Plane Wreckage, Plane Parts and No Planes Theory

[Indubitably]

Plane parts and plane wreckage were found at the WTC complex on 9/11/2001.

Precisely what plane parts ? Precisely what plane wreckage ? Seems a fair question after 6 whole years, doesn't it ?

On another forum one of the moderators claimed in writing to know the security guard responsible for driving away one of the alleged plane engines on that day. To where was the wreckage/parts taken ? When was the FEMA photograph taken of plane fuselage parts on the roof of an adjacent WTC building ? Has this issue of plane parts/wreckage been examined yet in detail by the US government ? If not, why not ? The whole subject seems very suspicious to me. Why hide facts on this hugely important issue ?

[chek]

[truthseeker john]

[truthseeker john]

[gruts]

hey indub - have you ever thought about wondering over to critics' corner? bushwacker is really interested in your "evidence" and as you both seem to have too much time on your hands and not a lot to do with it, I'm sure you'd get on famously....

have a nice weekend!

[marky 54]

[my left bollock]

So come on Marky, please tell us all what you believe hit the twin towers?

[marky 54]

[Bushwacker]

[marky 54]

[Indubitably]

FACTS FOR THE HONEST READER

1. The whole story of planes hitting the WTC began with lies. It began with eyewitness reports (these entirely from individuals who, till today, remain completely unaccountable). In the whole history of human affairs it is ACCOUNTABILITY that is most vital. We see none at all in 'planes at the WTC'.

2. With literally dozens of supposed 'eyewitnesses' (and claims that thousands of people saw planes) the UNACCOUNTABILITY of such witnesses remains, today, obvious, indisputable and a factor that any fair minded person must accept is a characteristic of 'plane' eyewitnesses.

3. The story of 'planes' at the WTC was soon translated in to television output. Within minutes of the attack on the North Tower we had broadcasters speaking of a plane having hit the tower. The actual sort of 'plane' varied considerably. (Reports that it was NOT a plane were soon marginalised altogether).

4. Within a few more minutes a 'plane' had become (in the hands of the corporate media) a plane.

5. During the day (and following the second attack, on the South Tower WTC) further eyewitnesses, including other employees of media corporations (all of them also UNACCOUNTABLE till today) added to this frenzy of 'eyewitnesses' with their own testimony of 'planes' this further added by footage purporting to be genuine of a plane hitting the WTC South.

6. By the end of 9/11/2001 'planes' were already hammered in to our consciousness by a stream of videos, and 'eyewitnesses', none of whom had been questioned as to their reliability. Under such circumstances the entire world believed that planes had, indeed, hit the twin towers.

So, to be fair, everyone tended to think what the media corporations said. At least, everyone other than plane engineers, structural engineers and others who knew there were scientific problems.

But by the end of 9/11/2001 another fact had become apparent. Of the various 'live' footage clips NONE of them actually showed a plane hitting the WTC.

6 whole years later, and despite plane parts being found in proximity to the Twin Towers, not a single item of plane wreckage has been studied to confirm or otherwise that this wreckage comes from planes that hit the WTC twin towers.

6 whole years later, not a single 'eyewitness' to plane strikes is today available for scrutiny of their claims.

And also, today, those who believe in planes hitting the WTC have not admitted, even once, that many videos and still photographs from Manhattan on that day were faked, edited, changed etc.

Let us assume that ordinary, honest people are those whose verdict matters.

Let them decide, on the balance of all of the above, whether it is fair and honest to say, to insist, and to believe that commercial airliners hit the twin towers on 9.11.2001.

Those who had studied this footage, this testimony and these still photographs are unanimous in saying that the footage is faked, that the witnesses to planes are publicly unaccountable and that, to date, not a shred of evidence supports the 'plane' theory.

Such is the truth about 'planes' at the WTC as of today. Such truth as has been found has confirmed the dirty, evil, fraudulent nature of so much that postures as the truth.

I sympathise with the post of marky 54. But the challenge is for you to to at least throw away the official lie that 19 Arabs, armed with little more than boxcutters, hijacked 4 airliners on 9/11/2001 (two of whom were not even scheduled to fly that day) and that they somehow managed to fly them. There is a point where the fact of you reading this material forces you to decide what you believe, and what you do not. 6 years is enough time for you to decide whether lies and misinformation is a factor in this area of research.

I think you know that truth is truth. That's all you have to hold on to. It is not in the future. It's already with you.

[chek]

In other words, as far as you're concerned, despite relying mainly on the evidence of crude and false propaganda by the likes of September Clueless and its rubbish ilk, you still willingly believe your misinformed third hand belief trumps all other evidence.

You're just trying to taint the whole case aren't you?

We know what your up to mr. indubitably.

I think I can see the source of dirty, evil and fraudulant, and it's leaking down from the post above.

[marky 54]

i advise honest readers to:

a) ask for evidence of the above claims.

b) do your own research to find out if any of the above NPT etc claims hold water.

[jfk]

[marky 54]

[Indubitably]

Dear JFK,

It was fate, or destiny, or God that decided that you, 6 years after the event, should decide and should want to be sure of who is ACCOUNTABLE to the public on this issue and who is not. Truth IS accountable. That's its nature.

But, as far as 'finding the truth' is concerned, it's already with you. It's not something you hope to arrive at some future day. It's the energy (the useful energy) that NOW allows you to see and to judge, by the nature of the things you study, what is true, and what is a pack of lies.

[chek]

I really detest pompous, holier-than-thou piety.
Especially from those who actively promote falsehoods.

How do other readers feel about that?

[jfk]

[alwun]

hi jfk,

you are not a no-planer, but you are still able to take note of the 'suspect nature' of many of the images of the day.
There comes a point when the suspension of disbelief (which maybe allows us to gloss over any number of contradictions to the official story), is overcome by the acceptance of the photgraphic and video evidence which highlight the absurdities of that story.
There are few better repositories of vivid and interesting images of the event than at http://www.drjudywood.com/

cheers Al..

[jfk]

hi al,
my point is that i am open to npt, however the label is used to put people in one box.

[alwun]

jfk - quite so.

As you say, in one box, but not by all.
Further, after a time, the 'one-boxers' can sometimes be seen to be possessed of a crude and limited class of delivery of their reasonings and rebuttals. And further yet, their constant whingeing, coupled with their confrontational style, bears all the hallmarks of a suspect MO. These are divisive tactics. See how they are all over these threads like a rash.
For a time I did not entertain the notion that large passenger jets did not fly into the wtc towers and disappear without trace. I do now.

cheers Al..

[chek]

[John White]

At the moment, the evidence all points one way:

Planes hit the towers

Whether they were the planes they were claimed to be or not: I don't know: possibly they wernt

But they damn well flew into the b*stards and you have to be detached from reality to think otherwise on the strength of what "evidence" there is to the contrary

Can't see why its in anyway a hard question

[marky 54]

[my left bollock]

What hit the Twin Towers Marky?

[marky 54]

[Indubitably]

So at this time your evidence of planes hitting the Twin Towers consists of precisely what ?

1. Eyewitnesses ?
2. Debris
3. Video and Photographic Evidence.

Right ?

1. The eyewitnesses are not publicly accountable. They're more reclusive than Trappist Monks. Not a great start there, is it ? And these are the guys saying that they have the truth !!!! It's absurd.

2. No report has been made 6 whole years later on the plane debris and wreckage. Not very convincing is it ?

3. The video and photographic evidence (two examples of which were placed here on the forum today) has been examined, frame by frame. In fact, those who pioneered in such frame by frame analysis of the broadcast footage are the very people who say these are fakes and who are now showing what's fake about them. Not very convincing either, is it ?

Add to this that two of the four supposed hijacked flights are now agreed never even to have been scheduled that day !

There is the sum total of 'evidence' for planes.

In contrast, we have, today, from Chopper 5 material, this broadacast live on TV, footage when analysed showing every second frame of the tower's smoke to be rising, with the frames from the same footage in between NOT rising. Care to examine it ? It's conclusive evidence of fakery.

That's all that is being asked here. Please examine it and deliver your own considered verdict.

Thanks a lot.

[chek]