Tatchell against (Ahmadinejad for) 911 Truth

[conspiracy analyst]

There is an answer to the question Stelios poses. Why Peter Tatchell supports a war against Iran.
His whole history is one of being closely connected to the officer class of Britain. Someone who lectures at Sandhurst and takes pride in being there for military matters cannot but be intertwined with the higher echelons of the British elite. He wont criticise Saudi Arabia in the same manner as Iran as Saudi Arabia has always been merely an oil well for the Texas crowd.
One aint gonna criticise the hand that feeds you now is one?

[ian neal]

[karlos]

Lets read a few quotes from Tatchell himself writing in his column in the New Statesman
http://www.newstatesman.com/200302170013

[Thermate911]

[ian neal]

Thanks for the detailed reply Stellios.

I can certainly understand your concerns

[jazds]

Tatchel need not worry...

[ian neal]

Peter's office via noel asked me to post this.

[karlos]

[ian neal]

My view is that we should take great caution in seeing the world in terms of black and white, polar opposites. This is usually precisely how the PTB wish us to see the world. So much the easier to divide and control us.

So I disagree with simple generalisations like the IRI (Islamic Republic of Iran) good, any opposition Iranian resistence bad (CIA front) or the reverse.

I understand the popular uprising against the Shah that brought the current theocracy to power gives this approach to government (what you call a fledgling democracy) a degree of legitimacy and that IMO Iran is no more a dictatorship than the US or UK.

What history tells us is the powers of darkness will seek to influence and infiltrate all sides of any conflict and play them off against each other. So yes I dare say the CIA are looking to use Alwazi groups to destabalise Iran and provoke unrest and 'balkanisation' (just as they fermented internal unrest with false flag terror back in the 50s and used Kurdish groups in Iraq). But that doesn't mean all resistence is CIA inspired or that there are no human rights abuses in Iran (which I believe there clearly are). My personal take is that all governments of any global significance have their dark, corrupt side in which the CIA / Powers that be have claws embedded deep (US, UK, Russia, Saudi, Pakistan, France, Australia, Israel and on and on) and Iran is no exception

As a campaign I believe our position should be based around what I set out in a recent email that you received

[conspiracy analyst]

You deselected the day before and now came back with this.
Or you couldn't argue your point asked to be deselected and then returned with this nonsense?

More important are real stories about gays in the Whitehouse and the use of rent boys than fake ones like the ones you post.

[jazds]

I've asked to be unsubscribed but no one has unsubscribed me.

Of course these things are more important but I'm fed up of reading on here wild accusations, opinions and assertions with no reference to reality just a personal opinion! How can you draw an opinion if the end result is based on your own bigotry and not facts?

Don't argue with me. I've had enough, there is no point arguing with a brick wall. I will be reading the we are change . org website and infowars and my own freeuk forum and when I see or hear something I'm going to do my own research as i find the time before i draw any opinion on its validity.

[karlos]

[conspiracy analyst]

What I have never heard from any of the alleged opponents to the Wars for the Texan oil gangsters is the boycotting of the USA, sanctions against the USA, the support of the resistance against the USA etc.

Politics is reduced always into pronouncements against states with oil. But not the USA which also has oil.

If a real anti-war movement existed and it does not, it would have campaigned seriously at army recruitment centres, at naval and army bases, at officers training centres and it would have publically breached the topic of 9/11.

Doublespeak or orwellspeak would have died a long time ago. Sadly it has not.

[karlos]

That is a good point.
why isnt the Stop the War telling it's members not to buy and USA or Israeli goods and services?
Actually im a member of STW so i think i will ask them directly.

A boycott of Starbucks, McDonalds, KFC, Ford, IBM, Dell, Burger King, MBNA, Capital One, will do mare to stop the war than a million marches.

[ian neal]

[karlos]

The case for regime change is overwhelming
Who are we to demand a regime change has Peter learnt nothing from Iraq?

A democratic, progressive Iran would pose no threat to anyone.
Iran is already democratic and making progress in reforming

Iran is a dangerous, terroristic, fundamentalist, anti-Semitic dictatorship, which is striving to develop nuclear weapons and which poses a serious threat to international peace and security.
This is a very inflamatory statement. Iran has threatened nobody.

If Iran was no longer a fanatical religious tyranny, the case for war would evaporate.
There is no case for war other than for the people who want to grab Iran's resources. And for fanatics like Tatchell, bush and Sarkozy.


Jihadis and suicide bombers.
Most Jihadis and suicide bombers are from Britain, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. I am not aware of one single one from Iran or of an iranian background.

Please show me in all of peter Tatchell's columns where he has argued against the war? In all his writings he argues FOR war but in a very sneaky way.
I mean who turns up to a Pro Palestine demonstration with ANTI Palestinian banners?
In my opinion this chap is an agent provocateur (sorry if i spelled it wrong)
His recent visit to Russia where he got beaten up must be viewed in the same light. He went exactly at the same time as Miliband and the rest of the Berezovsky employees were kicking up a stink. That cannot be a coincidence he went at that vital time to stir up anti-russian news.
Dont forget he was beaten up at the Palestinian demonstration too.
He writes for the New Statesman which has always been a pretty biased Labour/Zionist publication.

[ian neal]

[TonyGosling]

Inciting hatred against gays could lead to 7 years in prison
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2617655.ece

So we can't satirise Tatchell any more then?

Ho hum!?!

[eogz]

Watch it Tony,

Good job you made those comments before the law came into force!

I mean you have just committed a Hate Crime!

For God's sake man, I might have to report you to the discrimination department for re-programming/re-education/love torture.

[karlos]

looks like Tatchell has been up to his old tricks again
This week he attended a Pro Palestinian rally in central London and managed to disrupt it again and divert attention from the message.
Al Quds pro-Palestinian march and rally in took place in Trafalgar Square in London last Sunday, 7 October 2007. The Al Quds demonstration was supported by the left-wing Respect Party, 1990 Trust, Muslim Association of Britain, Islamic Human Rights Commission, Hizb ut-Tahrir and the Federation of Student Islamic Societies.
The post-march Trafalgar Square rally was addressed by the Respect Party MP, George Galloway, and the former Daily Express journalist, Yvonne Ridley.

The Al Quds protest was in support of justice for the Palestinian people.
However Peter Tatchell's unwelcome and provocative attendance managed to disrupt the event. As most people know Tatchell has long been an anti Muslim and anti Palestinian campaigner who is also a person who wrote and spoke in support of the war in Iraq and has recently been campaigning for an attack to take place in Iran.
I suggest we write to Peter Tatchell to inform him to stay away from any Stop The War and other such events failing that an injunction be served preventing him from attending. I also suggest we write to the Guardian and the New Statesman to get Tatchell removed from his job which he has used to spew his pro war vitriol and anti Muslim rhetoric and anti Palestinian bile.

[ian neal]

This from Peter on the Al Quds demonstration

[karlos]

let me invite people to read the filth on his own website.
http://www.petertatchell.net/

[karlos]

Please do not try and justify what Peter Tatchell is doing by describing it as 'gay rights'
As Ken Livingstone and others who know him have said he is a disturbed individual and rather than giving him the oxygen of publicity we should seek to distance this campaign from him asap.
You really should read his own artciles at www.petertatchell.net and decide for yourselves whether you agree with this person turning up to Pro-Palestinian demonstrations carrying ANTI-Palestinian banners.

No self respecting person especially Muslim can have anything to do with 911 truth if this campaign is giving Tatchell a vehicle for his views.
Tachell is a rabid Islamophobic and an ardent advocate for wars and invasions.
He is also by his own words an advocate for child sex. Look at his website and decide for yourselves. so we need to distance ourselves from this monster or lose more members.

[Justin]

Stelios, you really are well over the top here. I have never met Peter Tatchell, I've never talked to him but what I do know about him is that he condemns breaches of human rights wherever they take place and that's alright by me. And, yes, I have been onto his website and seen the variety of things he comments on.

Methinks you doth protest too much!

[karlos]

maybe you agree with his views?
but i think that as a campaign 911 truth needs to distance itself from somebody who is publically advocating and encouraging child sex
as well as all his Islamophobic stuff

[Justin]

If you are referring to Peter's belief that the Age of Consent for straight and gay people should be reduced to 14, then I'm opposed to that and IMHO it should remain at 16.

As a father myself of an eleven year old girl, I deplore how young people are today being targeted cynically by Big Business to become more sexually attractive and active at a younger and younger age. This applies particularly to girls and it really is desperately sad that childhoods are becoming shorter and shorter. However, that said, I'm not using this one disagreement I have with Peter to condemn him for everything else he's campaigning for.

Stelios, what is it with you religious types who have got religion dominating your lives? You see things in such an unforgiving, black and white way. It really gives me the creeps to see educated people fall for totally contrived belief systems which put you in different boxes and stops you from pursuing the TRUTH about things with an open and loving heart. Sorry, but it sounds to me that your mind is very much controlled and not open.

[blackbear]

I think regrettably if Nick Griffin showed a similar degree of skeptism about the official theory of 9/11 as Peter Tatchell, I know who I would trust more.

I am convinced I could convert more BNP supporters to the truth of 9/11 than the supporters of Peter Tatchell........just a matter of de nile.

Justin, I hope you are educating members of the Green Party to the realities of the new world order whore in their midst.

If the following anti muslim hate site supports Tatchell.......

http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/

no comment comes to mind.

The site is insidious + evil,.......see its links. We are losing the propaganda war.!

[Bryan]

[karlos]

Justin you have me confused.
I believe in God but i am far from being religious.

However as a father of teenagers including a girl of 13 i am very shocked to read the level of support Peter Tatchell has on this site. He is far from being a Gay activist he is far from that because i am not aware of British LGBT organisations called for a lowering of the age of consent.
Firstly Tatchell calls himself QUEER. I would consider that this is an offensive term. In the same way that Paki and Nigger and Dyke are also offensive. I work in an area with several Gays and Lesbians and i socialise with them as well and i can guarantee you i am not in the slightest way homophobic. None of them who i know actually support or endorse anything that Tachell says or does.
Read his articles and come back and tell me you are happy giving your support to this individual. Most Gays and Lesbians i have spoken to about him agree with me.
I guarantee you i have no problem with him being a campaigner for gay rights. But he is also campaigning for PAEDOPHILE rights and that is a completely different thing.
He is also attending Palestinian rallies carrying ANTI Palestinian banners and he also goes to Stop The War rallies with banners and leaflets demanding regime change in Iran.
He famously confronted Tony Blair demanding regime change in Iraq in 2003 probably given Blair the green light that the liberal left would accept his planned invasion if Tatchell was up for it.
Every statement that Tatchell has made is deeply Islamophobic but he also campaigns against Christianity as well.

His 'succesful' campaigns have usually been 'outing' closet gays and naming and shaming them in the News of The World. If you call that Gay rights campaigning then you are on a different planet.
If 911 truth does not distance themselves from Tatchell, who is asking for age of consent to be lowered to include children and is calling for the DECRIMINALISATION OF PAEDOPHILES, then every Christian and Muslim and Jewish person will leave 911 truth and every parent will also leave and so will most Gay and Lesbian members leave too.
We need to distance ourselves from Tatchell having anything to do with 911 or else.

I am still shocked that people are defending him.
Tatchell is a wicked and evil person who should not have anything to do with decent peace campaigners and truthseekers.

[xmasdale]