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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:17 pm    Post subject: Why I Resign in Disgust From the 9/11 'Truth' Movement Reply with quote

The 9/11 'Truth Movement' (of which this forum is a classic example) has become nothing more than a campaign of misinformation. It, like others, starts by admitting that the crimes of 9.11.2001 were an 'inside job'. Great. (But 80% of the world's population already believe that).

As years have passed the 'truth movement' has achieved precisely WHAT ????

1. The 'truth movement' want YOU to believe the USA government is responsible for the inside job of 9/11/2001. It WASN'T. IT ISN'T. The truth is (and everyone can see it) a SMALL MINORITY of people with vested interests infliltrated agencies of the US government, the corporate media and other agencies such as the New York Fire service. A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE.

2. Look at the plain facts. A tree is known by its fruits. Over 6 whole years members of the so-called '9/11 truth movement' have NEVER, at any time, demanded answers from broadcaster from its various websites for the fake televised footage of 'planes' that were shown live on that day. They've got no record of writing or lobbying these corporate broadcaster. This despite the fact that there is indisputable evidence NO planes hit the twin towers. None hit the Pentagon. And no plane crashed at Shanksville.

3. I ask any fair minded person to see at least one of the dozens of clips that show fakery. For example, go to the LIVE broacast footage that is found online at 'September Clues'. Part 3. That segment begins with footage that was shot from a helicopter looking straight at the twin towers. It has commentary. It was broadcast LIVE. It focuses on the twin towers at the moment of a great fireball bursting out of the South Tower. There is NO plane seen in this clear, unmistakable footage. The live commentators themselves do NOT speak of any 'plane'. THERE WAS NO PLANE. EXAMINE IT OVER AND OVER. THERE IS NO APPROACH OF ANY PLANE. NO SIGN OF ANY PLANE. CHECK-MATE !!!

4. Since powerful people infiltrated the corporate media and are responsible for broadcasting fake 'plane' videos you must surely agree they are complicit in the crimes of 9/11. It also follows that the criminals wish to divert us from appreciating these are fake planes. They are perfectly happy to have, year after year, a 'truth movement' which never, ever, deals with the huge evidence now available of faked planes. Bogus images that they never actually discuss in detail.

I resign from the 'truth movement'. The video taped evidence from live broadcasts on that day is clear and it forces me to resign. It includes a mass of clear evidence for media manipulation by broadcasters. In one case it even shows the supposed nose of a plane emerging from the other side of the South Tower ! That too, is physically impossible. Yet it was broadcast as evidence of a plane hitting the South Tower repeatedly on 9/11/2001 - by media corporations.

There are dozens of examples of videos of 'planes' being altered or cut or manipulated in other ways which were broadcast on 9/11/2001.

AT WHAT POINT DO YOU, DEAR MEMBER, REALISE THAT THE CORPORATE MEDIA, THE INTERNET, IS BEING CONTROLLED BY AGENTS OF MISINFORMATION ?

By fairly examining actual broadcast footage of 'planes' on that day (which will stand for all time as evidence) you will realise the media corporations WERE infiltrated by liars and criminals who created fakery - men and women who were/are part of that crime/that tragedy and who are lying when they say, six years later, they are really interested in truth. Fake videos, fake witnesses and a fake 'truth' movement.

Of course you must reject the theory of No Planes. The fake 'truth movement' don't want YOU to put pressure on the corporate media. They don't want you to closely study the actual broadcast footage of 'planes' on that day. THAT'S THE TRUTH. And that's why, 6 years later, those interested in truth such as myself resign in disgust from the so-called 'truth movement'.

The challenge was made here today. Examine 'September Clues' Part 3 and tell us whether any plane hit the South Tower. The evidence says NO PLANE hit the South Tower. The truth movement bases its views on such evidence. Truth is dealing fairly, openly with the available evidence. The evidence is clear for all to see.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:33 pm    Post subject: Eight posts and you quit... Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, bye. 'What fellowship has light with darkness ?'
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, bye. 'What fellowship has light with darkness ?'
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Why I Resign in Disgust From the 9/11 'Truth' Movement Reply with quote

Indubitably wrote:
The 9/11 'Truth Movement' (of which this forum is a classic example) has become nothing more than a campaign of misinformation.


... and then loads and loads of similar fact free rhetorical s**t before getting to:

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The challenge was made here today. Examine 'September Clues' Part 3 and tell us whether any plane hit the South Tower. The evidence says NO PLANE hit the South Tower. .


Most definitely not. The evidence shows you can't even determine simple geography or directions. No more, nor less than that.

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The truth movement bases its views on such evidence.


No it does not.
Unbelievably, there is actually much evidence that doesn't involve Youtube at all!
Imagine that!

Indubitably wrote:
Truth is dealing fairly, openly with the available evidence.


Dear God no; truth (or the nearest approximation humanly available) is established by weighing a variety of evidence.

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The evidence is clear for all to see.


That evidence can be overtly misrepresented to the uninformed and misinterpreted (witness September Clueless) by the gullible?
I'd readily agree to that, as it's been shown so many, many times including your own most recent attempt at proving meeja fakery.

I assume that was your best shot too.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Why I Resign in Disgust From the 9/11 'Truth' Movement Reply with quote

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The 9/11 'Truth Movement' (of which this forum is a classic example) has become nothing more than a campaign of misinformation. It, like others, starts by admitting that the crimes of 9.11.2001 were an 'inside job'. Great. (But 80% of the world's population already believe that).


80%??

The majority of the Chinese have never heard of 9/11 let alone have a belief system based upon it being an 'inside job'. Then there is every child under the age of 12 who has never been exposed to any information about it or it being a conspiracy. Not to mention the elderly and those without the internet. Then we move to all the areas of other countries where the inhabitants are 'outside' the loop, Africa, huge parts of central Europe and the east, Australia, South America etc etc.

80% is one huge claim, any supporting evidence?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

80% is a conservative figure.

The entire world (outside of the mass media) does NOT believe 19 Arabic men (some of whom had been issued with US driving licences by a US military base and others living in Florida waiting for their Green Card, with still others still alive and well enough to be interviewed by the BBC and living in North Africa at this time), were armed with little more than box-cutters and hijacked 4 commercial planes and their passengers on 9.11.2001. Nor are any of these supposed hijackers named on any passenger list. Nor were these supposed hijackers able to evade the entire military establishment of the USA while flying round in circles for hours, eventually crashing their planes and themselves in staggering feats of pilot brilliance in to two giant towers, also in to the most heavily defended fortress in the entire world (the Pentagon) without a single plane image of their deed being caught, and also crashing a plane and its passengers in to a hole in the ground in Shanksville.

For, the most crazy thing is this - DRILLS FOR EXACTLY ALL OF THOSE 4 EVENTS WERE OCCURRING ON THAT DAY FOR PRECISELY SUCH SITUATIONS.

No, the 80 per cent figure is a conservative one.


The official report is garbage.

P.S. Can you justify your statement that 'the majority of the Chinese people have never heard of 9/11' ??? I look forward to your reply since I suggest you are very mistaken. Most Chinese homes have a television.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bye

Before you go perhaps you can explain why you and other advocates of TV fakery waited for nearly 5 years before putting your TV fakery theories in the public domain and what has prevented you / TvF advocates from presenting the case to the media. What is it that you want the 'truth movement' to do that you aren't capable of doing for yourself?

Seeing as how you are resigning from the 'truth movement' as typified by this site (which of course you will know all about having just arrived), would you like me to terminate your account for you?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When one hangs around with progressive people you may come to the conclusion that 'everyone knows....' but sadly a lot of people inlcuding well 'educated' people do not question anything about the 911 story.

Sir, you say you 'resign from the movement'. Does this mean you will never mention 911 to anyone again? Are you not going to campaign anymore? A 'movement' is a very broad term. I agree with a lot of what you say but think we need to unite in our diversity. I am sure many people who are 'members' also agree with you.

Thanks for the tip off about the September clues vid. I had not seen it before. Cool I think for campaigning the no planes argument is a more dificult one to persuade on. Wheras building 7, the collapses are more concrete.

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When one hangs around with progressive people you may come to the conclusion that 'everyone knows....' but sadly a lot of people inlcuding well 'educated' people do not question anything about the 911 story.

Sir, you say you 'resign from the movement'. Does this mean you will never mention 911 to anyone again? Are you not going to campaign anymore? A 'movement' is a very broad term. I agree with a lot of what you say but think we need to unite in our diversity. I am sure many people who are 'members' also agree with you.

Thanks for the tip off about the September clues vid. I had not seen it before. Cool I think for campaigning the no planes argument is a more dificult one to persuade on. Wheras building 7, the collapses are more concrete.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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80% is a conservative figure.

The entire world (outside of the mass media) does NOT believe ..............................................SUCH SITUATIONS.

No, the 80 per cent figure is a conservative one.

The official report is garbage.

P.S. Can you justify your statement that 'the majority of the Chinese people have never heard of 9/11' ??? I look forward to your reply since I suggest you are very mistaken. Most Chinese homes have a television.


Simply embellishing your original statement will not make it 'righter'. I asked you how you know that 8 out of every 10 people doubt the official version? You have supplied nothing in the way of evidence, just waffle. You have unquestionably plucked '80%' from the ether with no justification whatsoever. No official poll, no statistics based upon research, nothing.

You wanna try again? Whoops, sorry, I forgot, you've left.

As for your startling statement 'Most Chinese homes have a television.' Can you substantiate that claim? I went to China in 1997 and although I didn't travel extensively, I saw enough to let me know you are completely and utterly mistaken. I would add. knowing that 911 as an event happened is one thing, to believe that Chinese people sit and have access to programmes that cast doubt on the official 911 version is quite daft. We don't even get them here. Perhaps there is the Chinese equivalent of Dylan Avery distributing DVD's?

You really must bone up on the level of poverty that exists in China - you genuinely think they have access to televisions?? I guess they must pay for the electricity by direct debit, or they have an exercise bike hooked up to a generator.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The issue is (perhaps you agree) no longer whether 9/11/2001 was an 'inside job'. Every person who has studied those events in detail has concluded the same. It was an 'inside job'.

The issue is, 'what's to be done with the fact that 9/11 WAS an inside job ?'.

Well, the whole point of 9/11 research is, first, to agree crimes have been committed by these 'insiders' and then (which is the stage we are now at) to identify who committed them. If the video and film evidence shows after public scrutiny that fakery and manipulation of 'plane' images was a factor in duping the public we can say with certainty that accomplices to those crimes of 9/11 worked for/with the corporate media.

Just as we cannot blame the entire government nor can we blame the entire corporate media. These crimes were committed by men and women whose agenda is evil.

The antidote to evil is light where there is now darkness. That's what we are all committed to.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indubitably, you seem to be doing an awful lot of posting / sticking around for someone that was supposedly quitting.

Leave us to our non-truth, o enlightened one! I humbly beg thee to take right the hell off, and do not let the door hit ya where the Lord of your choice split ya!

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Indubitably, you seem to be doing an awful lot of posting / sticking around for someone that was supposedly quitting.

Leave us to our non-truth, o enlightened one! I humbly beg thee to take right the hell off, and do not let the door hit ya where the Lord of your choice split ya!


Well, I quit the 'truth movement' as soon as it became obvious that posts such as yours were all you had to offer.

Instead of agreeing to a public hearing on broadcast 'plane' images you do nothing but act as a scarecrow. Those are the rags you wear. And now people everywhere see them.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Instead of agreeing to a public hearing on broadcast 'plane' images you do nothing but act as a scarecrow. Those are the rags you wear. And now people everywhere see them.


I've always found scarecrows quite unnerving.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Instead of agreeing with me you don't. Now I shall wear this boot on my head.


That is what you meant, yes?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Why I Resign in Disgust From the 9/11 'Truth' Movement Reply with quote

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There are dozens of examples of videos of 'planes' being altered or cut or manipulated in other ways which were broadcast on 9/11/2001.

if this is true - why do you think that the perps went to such great lengths faking dozens of videos of planes hitting the wtc towers but didn't fake a single one of a plane hitting the pentagon?
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You should ask the media perps about that. The most heavily fortified location in the entire world had dozens of cameras. It was supposedly monitoring the 'hijacked plane' many miles from the Pentagon as it headed towards them. But not a single plane image can be found, not even on the security footage.

It's ridiculous.

But it doesn't stop the media corporations telling us there was definitely a 'plane'.

It's another case of media lies.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Why I Resign in Disgust From the 9/11 'Truth' Movement Reply with quote

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Indubitably wrote:
There are dozens of examples of videos of 'planes' being altered or cut or manipulated in other ways which were broadcast on 9/11/2001.

if this is true - why do you think that the perps went to such great lengths faking dozens of videos of planes hitting the wtc towers but didn't fake a single one of a plane hitting the pentagon?


good point.

the other thing that gets me is why would the media would fake clips with planes in to make people think there were planes, but then totally leave out a plane in other clips that NPT'ers use to try and prove NPT.

are they ******* dumb?

"yes bob put a plane in here" "no no no not that one don't put a plane in that shot you idiot"

"but i thought we were faking all plane hits boss?"


of course reality is its all down to compressed video and people passing off angles that were impossible to see a plane as proof there was no plane. the only people taking people for idiots is the NPT'ers.
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Well, the plane huggers have made such a mess of things that they haven't even examined the 'plane' footage !!!!

It has been NPT (No Planes Theory) who have done almost ALL the detailed frame by frame analysis. Just a coincidence, right ?

It is the detailed examination of these 'plane' videos that shows them to be fake. In case after case. Some of them are embarrasingly fake. Once again, it's NPT guys who said this first.

Don't ask why the criminals spread such confusion. The issue is simple. Are there fake broadcasts of planes. That's the issue and it's the issue where plane huggers need to go to school. Instead of just endlessly repeating their claims.

The bottom line. Let's examine the footage fairly, honestly, openly. If we can't do that we are wasting our own time and everyone else's.

I am happy, at last, that we can start this right here.

The winner IS the truth movement. Right ?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Indubitably wrote:
Instead of agreeing to a public hearing on broadcast 'plane' images you do nothing but act as a scarecrow. Those are the rags you wear. And now people everywhere see them.


I've always found scarecrows quite unnerving.



LOLsome!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Why I Resign in Disgust From the 9/11 'Truth' Movement Reply with quote

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Indubitably wrote:
There are dozens of examples of videos of 'planes' being altered or cut or manipulated in other ways which were broadcast on 9/11/2001.

if this is true - why do you think that the perps went to such great lengths faking dozens of videos of planes hitting the wtc towers but didn't fake a single one of a plane hitting the pentagon?


It's a bit like saying: 'If Bush could pull off 9/11, why didn't he plant WMD's in Iraq'. For George Galloway, that's proof 9/11 wasn't an inside job!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, the plane huggers have made such a mess of things that they haven't even examined the 'plane' footage !!!!

It has been NPT (No Planes Theory) who have done almost ALL the detailed frame by frame analysis. Just a coincidence, right ?

It is the detailed examination of these 'plane' videos that shows them to be fake. In case after case. Some of them are embarrasingly fake. Once again, it's NPT guys who said this first.

Don't ask why the criminals spread such confusion. The issue is simple. Are there fake broadcasts of planes. That's the issue and it's the issue where plane huggers need to go to school. Instead of just endlessly repeating their claims.

The bottom line. Let's examine the footage fairly, honestly, openly. If we can't do that we are wasting our own time and everyone else's.

I am happy, at last, that we can start this right here.

The winner IS the truth movement. Right ?


"Don't ask why the criminals spread such confusion."

so i cannot ask why they would fake some clips and not others???

why not?

it reminds of the phrase "lets us never hear outrageous conspiracy theorys, concerning the attacks of september 11th"

you also keep talking about evidence, but thats the problem and the only thing missing inorder to believe it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: Why I Resign in Disgust From the 9/11 'Truth' Movement Reply with quote

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Indubitably wrote:
There are dozens of examples of videos of 'planes' being altered or cut or manipulated in other ways which were broadcast on 9/11/2001.

if this is true - why do you think that the perps went to such great lengths faking dozens of videos of planes hitting the wtc towers but didn't fake a single one of a plane hitting the pentagon?


It's a bit like saying: 'If Bush could pull off 9/11, why didn't he plant WMD's in Iraq'. For George Galloway, that's proof 9/11 wasn't an inside job!

it isn't like saying that at all. "pulling off 9/11" and "planting wmds in iraq" are 2 completely different things.

on the other hand - if the perps decided to sell 9/11 to the world using tv fakery - then it really is rather odd that they would go to the trouble of faking dozens of videos to convince people that planes hit the wtc towers while at the same time not fake any videos of a plane hitting the pentagon. it doesn't make sense.
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Those who faked 'planes' on 9/11 at the WTC and who knowingly oversaw their broacast on television were accomplices to the murder of over 3.000 people. But the crimes of 9/11 are still continuing. They include brainwashing of the 'truth movement', a suspension of scientific rules, the belief in dozens of things which are contrary to science.

Let me give four examples from hundreds -

1. We've all seen video of a 'plane' hitting the South Tower. The 'plane' must have been made of a new wonder material. It supposedly exited the tower and a lot of its wreckage somehow fell on to the roof of WTC 5, having cut through no less than 4 sections of reinforced vertical steel columsn !!! See the FEMA report where plane wreckage has somehow arrived there having survived its amazing journey through the South Tower. With millions of people watching the South Tower the question is - Where can we see photographs/ film footage of a large exit hole in the back of the South Tower ?

2. Why is there NO consistency in the supposed angle of approach for the 'plane' that hit the South Tower ?

3. Look around on the internet or in photolibraries. Where can you find pictures of the South Tower exit hole ?

4. Why do broadcasters blank out the background to many of their 'plane' images ?

Reasonable questions, right ? Time to start thinking, right ? Don't be afraid to do it folks !
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3. Look around on the internet or in photolibraries. Where can you find pictures of the South Tower exit hole ?


I'll pick this up

The South Tower impact was far more "square on" than the later north tower impact: as a result, the engine and landing gear from both wings became enmeshed in the central core, as opposed to the WTC2 impact where the right hand engine and landing gear had a path of less resistance through the void office space and are subsequently seen exiting the corner of WTC2

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not a criticism, just a straightforward question;

Like everyone here, I have watched countless video clips and DVD's of 911. These centre around a fairly limited number of scenarios such as the south tower plane hitting, the resulting explosion, smoke, collapsing towers, etc etc.

However, the one which is most perplexing is the exiting aircraft 'nosecone'. After just a few minutes investigation, even the uninitiated will conclude that this is impossible due to several factors.

The resulting debates in forums such as these revolve around how these videos have been manipulated and broadcast on the day by those working in conjunction with the 'perps'.

The question that I would like answering is;

Did anyone here actually tape the events of the day AS they happened that captured the exiting nosecone??

The clips we see subsequently mean absolutely nothing, ONLY that which was broadcast live (or from broadcast news sources) proves collusion. Anything seen post-event via the internet is worthless.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Those who faked 'planes' on 9/11 at the WTC blah blah etc

third time of asking - if the perps decided to sell 9/11 to the world using tv fakery - then why did they go to the trouble of faking dozens of videos to convince people that planes hit the wtc towers, while at the same time not faking any videos of a plane hitting the pentagon? it doesn't make sense does it?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is not a criticism, just a straightforward question;

Like everyone here, I have watched countless video clips and DVD's of 911. These centre around a fairly limited number of scenarios such as the south tower plane hitting, the resulting explosion, smoke, collapsing towers, etc etc.

However, the one which is most perplexing is the exiting aircraft 'nosecone'. After just a few minutes investigation, even the uninitiated will conclude that this is impossible due to several factors.

The resulting debates in forums such as these revolve around how these videos have been manipulated and broadcast on the day by those working in conjunction with the 'perps'.

The question that I would like answering is;

Did anyone here actually tape the events of the day AS they happened that captured the exiting nosecone??

The clips we see subsequently mean absolutely nothing, ONLY that which was broadcast live (or from broadcast news sources) proves collusion. Anything seen post-event via the internet is worthless.


How many months does it take for you to suss out its not impossible becuase its a nose cone:

Its impossible that it IS a nosecone!

Account for the objects moving at speed away from WTC2 trailing smoke please Tele



could it be?



I'm only asking becuase you do seem very stuck on this one issue, and if we clear this up, then you will understand NPT a lot better as a result

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John White wrote:

How many months does it take for you to suss out its not impossible becuase its a nose cone:

I'm only asking becuase you do seem very stuck on this one issue, and if we clear this up, then you will understand NPT a lot better as a result


Thanks for responding so expansively, however I am a trifle lost if you are agreeing with my basic premise or not? I am not attempting to be evasive but I genuinely cannot grasp your premise.

Are you saying it is the nosecone of the plane as the dimensions are obviously some way off to fit?

Your question as to the bits trailing smoke are I assume engine parts, undercarriage/heavier bits of wreckage/seats/filing cabinets/whatever.

I agree it cannot be a nosecone if that is what you are saying - therefore, my question still stands - does anyone have footage broadcast on the day?

I am 'stuck on this issue' as I have never spoken to anyone who has a tape from the day with the 'nosecone' on it. I do not see a connection to NPT, simply somebody messing about with an editing suite.

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