Ian, are you running a shill site, or do you just not care?

[Killtown]

I'm just curious as to why you let the trolls like John White, check, gruts, and Dogsmilk run hog wild here and attack/slander/smear people.

Are you a perp running a shill site?

Or do you just not care?


Btw, closing/deleting this thread will only make you look more guilty.

[Dogsmilk]

[chek]

Crumbs!
Thanks for the translation DM.
I must admit some of the finer nuances had eluded me.

[my left bollock]

Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression


Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.

Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen.

Wax indignant. This is also known as the "How dare you?" gambit.

Characterize the charges as "rumors" or, better yet, "wild rumors." If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through "rumors." (If they tend to believe the "rumors" it must be because they are simply "paranoid" or "hysterical.")

Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.

Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nutcase," "ranter," "kook," "crackpot," and, of course, "rumor monger." Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the "more reasonable" government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own "skeptics" to shoot down.

Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).

Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.

Dismiss the charges as "old news."

Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance" or "taking the limited hangout route." This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal "mistakes." This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.

Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.

Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster "suicide" note was forged, they would have reported it. They haven't reported it so there is no such evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press who would report the leak.

Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was murdered, who did it and why?

Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.

Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as "bump and run" reporting.

Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the "facts" furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.

Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges "expose" scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.

Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, "What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?" Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.

http://www.dcdave.com/article3/991228.html

[chek]

[John White]

[chek]

Oh and by the way Ian, if this thread catches your attention, you might want to review the almost 400 new sign ups in the past 10 days.

I suspect they may not be entirely innocent truthseekers.

[ian neal]

My inbox may be inundated with bogus applications from * salesmen to register but they are not being approved.

As for current moderation, I haven't decided what to do yet.

I don't want to censor discussion, but there is so much noise resulting from silly name calling that the evidence itself is not being discussed. Perhaps the best course of action is to put all the threads like this one and Killtown is a liar in the dustbin and bring the discussion back to the evidence if that is possible.

[John White]

[Killtown]

[my left bollock]

Ian will you please answer Killtown's question

[Stefan]

Killtowns question is:

Why are people with a different view to me not banned from this site or censored?

Anyone can answer that question:

Freedom of speech.

Grow up.

[chek]

[Killtown]

[TmcMistress]

Killtown, has it occurred to you that

A- You're a misinformed dupe and / or purposely stupid,

B- That it follows from A that people around here have finally tired of your pointless, repetitive bulls**t that you insist on repeating, OVER AND OVER, no matter how many times you are proven oh-so-wrong,

and C - That is why you are met with nothing but well-deserved ridicule and some excellent bits of snarkery?

GO AWAY, you dupe. You make stupid leak out from around the edges of my computer monitor. You make me wish I could invent a machine to punch people through the internet.

[ian neal]

I started typing out a reply but the site went dead for some reason.

I'll post a reply this evening.

Thanks

[Killtown]

Just asking tough questions about this conspiracy site, so no need to lock/delete this thread.

[ian neal]

[John White]

And what has this demonstrated on any of the other times you or one of your acolytes has tried to pull this?

Oh yes, that your a ********** ****

And its run by shills, not ran by shills

Correct tense boy!

THWACK

raps knuckles with cane

[alwun]

Killtown,

I can reassure you that the site is not run by shills. Although 'in danger of becoming overrun' can not be discounted. I call them 'shrills' in private, since this seems to be their debating tone. Your doubts can be understood.

all the best


cheers Al..

[John White]

Ah-ha! Think Shills not say shills...

The mind never ceases to amaze

What it will do to avoid hearing that its just plain wrong

[Killtown]

[John White]

[Killtown]

See how the trolls just lurk at this forum to infest every thread on cue? Why doesn't that admin here do something about it?

[John White]

Ever heard of the Law of Attraction killtown?

What you focus on: you get more of!

Hey! How about answering some of those totally unanswered questions that expose you, Fred and Simon Shack as hopeless Fakers and Fantasy peddlars?

Especially Shack: September Clues!

ROFL ROFL ROFL

[Killtown]

It's to bad the admin here allow the trolls we've complained about for months and months to continue to troll here.

[John White]

Well lets try this

YES THIS SITE IS RUN BY SHILLS

WE ADMIT IT WE ADMIT IT

LA LA LA

FLEE ACROSS THE INTERNET AND SPREAD THIS REVELATION FAR AND WIDE

(IT'S NOT AS IF YOU HAVNT BEEN SAYING IT
FOR MONTHS ANYWAY, AND WHAT
HAVE FACTS AND EVIDENCE GOT TO DO WITH IT?)

SO WHO GIVES A F*CK?

SHILL LAND! SHILL LAND!

LA LA LA

Ok: what now? are you going to go away? Or debate the evidence that NPT is delusional fraud? Becuase thats all there is to do here

Just don't expect kid gloves and respect:

Them days are gone

Your no better than a critic, so thats how you get treated (actually the OCT defenders are a lot better than you: at least they have the excuse of not having woken up yet!)

[Killtown]

When this site has/had trolls and mods, that should tell you something about it's credibility.

[John White]

[John White]

Still waiting....