detail that it really deserves.

I THEREFORE CONCLUDE, 6 YEARS AFTER THE TRAGEDY, THAT THE 'TRUTH MOVEMENT' (SO-CALLED) IS AT A CROSSROADS. IT EITHER ACCEPTS AND ENCOURAGES DISCUSSION ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OF MEDIA FAKERY AS IS SHOWN FROM ANALYSIS OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTAGE, CONTAINED IN SUCH PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SOURCES AS 'SEPTEMBER CLUES' AND OTHER SOURCES OR IT 'THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT' IS EXPOSED AS A FRAUD AND A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME. THE EVIDENCE OF MEDIA FAKERY IS OVERWHELMING.

We owe it to the victims of 9/11 to expose fakery, to acknowledge that it IS part of the crime, and to show widely how great a part media jesuitry played and still plays. THAT is the real task of the real truth movement. A group of individuals who deal with truth and who expose fraud.

You still believe real planes struck the WTC on 9/11 ? Great. So did I. But study the actual broadcast footage from that day as it was received by millions of television viewers closely and you will change your view. As have many thousands of people.

Welcome to the 9/11 truth movement.

End of Lecture

[chek]